Pet Peeves

Pet Peeves

Post by Chris Inou » Fri, 22 Mar 1996 04:00:00



Hey Net-Collectors,

        After almost two years in the rec.collecting.* hierarchy, I
(along with many of you) have put up with many major and minor
annoyances.  I finally thought that I would list a few of mine, in the
hopes that others have the same grievances, and those of you committing
the errors will stop.

- People who can't spell popular athletes' names correctly.  Hey, I know
not everyone can spell shortstop Mark Grudzielanek's name correctly, but
what kind of collector and/or sports fan can't spell Ken Griffiy Jr. or
Cal Ripkin Jr.'s name correctly? What, you don't see it enough in the
papers, in Beckett, or on that CARD RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU?  Amazingly,
people have had trouble with Michael Jordon, Emmett Smith, Alex
Rodriquez, Greg Maddox, Shaquille O'Neil, Brett Farve, and Don
Mattengly.  Heck, once I saw someone selling Cal Ripkyn cards.  And if you
don't know how to spell it correctly, I'm not going to tell you...

- Likewise, people who can't spell card company names or insert set names
correctly.  I've never bought a card from Bowmen or Bowmen's Best,
Sportflix (pre-95), Summitt, Tops, or Zeneith.  I realize Score's
Reflextions is a hard spell, but what the heck is a defractor?  (It's
either a refractor [with an "o"] or a diffraction foil Mirror]

- People who don't know the card numbers of the card they are selling.  
It's one thing to say "Frank Thomas Lumberjack for Sale" because everyone
knows what card you're talking about.  But if you put "Frank Thomas
Lumberjack #??   $50.00" in your post, you look like an imbecile.

- People who don't associate names with numbers.  Ever seen the
following, or something similar?
        "1995 Finest refractors for sale!
                #88, #119, #121  -- $200.00 each
                #214             -- $225.00"
Would you buy any of these bargains?  Would you buy a 1996 Mercedes for
$30,000?  Or a Superman comic book for $100?  Do you see my point in
being specific?  I am a player collector mostly, so I hate seeing lists
like "Press Proofs $1 each: 132  200  345  346  400".  I give credit to
those who let me know what players they are when I ask, but posting the
players in advance makes more sense and saves time.

- People who "NEED" cards.  Okay, I can understand when someone "needs"
card #145 to complete their 1959 Topps set which has been their lifelong
goal.  But does anyone ever really *NEED* Stackhouse, Isringhausen, or
Curtis Martin cards?  Well, maybe...

Vincent "The Don" Collectorino: "Hey Squeezle, where'z dem Andruw Jonezes
cardz you promised us?"

Squeezle: "I'll get dem for youz, boss.  I just needz a liddle more time."

Collectorino: "Well, you better get us dem cards, else ccchhhkkkkkkkk"
(as he draws his finger across his neck)


                Newsgroup: rec.collecting.sport.baseball
                Subject: ANDRUW JONES CARDS NEEDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!]

- People who use too much punctuation.  Some of you out there sound so
e***d in your posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You look like third graders who have just learned about exclamation
points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you think that the rest of us want to know that you can't contain
yourself??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

- People who have no name.  I'm glad that the name on your birth
certificate is EMMITTDAMAN or IAMCARDGOD, because that's how you sign
your posts.  Please, we know that you AOLers et al. are real people; why
not tell us your names?  Or is it, the less we know about you, the easier
it is for you to rip us off?

- People who post more than three times a day, and people who post ads in
the discuss newsgroup.  'Nuff said.

        Look, I know everyone makes mistakes, even myself.  I am not
accusing everyone out there, just a select few.  I understand that
"Drew Bledose Cards For Sael" could be a typo, or that someone could
accidentally click on "Send" one extra time.  It's people who repeat
their mistakes who are the morons.

        I believe that if you repeatedly make such errors, you are not
beneficial to the hobby.  Maybe you're a big-money "investor" who cares
little about sports and collecting.  Maybe you're a con artist who is out
to rip us off.  Anyway, if you are repeating these mistakes, I won't deal
with you.  If you don't care about your cards, your posts, and your
audience, how do I know you care about not bouncing a check, sending me
money on time, or sending me the cards you promise?

