Why you shouldn't buy Fleer cards

Why you shouldn't buy Fleer cards

Post by Ralph Sla » Thu, 12 Oct 1995 04:00:00




Quote:
>I understand your frustration, but the collation of the cards
>will be somewhat random.  It's not completely Fleer's fault that
>you didn't get a whole set.  If you really wanted a set, you should
>have just purchased one.  By opening packs, you get a chance to score
>on an insert card.

I agree with you to a point; if I open a box of cards which contains
396 cards, and the set is made up of 300 cards, I don't expect to get
a full set; I _do_, however, expect to come reasonably close. How
close, you may ask? It depends -- in the above case, I'd probably
expect to be between 25-40 cards short. Anything else would be poor
collation. I certainly would not expect to get more doubles & triples
than I got singles.

In my Fleer situation, there were 396 cards in the box. There were 150
cards in the set. In a perfect world, I would get 2 full sets and have
96 triples to make up a third set.

The world isn't perfect; I recognize that. But when my box of cards
contained exactly 2 cards from #'s 250 to 280 (a span of 30 cards), I
have to wonder what is up. That's certainly not random. In fact, there
was a pattern to the madness; there were 'runs' of cards of which I
had six, then runs of which I had four, etc. In fact, I had no
'singles' at all; I either got NONE of a card, or got 2-6 of that
card.

Quote:
>Some card companies do "intentionally" collate their boxes this way
>so that people have to open multiple boxes.  I've experienced
>this with UpperDeck basketball products.

Card companies have to realize that if they want to charge big bucks
for their product, they have to have better collation. If I bought a
box of Topps hockey 3 years ago (for $15), I wouldn't care as much if
I had to open up 2 or more boxes to make a set. Consequently, if I buy
a box of Topps Finest hockey, and find that every pack has a
corresponding duplicate pack in the box (meaning that I have 2 of
every card that I got, but nowhere near a full set), I'll be pissed,
because I shelled out $90 for the box.

I guess my basic point is that Fleer has gone above and beyond what
people consider 'random collation'. In fact, the outside of the box
does not even say that the cards were RANDOMLY collated; it just says,
in no uncertain terms, that the box contains an ASSORTMENT of cards
which may not make up a full set. I've never seen a card company
warning you on the outside of their box before.

Fleer has pushed up the cost of their product over the past several
years, so now, if they are deliberately spiking their boxes so you get
REALLY BAD collation, I don't think that this is an ethical thing to
do, and I don't think that people should buy their product for that
reason. Their product costs $60 a box; why should they force me to buy
TWO boxes when one should have been plenty?

Ralph

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Why you shouldn't buy Fleer cards

Post by Mark R. Sander » Thu, 12 Oct 1995 04:00:00


It's funny how true Fleer's terrible collation seems to be.  I remember
back to 1984, when I bought a single box of Fleer baseball and didn't
get A SINGLE DUPLICATE!!  I believe it was 15 cards per pack x 36 packs
in the box!  At the time it seemed pretty cool, but now it seems almost
unbelievable!  But then again, I didn't pay $50 for the box.

    Mark

 
 
 

Why you shouldn't buy Fleer cards

Post by JJ » Thu, 12 Oct 1995 04:00:00


Ralph,

If you don't like opening boxes that don't give you complete sets,
why don't you just stop buying wax boxes and buy sets?  Most card
stores carry all the sets you could want.  Sounds like it would
be easier and probably a lot cheaper for you.

Also, why are you complaining that Fleer (or any company) isn't
giving you a complete set in a wax box?  Did they advertise that
they would?  I don't recall it.  

Just some thoughts....

Joe S.

 
 
 

Why you shouldn't buy Fleer cards

Post by Michael A. Willenc » Thu, 12 Oct 1995 04:00:00



Quote:
Chung) writes:

>I understand your frustration, but the collation of the cards
>will be somewhat random.  It's not completely Fleer's fault that
>you didn't get a whole set.  If you really wanted a set, you should
>have just purchased one.  By opening packs, you get a chance to score
>on an insert card.
>Some card companies do "intentionally" collate their boxes this way
>so that people have to open multiple boxes.  I've experienced
>this with UpperDeck basketball products.
>Nowadays, I just buy sets really cheap from dealers and maybe open
>a box just for fun to see what inserts I may get.

I think that you are missing the point.  It is not unreasonable to
expect a set of 150 cards from a box of 450 cards, whether it is
"guaranteed" or not.  In a court of law, you are correct, but no court
can make me continue to buy boxes from companies that give the
collector bad collation.

The bad collation has ripple effects on set prices too....dealers who
opened up 20 boxes of 1991 Upper Deck only to get 2 sets are less
likely to break up Upper Deck boxes, this decreases their utility to
the dealer.  Especially when collectors pass by their boxes for boxes
with better collation.