My LAST PSA Experience = ABSOLUTE DISGUST!

My LAST PSA Experience = ABSOLUTE DISGUST!

Post by Sterb » Sun, 01 Nov 1998 04:00:00



Ok, I am about to go on a massive rant here, so you are all now
fore-warned...

Today, I FINALLY got the last of my 5 submissions that were submitted to
and received by PSA on August 28th.  They were commons...they had the
delays...I got the free submissions...and I'm fine with all that.  What
I'm IRATE about are the grades which I received on the 84 cards I got
back today, ranging from Boggs 83 Donruss RC's, all the way to Duncan 97
Finest RC's.  A little background:

I took every single card I owned that was worth PSA grading to a halogen
lamp and 20x magnifying glass, and picked out the crim of the crim and
submitted them to PSA.  Not a single frickin' one that I submitted had a
dinged corner, surface scratch, or centering worse than 55/45 on the
front (60/40 on the back).  I have always been known to cherry-pick
the cards I buy, so it came as no surprise to me that around 75% of
the cards I looked at were worth submitting.  Anyways, I bought a new box
of 100 premium semi-rigid top loads JUST for PSA (I hate the damned
things) and carefully transferred them from my rigid top loaders into the
Premiums.  I NEVER damaged a card and was very pleased with my package
that was now all set to go.  So now onto this afternoon...

I get home today, and find the huge package on the stairs.  I KNEW this
was gonna make me sweat, but I couldn't resist.  I immediately went to my
room and got to the boxes.  Once all the cards were accessible, I
systematically decided how I'd look at them...from least to most valuable
if granted an illustrious PSA 10.  Anyways, to cut to the chase, I got
ONLY NINE FRICKIN' 10's, around 33% 9's, and the rest 8's.  A TOTAL CROCK
OF SH!T!  I was so pissed that I was literally throwing things.  So after
I calmed down, I took a look at the cards that had gotten 8's.  Nearly
every single card was dinged, and my cards were NOT dinged prior to their
submission.  Basically, what I'm saying is...THEY DINGED MY CARDS!!!  I
REFUSE to accept the grades that were given to my cards, and come hell or
high water, something's gonna be done about this TOTAL FARCE!  What
they're doing is pretty obvious to me:

Let's pretend you're a *** of a college instructor.  You have a class
of 1,000,000 students, and you're implementing the ever popular and often
unfair bell curve.  That means that roughly 2 - 5% of the students are
permitted to receive an "A" in the class, and THAT'S IT!  No if's, and's,
or but's.  Well, that's exactly what PSA is doing.  They've turned this
into a damn bell curve (8:F::10:A), and are only continuing to
contribute to the outrageous gap between PSA 9's and 10's.  I have
personally seen (and owned) 3 PSA 10's that were outright ludicrous.  I
have a PSA 10 Thomas Leaf RC that's no better than 70/30 T/B...I have a
PSA 10 84 Fleer Update Clemens that's got a rough edge...and I had a PSA
10 86 Jordan Fleer RC that had a printer's dot in the blue name plate
and fraying on one of the sides.  I'm tellin' ya, it's pure and utter
bullsh!t, and I'm sure so many people are starting to experience the
same thing, and I'd love to hear your rants.

What am I gonna do?  Well, they're DEFINITELY hearin' from me, for I
spent nearly a grand to receive prompt and honest service, and what
they've actually done is held up my inventory for a month longer than
expected, and have now dinged a ton of my cards and have given the rest
unwarranted 9's, that show absolutely no signs of imperfection, and
should without a doubt, be 10's.  Any suggestions or similar stories?  
I'm gettin' my Word document ready RIGHT NOW!

Ok, I'm done.

Chris Sterbenz
 ==> Sterbz (tm)

Sterbz' Sports Cards:
 ==> http://www.FoundCollection.com/

 
 
 

My LAST PSA Experience = ABSOLUTE DISGUST!

Post by Joe Tocc » Sun, 01 Nov 1998 04:00:00


When you put the cards in the top loaders, did you put them in penny sleeves
first?  Without doing that, they ding quite easily in transit.  Having said
that, I can't agree more about PSA's inconsistency.  Although I've never seen
an 8 I couldn't find a flaw with, I've seen many 9's.  The majority of 10's I
see are flawed.  Did anyone see the PSA 10 Mantle and Pafko at the National?
The mantle has a diamond cut and is discolored.  I saw a PSA 10 Jordan RC
there that was 65/35 with a noticably dinged corner.
Joe
Quote:

> Ok, I am about to go on a massive rant here, so you are all now
> fore-warned...