        And if I ever see a post like the following, I will personally
hunt you down like the dog you are:


        Newsgroups: rec.collecting.sport.baseball,
                    rec.collecting.cards.discuss
        Subject: 93 FINEST RIPKIN REFRACTER FOR SALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        HAVE ONE 1993 FINEST CAL RIPKIN REFRACTER #?? FOR SALE!!!!!!!!!!!!
        ONLY $2000.00 PLUS $20 FOR SHIPPING, HANDLING, AND INSURANCE.

        EMAIL IF INTERESTED
        CARDINVESTORGUY

Cheers,
Chris

 
 
 

Pet Peeves

Post by Eric Goldsmit » Sat, 23 Mar 1996 04:00:00


Bravo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (oops!)  I mean  bravo!

I really enjoyed your note.

Eric

 
 
 

Pet Peeves

Post by Chris Inou » Sun, 31 Mar 1996 04:00:00


Funny thing is, I wasn't targeting anyone directly, only expressing my
opinions to the newsgroup.  And as many responses as I have had
supporting my beliefs, I couldn't believe that someone would step up and
try to defend such mistakes.  So I would like to explain my points
without flaming anyone.  Here we go...

Quote:

> Oh come on now,  this is a little too much!!!!!!!!!!
> So what if I'm a bad speller, that doesn't make me a bad trader.
> I've had ppl judge me because my hair is a little thin on top.
> I've had'em judge me because I have a few pounds hangin over my belt.
> They even judge me because I drive an old beat up US Army M37,
> (of course some think it's kewl).
> And NOW I'm being judged on my PENMAMSHIP, get real!!!

        As I said before, I wasn't judging anyone in my post.  But as I
know from the people I deal with and other collectors I know, people do
consciously or unconsciously judge you on several things.  Some people
won't deal with AOLers.  Some people won't deal with posters who can't
spell.  Some people won't deal with newsgroup charter violaters (and with
good reason!).  Such judgment is not always "right," but I am just saying
that it happens.   A lot.  So I suggested that someone were to put more
care in their posts, people might "judge" them more favorably.

Quote:
> >>- People who can't spell popular athletes' names correctly.

> Hey, my 'puter is upstairs, my cards are downstairs.  There are times
> I just don't  want to go up and down them to make sure I spell Griffiy
> with one "f" or two.
> Oh, and please,  I have enough ppl telling me what to do, let's don't
> have you start.

        Please, I'm not telling you to do anything.  This was just an
expression of my opinions.  But if someone were to put a few extra
seconds of care into his/her posts, he or she might be viewed more
favorably.  And don't tell me you don't know how to spell a popular
player's name.  That is no excuse.  Don't you read the sports page or
boxscores?  Sports Illustrated?  Beckett at least?!?  How much faith
would you have in someone trying to sell Sooperman comic books, or
Mersaydes-Bens luxury cars, or Rollex watches?  As much coverage and
exposure superstar athletes get, you ought to know how to spell Michael
Jordan or Cal Ripken Jr.  Oh, and with Ken Griffey Jr.'s surname,
sometimes it's not the F's that are the problem...

Quote:
> >- People who don't associate names with numbers.  Ever seen the
> >following, or something similar?
> >       "1995 Finest refractors for sale!
> >               #88, #119, #121  -- $200.00 each
> >               #214             -- $225.00"
> Yeah, ok, I can go along with this.  But, if your a set collector like
> me it's no problem.  I write the number of the cards I need on the
> underside of the lid.  Then all I have to do is lift the lid and
> "bingo" I need those numbers!

        I should have clarified this a little.  I don't have a problem
with people who list commons or singles this way.  I only get annoyed
when people list higher-dollar inserts like this, such as Select Artist
Proofs or Finest refractors.  99% of your audience do not or cannot
build such expensive sets, so why not list out the players?  And for
parallels like Finest refractors, there are no checklists to which we can
refer for players unlisted in Beckett.

Quote:
> >- People who have no name.
> That is what I like about the 'Net.  It is a whole different world
> within it's self.  And in that world I'm gloryhunter, that is my
> identity.  It may be in a crisis(my identity) but, that is who I am.
> Now, when I'm working out a deal with some one via e-mail that is
> different.  It has become more personal.  I then dig out my birth
> certificate and use the name on it.  Geez, I hope I got the right
> one!!

