Does anyone send stuff without payment?

Does anyone send stuff without payment?

Post by richard star » Sat, 07 Nov 1998 04:00:00



Except with a long established customer, I would NEVER send a card
first.  The only time you might send first is in trade situations where
the card being sent in exchange is basicly irreplaceable. Masterpiece,
press plates, perfect 10, etc.

Richard

Quote:

> Hi,

> I've got to ask if anyone really does this.  I had a guy contact me
> about a card I had for sale.  He asked to see the card, so I sent him
> a scan.  He then said he wanted the card but asked me to send it first
> before he sent payment.  I politely declined, and offered him to look
> at my Ebay feedback file, and I'd provide up to 15 addtional NG
> references.  He then told me to forget it.  Is this a normal practice
> to ask the seller to send first?  This really raised a red flag with
> me, am I just being paranoid?  Any comments?

> Have Fun,

> Ron

 
 
 

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Post by Lynn » Sat, 07 Nov 1998 04:00:00


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> He then said he wanted the card but asked me to send it
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Sounds like you saved yourself a potential headache. I'll send a trade
at the same time providing I've felt comfortable with the transaction
and dejanews is clean, but any time a payment is part of the deal,
I'll wait.

I'd put him on my "dont" list and wouldn't look back. You did the
right thing. How many stores will let you take their product home
before you paid for it? I cant think of any..

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Does anyone send stuff without payment?

Post by MCloth58 » Sun, 08 Nov 1998 04:00:00


Ron wrote>
I've got to ask if anyone really does this. I had a guy contact me about a card
I had for sale.  He asked to see the card, so I sent him a scan  He then said
he wanted the card but asked me to send it first before he sent payment  I
politely declined, and offered
him to look at my Ebay feedback file, and I'd provide up to 15 addtional NG
references. He then told me to forget it. Is this a normal practice to ask the
seller to send first? This really raised a red flag with me, am I just being
paranoid? Any comments?
Have Fun,
Ron

Ron,
No i dont think your being paranoid at all, by offering your eBay/NG reference
sources he should feel confident in his purchase and send payment first, but
you did all that you could, sounds like he wants a "free" card to me.
Mitch

Just a collector..
alyways looking to trade for more McGwire and Johnny Damon cards
currently at 578 different McGwire cards

 
 
 

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Post by TSn41024 » Sun, 08 Nov 1998 04:00:00


I would only send cards before payment if it was someone I delt with
frequently.  In any case, never just so they could look at the card first.

Quote:

>I've got to ask if anyone really does this.&nbsp; I had a guy contact
>me about a card I had for sale.&nbsp; He asked to see the card, so I sent
>him a scan.&nbsp; He then said he wanted the card but asked me to send
>it first before he sent payment.&nbsp; I politely declined, and offered
>him to look at my Ebay feedback file, and I'd provide up to 15 addtional
>NG references.&nbsp; He then told me to forget it.&nbsp; Is this a normal
>practice to ask the seller to send first?&nbsp; This really raised a red
>flag with me, am I just being paranoid?&nbsp; Any comments?

 
 
 

Does anyone send stuff without payment?

Post by NONSPO » Sun, 08 Nov 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

>>am I just being paranoid?<<

Only if you think JC Penny, Sears and Montgomery Ward are paranoid too.

I have no idea why some people think this is any different from other
business'.

You should always keep in mind, you are the seller of something someone else
wants and as the saying goes, he who owns the ball, makes the rules.

Happy collecting,

M


 
 
 

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Post by Hocus_Pocu » Sun, 08 Nov 1998 04:00:00


This is interesting...  I usually / always send my payment and request that
the merchandise be sent at the same time.  I'm always buying, and haven't
sold anything to anyone yet--but for me as the buyer, I like to know and
personally talk to the seller and coordinate things via telephone so as to
establish a certain level of trust (both ways).  The seller starts out
saying, "No, I want payment first"--then after I talk with him / her, we
always send off things at the same time.  Through E-Mail, you can never know
if you're dealing with a "kid" that's just trying to get free stuff, but
when they hear that I'm a "trustworthy" ***, things go well.  :o)
Semi-coordinate things via E-Mail, then drop the buyer / seller a call.  Ask
if the seller would accept a personal check, or if they would prefer, a
Cashier's Check / Money Order.  Give the seller the choice, be polite, and
for the most-part people are on the up-and-up.

My two sense...  - Matt

 
 
 

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Post by Jordan James McKa » Sun, 08 Nov 1998 04:00:00


I have never expected a card to be sent at the same time that I sent the $$.
If you send a mo. then they should send right away. If you send a check,
then waiting a couple of days is appropriate. Do business with me a few
times and then the trust kicks in. I had a relationship with a guy where I
sent him inserts and and invoice at the same time. Worked the first
time..now it's 5 mos and no payment. $150+ so, trust is only acquired
through a relationship of time

JJ

Quote:

>This is interesting...  I usually / always send my payment and request that
>the merchandise be sent at the same time.  I'm always buying, and haven't
>sold anything to anyone yet--but for me as the buyer, I like to know and
>personally talk to the seller and coordinate things via telephone so as to
>establish a certain level of trust (both ways).  The seller starts out
>saying, "No, I want payment first"--then after I talk with him / her, we
>always send off things at the same time.  Through E-Mail, you can never
know
>if you're dealing with a "kid" that's just trying to get free stuff, but
>when they hear that I'm a "trustworthy" ***, things go well.  :o)
>Semi-coordinate things via E-Mail, then drop the buyer / seller a call.
Ask
>if the seller would accept a personal check, or if they would prefer, a
>Cashier's Check / Money Order.  Give the seller the choice, be polite, and
>for the most-part people are on the up-and-up.