> Today, I FINALLY got the last of my 5 submissions that were submitted to
> and received by PSA on August 28th.  They were commons...they had the
> delays...I got the free submissions...and I'm fine with all that.  What
> I'm IRATE about are the grades which I received on the 84 cards I got
> back today, ranging from Boggs 83 Donruss RC's, all the way to Duncan 97
> Finest RC's.  A little background:

> I took every single card I owned that was worth PSA grading to a halogen
> lamp and 20x magnifying glass, and picked out the crim of the crim and
> submitted them to PSA.  Not a single frickin' one that I submitted had a
> dinged corner, surface scratch, or centering worse than 55/45 on the
> front (60/40 on the back).  I have always been known to cherry-pick
> the cards I buy, so it came as no surprise to me that around 75% of
> the cards I looked at were worth submitting.  Anyways, I bought a new box
> of 100 premium semi-rigid top loads JUST for PSA (I hate the damned
> things) and carefully transferred them from my rigid top loaders into the
> Premiums.  I NEVER damaged a card and was very pleased with my package
> that was now all set to go.  So now onto this afternoon...

> I get home today, and find the huge package on the stairs.  I KNEW this
> was gonna make me sweat, but I couldn't resist.  I immediately went to my
> room and got to the boxes.  Once all the cards were accessible, I
> systematically decided how I'd look at them...from least to most valuable
> if granted an illustrious PSA 10.  Anyways, to cut to the chase, I got
> ONLY NINE FRICKIN' 10's, around 33% 9's, and the rest 8's.  A TOTAL CROCK
> OF SH!T!  I was so pissed that I was literally throwing things.  So after
> I calmed down, I took a look at the cards that had gotten 8's.  Nearly
> every single card was dinged, and my cards were NOT dinged prior to their
> submission.  Basically, what I'm saying is...THEY DINGED MY CARDS!!!  I
> REFUSE to accept the grades that were given to my cards, and come hell or
> high water, something's gonna be done about this TOTAL FARCE!  What
> they're doing is pretty obvious to me:

> Let's pretend you're a *** of a college instructor.  You have a class
> of 1,000,000 students, and you're implementing the ever popular and often
> unfair bell curve.  That means that roughly 2 - 5% of the students are
> permitted to receive an "A" in the class, and THAT'S IT!  No if's, and's,
> or but's.  Well, that's exactly what PSA is doing.  They've turned this
> into a damn bell curve (8:F::10:A), and are only continuing to
> contribute to the outrageous gap between PSA 9's and 10's.  I have
> personally seen (and owned) 3 PSA 10's that were outright ludicrous.  I
> have a PSA 10 Thomas Leaf RC that's no better than 70/30 T/B...I have a
> PSA 10 84 Fleer Update Clemens that's got a rough edge...and I had a PSA
> 10 86 Jordan Fleer RC that had a printer's dot in the blue name plate
> and fraying on one of the sides.  I'm tellin' ya, it's pure and utter
> bullsh!t, and I'm sure so many people are starting to experience the
> same thing, and I'd love to hear your rants.

> What am I gonna do?  Well, they're DEFINITELY hearin' from me, for I
> spent nearly a grand to receive prompt and honest service, and what
> they've actually done is held up my inventory for a month longer than
> expected, and have now dinged a ton of my cards and have given the rest
> unwarranted 9's, that show absolutely no signs of imperfection, and
> should without a doubt, be 10's.  Any suggestions or similar stories?
> I'm gettin' my Word document ready RIGHT NOW!

> Ok, I'm done.

> Chris Sterbenz
>  ==> Sterbz (tm)

> Sterbz' Sports Cards:
>  ==> http://www.FoundCollection.com/


 
 
 

My LAST PSA Experience = ABSOLUTE DISGUST!

Post by Michael Willen » Sun, 01 Nov 1998 04:00:00


Of course it's a bell curve, the fact is that there is no discernable
difference between an 8 and a 10, it really depends what mood the
grader is in that day.  This just exposes what I've said all along:
Most modern cards are nr. mint- mint.  And PSA graders are not
necessarily best qualified to grade, in fact, most dealers and veteran
collectors are more qualified to grade cards based on experience.  I'm
sure with a little looking, I could find a PSA 8 that is in better
shape than a PSA 10.  Customers should be behooved to buy the card,
not the grade.