        Again, a little clarification is in order.  I don't mind
"nameless" posts in the newsgroups.  I guess it just makes me a little
uncomfortable when I reply to a post and have to write "Dear
COWBOYZAREDABESTTEAMINDAWHOLEFRICKINNFL, I am interested in
such-and-such-a-card..."  I also have had a few deals with people who use
company names (like "Fourth Base Sportscards"), and who ask you to use
the company name when writing out a check or mailing something to them.  
Fortunately, the deals were fine.  I would just prefer to know a name, in
case anything should go wrong.  Otherwise, what are you going to tell the
postal authorities or FBI?  You were ripped off by a company, for which
you have no contact names?  Or that DABULLZRULEDAMAGICDROOL stole your
cards?  I just would rather see a personal name from the start, but that
is my opinion.

Quote:
> > I know everyone makes mistakes, even myself.  I am not
> >accusing everyone out there, just a select few.  I understand that
> >"Drew Bledose Cards For Sael" could be a typo, or that someone could
> >accidentally click on "Send" one extra time.  It's people who repeat
> >their mistakes who are the morons.

> >       I believe that if you repeatedly make such errors, you are not
> >beneficial to the hobby.  Maybe you're a big-money "investor" who cares
> >little about sports and collecting.  Maybe you're a con artist who is out
> >to rip us off.  Anyway, if you are repeating these mistakes, I won't deal
> >with you.  If you don't care about your cards, your posts, and your
> >audience, how do I know you care about not bouncing a check, sending me
> >money on time, or sending me the cards you promise?
> You know, my 10 yr. old collects cards and she posts to the collecting
> newsgroups and so do a lot of other 8-9-10 yr olds.  Just because they
> may make up some the repeat "offenders"  is no reason to put them in
> the category of morons, big money investors or con artists.  Maybe
> it's you that we shouldn't deal with.

        That's why I said MAYBE you are an uncaring investor or a con
artist.  MAYBE you are a youngster who doesn't know any better.  
Admittedly, I did not take into account young children.  

        But, here is why I have a small problem with SOME children
posting on the newsgroups.  And this is my opinion only, although I know
others who agree.  We have had problems in the past with children
thinking that it would be fun if they could get people to mail good cards
to them without having to give up anything in exchange.  The bigger
problem with this scenario is that they were minors, and could not be
prosecuted for mail fraud.  And their parents would refuse to take
responsibility, saying that they were just kids having fun.  Problems
with children are extremely difficult to resolve, through legal,
parental, or other means.  That's a fact.

        And maybe I'm just old-fashioned or a traditionalist (at 22!),
but I think that kids should develop a love of the sport first, and use
collecting as a supplement.  The two should feed off each other, in my
opinion.  I believe that investing, buying, and selling, should not be an
obsession.  I am not judging anyone, or telling anyone what to do, but I
think that we need to focus a little more on collecting for kids, rather
than investing.  In my opinion, and I am not saying that this is right or
wrong, but I don't think that kids should "need" to acquire a $100 Jordan
card, just because some price guide says it's "worth" that much.  This is
the fault of many people, including price guides (all of them), card
companies (for limiting $1 pack of high quality), parents, and players
themselves.  But that's a thread for another day...

Quote:
> >       And if I ever see a post like the following, I will personally
> >hunt you down like the dog you are:


> >       Newsgroups: rec.collecting.sport.baseball,
> >                   rec.collecting.cards.discuss
> >       Subject: 93 FINEST RIPKIN REFRACTER FOR SALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> >       HAVE ONE 1993 FINEST CAL RIPKIN REFRACTER #?? FOR SALE!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >       ONLY $2000.00 PLUS $20 FOR SHIPPING, HANDLING, AND INSURANCE.

> >       EMAIL IF INTERESTED
> >       CARDINVESTORGUY

>         !!!!!!!!!!!!!!Would you like my home address!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        Not yet, I haven't seen a post like this from you.  In all truth,
I haven't seen anything that even comes close.

        Wow.  I hope my original post didn't offend too many people...

Chris