>My two sense...  - Matt

 
 
 

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Post by jpeabod » Mon, 09 Nov 1998 04:00:00


In my experience, I've never had anyone ask me to send the product before
the payment.  I have had a couple people send $2 cards as soon as I confirm
that I'd send payment, but that's not much of a risk.  I could understand if
someone really had questions about the authenticity or condition, or your
reputation, none of which seem to apply in your case.  When buying, we'd all
like to see the thing first, but most people don't bother to ask.  That's
just not how things work in this realm.  He did, and the fact that you
balked at his request rightly or wrongly created doubt in his mind.  The
question that remains is if the doubt was in regard to your honesty, or his
ability to get away with something.  If you're a nice guy, go with the
former.  If you're a cynic, go with the latter.

Quote:


>>>am I just being paranoid?<<

>Only if you think JC Penny, Sears and Montgomery Ward are paranoid too.

>I have no idea why some people think this is any different from other
>business'.

>You should always keep in mind, you are the seller of something someone
else
>wants and as the saying goes, he who owns the ball, makes the rules.

>Happy collecting,

>M



 
 
 

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Post by NONSPO » Mon, 09 Nov 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

>>It's been over a year since my website

"debued".  I've sent out hundreds of orders from this part-time venture,
and have never, not even once, had anybody request that I send the cards
the same time they are sending payment.<<

I don't have a web site yet <still trying to understand the logistics and I
seriously don't think it has anything to do with the reason people have never
asked for the cards before they send the money.

I've had thousands of deals on line and I've been asked once to send the cards
first...this was a couple of years ago. I refused and offered references and
the collector agreed to send the money first and all went well.

Quote:
>>Do you personally think that this is because the web site is

well-established and shows that I am not a kid and someone whom is just
looking to rip people off?<<

Why do you say that? I've seen some great sites created by kids and even by
several reputed rip-offs.

As far as kids go, I really wish everyone would stop thinking they are less
reputable by measure of their age. Some of my best customers are kids and
though I've had a few people renege in my auction I've never had any of them
give me the impression they were kids. Just dead-beats.

I think the manner in which one purports oneself in the NG speaks volumes to
collectors. Someone who has a good track record when reading Deja News, has
many references and seems knowledgeable and willing to answer questions is
always a better bet than someone who pokes their head in, advertises several
high end cards and disappears.

Quote:
>>I certainly hope that the site speaks for my

credibility as being trustworthy and experienced with cards and
buying/selling on the internet.<<

Not meaning to critique your site, I wonder what there is about it which makes
you believe it speaks towards your credibility and how your trustworthyness and
experience is portrayed? It's a nice enough site (don't get me wrong here),
however, I've visited many card sites with such professionalism I would never
guess the creator was anything other than a webmaster. I've seen animated
graphics, heard sounds and music bits and even actual movie scenes. I'm not
saying these make a better site, only that there is nothing which says
"trustworthy and experienced" on any of the sites. This is something which
comes with reputation and a web site doesn't portray this.

Happy collecting,

M


 
 
 

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Post by Soup » Tue, 10 Nov 1998 04:00:00


Lame attempt by Shaun to promote his
lame web site. Just another lame collection
of ***at 50%off Beckett. The same cards
that go for 75% to 85% off on ebay.  
I've sent hundreds of cards to dealers with
good feedback on ebay without receiving
payment first, and havn't had a single problem.
Any loser can put up a website. Big deal!
I wouldn't send anything to Shaun  and I
wouldn't buy from him because he dosn't
have anything to offer that I couldn't get
cheaper on ebay and card shows.
             G-g-g-g-g-giddy up Sourpup
Quote:
Non-Sport writes:

>>>It's been over a year since my website
>"debued".  I've sent out hundreds of orders from this part-time venture,
>and have never, not even once, had anybody request that I send the cards
>the same time they are sending payment.<<

>I don't have a web site yet <still trying to understand the logistics and I
>seriously don't think it has anything to do with the reason people have never
>asked for the cards before they send the money.

>I've had thousands of deals on line and I've been asked once to send the
>cards
>first...this was a couple of years ago. I refused and offered references and
>the collector agreed to send the money first and all went well.

>>>Do you personally think that this is because the web site is
>well-established and shows that I am not a kid and someone whom is just
>looking to rip people off?<<

>Why do you say that? I've seen some great sites created by kids and even by
>several reputed rip-offs.

>As far as kids go, I really wish everyone would stop thinking they are less
>reputable by measure of their age. Some of my best customers are kids and
>though I've had a few people renege in my auction I've never had any of them
>give me the impression they were kids. Just dead-beats.

>I think the manner in which one purports oneself in the NG speaks volumes to
>collectors. Someone who has a good track record when reading Deja News, has
>many references and seems knowledgeable and willing to answer questions is
>always a better bet than someone who pokes their head in, advertises several
>high end cards and disappears.

>>>I certainly hope that the site speaks for my
>credibility as being trustworthy and experienced with cards and
>buying/selling on the internet.<<

>Not meaning to critique your site, I wonder what there is about it which
>makes
>you believe it speaks towards your credibility and how your trustworthyness
>and
>experience is portrayed? It's a nice enough site (don't get me wrong here),
>however, I've visited many card sites with such professionalism I would never
>guess the creator was anything other than a webmaster. I've seen animated
>graphics, heard sounds and music bits and even actual movie scenes. I'm not
>saying these make a better site, only that there is nothing which says
>"trustworthy and experienced" on any of the sites. This is something which
>comes with reputation and a web site doesn't portray this.

>Happy collecting,

>M