Also consider, perhaps PSA 10 is not truly describing cards with no
discernable flaws, but instead cards with major plusses.  For example,
two 1964 Topps cards may have razor sharp corners and no print flaws
under magnification.  But one 1964 Topps has much better color, fuller
luster, just a beautiful card. It will get the better grade. Printing
is not an exact science, nor is storage.  Two cards, sealed in the
same type screwdown, may have a different grade based on what part of
the country it is stored in, for example more humid climates would
have an effect on the luster and print, as the moisture gets into the
porous card stock.  That's why art museums have temperature and
moisture controlled climates, to remove the uncertainties in climate.



Quote:
>Ok, I am about to go on a massive rant here, so you are all now
>fore-warned...

>Today, I FINALLY got the last of my 5 submissions that were submitted to
>and received by PSA on August 28th.  They were commons...they had the
>delays...I got the free submissions...and I'm fine with all that.  What
>I'm IRATE about are the grades which I received on the 84 cards I got
>back today, ranging from Boggs 83 Donruss RC's, all the way to Duncan 97
>Finest RC's.  A little background:

>I took every single card I owned that was worth PSA grading to a halogen
>lamp and 20x magnifying glass, and picked out the crim of the crim and
>submitted them to PSA.  Not a single frickin' one that I submitted had a
>dinged corner, surface scratch, or centering worse than 55/45 on the
>front (60/40 on the back).  I have always been known to cherry-pick
>the cards I buy, so it came as no surprise to me that around 75% of
>the cards I looked at were worth submitting.  Anyways, I bought a new box
>of 100 premium semi-rigid top loads JUST for PSA (I hate the damned
>things) and carefully transferred them from my rigid top loaders into the
>Premiums.  I NEVER damaged a card and was very pleased with my package
>that was now all set to go.  So now onto this afternoon...

>I get home today, and find the huge package on the stairs.  I KNEW this
>was gonna make me sweat, but I couldn't resist.  I immediately went to my
>room and got to the boxes.  Once all the cards were accessible, I
>systematically decided how I'd look at them...from least to most valuable
>if granted an illustrious PSA 10.  Anyways, to cut to the chase, I got
>ONLY NINE FRICKIN' 10's, around 33% 9's, and the rest 8's.  A TOTAL CROCK
>OF SH!T!  I was so pissed that I was literally throwing things.  So after
>I calmed down, I took a look at the cards that had gotten 8's.  Nearly
>every single card was dinged, and my cards were NOT dinged prior to their
>submission.  Basically, what I'm saying is...THEY DINGED MY CARDS!!!  I
>REFUSE to accept the grades that were given to my cards, and come hell or
>high water, something's gonna be done about this TOTAL FARCE!  What
>they're doing is pretty obvious to me:

>Let's pretend you're a *** of a college instructor.  You have a class
>of 1,000,000 students, and you're implementing the ever popular and often
>unfair bell curve.  That means that roughly 2 - 5% of the students are
>permitted to receive an "A" in the class, and THAT'S IT!  No if's, and's,
>or but's.  Well, that's exactly what PSA is doing.  They've turned this
>into a damn bell curve (8:F::10:A), and are only continuing to
>contribute to the outrageous gap between PSA 9's and 10's.  I have
>personally seen (and owned) 3 PSA 10's that were outright ludicrous.  I
>have a PSA 10 Thomas Leaf RC that's no better than 70/30 T/B...I have a
>PSA 10 84 Fleer Update Clemens that's got a rough edge...and I had a PSA
>10 86 Jordan Fleer RC that had a printer's dot in the blue name plate
>and fraying on one of the sides.  I'm tellin' ya, it's pure and utter
>bullsh!t, and I'm sure so many people are starting to experience the
>same thing, and I'd love to hear your rants.

>What am I gonna do?  Well, they're DEFINITELY hearin' from me, for I
>spent nearly a grand to receive prompt and honest service, and what
>they've actually done is held up my inventory for a month longer than
>expected, and have now dinged a ton of my cards and have given the rest
>unwarranted 9's, that show absolutely no signs of imperfection, and
>should without a doubt, be 10's.  Any suggestions or similar stories?  
>I'm gettin' my Word document ready RIGHT NOW!

>Ok, I'm done.

>Chris Sterbenz
> ==> Sterbz (tm)

>Sterbz' Sports Cards:
> ==> http://www.FoundCollection.com/

 
 
 

My LAST PSA Experience = ABSOLUTE DISGUST!

Post by Michael Willen » Sun, 01 Nov 1998 04:00:00


I'd be mad too, but know now that PSA has a vested interest in
limiting the number of PSA 10's.  It's the new insert card craze.
I suspect that noone actually buys PSA 10's, they just buy them to
pass them along to another sucke...I mean customer at a profit.
Nothing wrong with that at all, just hope you're not the one holding
the ball when the craze ends.  Just ask coin collectors holding
hi-graded 1964 Roosevelt Dimes they bought for $800 what that feels
like.



Quote:
>Ok, I am about to go on a massive rant here, so you are all now
>fore-warned...

>Today, I FINALLY got the last of my 5 submissions that were submitted to
>and received by PSA on August 28th.  They were commons...they had the
>delays...I got the free submissions...and I'm fine with all that.  What
>I'm IRATE about are the grades which I received on the 84 cards I got
>back today, ranging from Boggs 83 Donruss RC's, all the way to Duncan 97
>Finest RC's.  A little background:

>I took every single card I owned that was worth PSA grading to a halogen
>lamp and 20x magnifying glass, and picked out the crim of the crim and
>submitted them to PSA.  Not a single frickin' one that I submitted had a
>dinged corner, surface scratch, or centering worse than 55/45 on the
>front (60/40 on the back).  I have always been known to cherry-pick
>the cards I buy, so it came as no surprise to me that around 75% of
>the cards I looked at were worth submitting.  Anyways, I bought a new box
>of 100 premium semi-rigid top loads JUST for PSA (I hate the damned
>things) and carefully transferred them from my rigid top loaders into the
>Premiums.  I NEVER damaged a card and was very pleased with my package
>that was now all set to go.  So now onto this afternoon...

>I get home today, and find the huge package on the stairs.  I KNEW this
>was gonna make me sweat, but I couldn't resist.  I immediately went to my
>room and got to the boxes.  Once all the cards were accessible, I
>systematically decided how I'd look at them...from least to most valuable
>if granted an illustrious PSA 10.  Anyways, to cut to the chase, I got
>ONLY NINE FRICKIN' 10's, around 33% 9's, and the rest 8's.  A TOTAL CROCK
>OF SH!T!  I was so pissed that I was literally throwing things.  So after
>I calmed down, I took a look at the cards that had gotten 8's.  Nearly
>every single card was dinged, and my cards were NOT dinged prior to their
>submission.  Basically, what I'm saying is...THEY DINGED MY CARDS!!!  I
>REFUSE to accept the grades that were given to my cards, and come hell or
>high water, something's gonna be done about this TOTAL FARCE!  What
>they're doing is pretty obvious to me:

>Let's pretend you're a *** of a college instructor.  You have a class
>of 1,000,000 students, and you're implementing the ever popular and often
>unfair bell curve.  That means that roughly 2 - 5% of the students are
>permitted to receive an "A" in the class, and THAT'S IT!  No if's, and's,
>or but's.  Well, that's exactly what PSA is doing.  They've turned this
>into a damn bell curve (8:F::10:A), and are only continuing to
>contribute to the outrageous gap between PSA 9's and 10's.  I have
>personally seen (and owned) 3 PSA 10's that were outright ludicrous.  I
>have a PSA 10 Thomas Leaf RC that's no better than 70/30 T/B...I have a
>PSA 10 84 Fleer Update Clemens that's got a rough edge...and I had a PSA
>10 86 Jordan Fleer RC that had a printer's dot in the blue name plate
>and fraying on one of the sides.  I'm tellin' ya, it's pure and utter
>bullsh!t, and I'm sure so many people are starting to experience the
>same thing, and I'd love to hear your rants.

>What am I gonna do?  Well, they're DEFINITELY hearin' from me, for I
>spent nearly a grand to receive prompt and honest service, and what
>they've actually done is held up my inventory for a month longer than
>expected, and have now dinged a ton of my cards and have given the rest
>unwarranted 9's, that show absolutely no signs of imperfection, and
>should without a doubt, be 10's.  Any suggestions or similar stories?  
>I'm gettin' my Word document ready RIGHT NOW!

>Ok, I'm done.

>Chris Sterbenz
> ==> Sterbz (tm)

>Sterbz' Sports Cards:
> ==> http://www.FoundCollection.com/

 
 
 

My LAST PSA Experience = ABSOLUTE DISGUST!

Post by richard star » Sun, 01 Nov 1998 04:00:00


Which is why I never bought the high grade coins while I collected.
I would rather buy a nice EX+ with obvious wear at a few points than
by a "Mint" coin that has clash marks.

Richard

Quote:

> I'd be mad too, but know now that PSA has a vested interest in
> limiting the number of PSA 10's.  It's the new insert card craze.
> I suspect that noone actually buys PSA 10's, they just buy them to
> pass them along to another sucke...I mean customer at a profit.
> Nothing wrong with that at all, just hope you're not the one holding
> the ball when the craze ends.  Just ask coin collectors holding
> hi-graded 1964 Roosevelt Dimes they bought for $800 what that feels
> like.



> >Ok, I am about to go on a massive rant here, so you are all now
> >fore-warned...

> >Today, I FINALLY got the last of my 5 submissions that were submitted to
> >and received by PSA on August 28th.  They were commons...they had the
> >delays...I got the free submissions...and I'm fine with all that.  What
> >I'm IRATE about are the grades which I received on the 84 cards I got
> >back today, ranging from Boggs 83 Donruss RC's, all the way to Duncan 97
> >Finest RC's.  A little background:

> >I took every single card I owned that was worth PSA grading to a halogen
> >lamp and 20x magnifying glass, and picked out the crim of the crim and
> >submitted them to PSA.  Not a single frickin' one that I submitted had a
> >dinged corner, surface scratch, or centering worse than 55/45 on the
> >front (60/40 on the back).  I have always been known to cherry-pick
> >the cards I buy, so it came as no surprise to me that around 75% of
> >the cards I looked at were worth submitting.  Anyways, I bought a new box
> >of 100 premium semi-rigid top loads JUST for PSA (I hate the damned
> >things) and carefully transferred them from my rigid top loaders into the
> >Premiums.  I NEVER damaged a card and was very pleased with my package
> >that was now all set to go.  So now onto this afternoon...

> >I get home today, and find the huge package on the stairs.  I KNEW this
> >was gonna make me sweat, but I couldn't resist.  I immediately went to my
> >room and got to the boxes.  Once all the cards were accessible, I
> >systematically decided how I'd look at them...from least to most valuable
> >if granted an illustrious PSA 10.  Anyways, to cut to the chase, I got
> >ONLY NINE FRICKIN' 10's, around 33% 9's, and the rest 8's.  A TOTAL CROCK
> >OF SH!T!  I was so pissed that I was literally throwing things.  So after
> >I calmed down, I took a look at the cards that had gotten 8's.  Nearly
> >every single card was dinged, and my cards were NOT dinged prior to their
> >submission.  Basically, what I'm saying is...THEY DINGED MY CARDS!!!  I
> >REFUSE to accept the grades that were given to my cards, and come hell or
> >high water, something's gonna be done about this TOTAL FARCE!  What
> >they're doing is pretty obvious to me:

> >Let's pretend you're a *** of a college instructor.  You have a class
> >of 1,000,000 students, and you're implementing the ever popular and often
> >unfair bell curve.  That means that roughly 2 - 5% of the students are
> >permitted to receive an "A" in the class, and THAT'S IT!  No if's, and's,
> >or but's.  Well, that's exactly what PSA is doing.  They've turned this
> >into a damn bell curve (8:F::10:A), and are only continuing to
> >contribute to the outrageous gap between PSA 9's and 10's.  I have
> >personally seen (and owned) 3 PSA 10's that were outright ludicrous.  I
> >have a PSA 10 Thomas Leaf RC that's no better than 70/30 T/B...I have a
> >PSA 10 84 Fleer Update Clemens that's got a rough edge...and I had a PSA
> >10 86 Jordan Fleer RC that had a printer's dot in the blue name plate
> >and fraying on one of the sides.  I'm tellin' ya, it's pure and utter
> >bullsh!t, and I'm sure so many people are starting to experience the
> >same thing, and I'd love to hear your rants.

> >What am I gonna do?  Well, they're DEFINITELY hearin' from me, for I
> >spent nearly a grand to receive prompt and honest service, and what
> >they've actually done is held up my inventory for a month longer than
> >expected, and have now dinged a ton of my cards and have given the rest
> >unwarranted 9's, that show absolutely no signs of imperfection, and
> >should without a doubt, be 10's.  Any suggestions or similar stories?
> >I'm gettin' my Word document ready RIGHT NOW!

> >Ok, I'm done.

> >Chris Sterbenz
> > ==> Sterbz (tm)

> >Sterbz' Sports Cards:
> > ==> http://www.FoundCollection.com/