Refusing to accept certain US coins/currency

Refusing to accept certain US coins/currency

Post by <Dus.. » Sun, 04 Jul 1999 04:00:00



I think the original poster is correct that this may belong in a legal
newsgroup....so for people not interested.......this is OFF TOPIC.  I think
you are correct about a creditor having to accept any form of payment
offered.  You're post reminded me of a news article I read a while back
about a man who paid his last alimony check to his ex-wife with a plain
white T-shirt.  He simply drew a picture of a check on the T-shirt,
including his bank transit routing number, his account number, a check
number, and the amount to be paid on the T-shirt.  Someone took him to court
over it (I can't remember if it was the woman, her lawyer, or her bank) and
he won because all of the required information was on the T-shirt.  He wrote
in large letters at the top of the shirt "THE SHIRT OFF OF MY BACK."  The
judge ordered the party receiving the shirt to take it to the bank, and
ordered the bank to honor it.  I guess a retail establishment can get around
this requirement by using their "right to refuse service to anyone" and that
is the reason they are not required to accept a certain coin or bill that is
legal tender.  But it seems like to me, that if a clerk at a convenience
store had reason to believe a coin or note was counterfeit, they would not
be obligated to accept it.  Again, I don't know what the law is, but I hope
someone who does will let me know, because I find it interesting.

Dustin


Quote:



> > I don't know for sure, but I don't think any retailer is required to
> accept
> > any currency they don't wish to (for example, mail order companies can
> > require a credit card to be used, although many people would like to pay
> by
> > other means.) Another example is a convenience store that won't take a
> bill
> > larger than $20.  A bank on the other hand should gladly exchange a
Susan
> B.
> > for a paper dollar, and a damaged note can be mailed to the Treasury
> Dept,
> > where they will destroy the damaged note and mail you a new one.

> But ive heard many stories of people paying for tickets, fines, etc. with
> pennies - I think perhaps that a convenience store or any other commercial
> establishment can refuse to accept your $20 because they don't have to
sell
> to anyone if they don't wnat to (unless it can be shown to be
> discriminatory)  But when someone is trying to collect on a bill / fine/
> whatever, (again IM GUESSING!) I think they might have to take your
> pennies, or even bills as long as the whole face on the bill & at least
two
> corners are present (this last bit was told to me by a teller - I mean
what
> makes a bill legal tender - not who has to accept it.  (As a juvenile, I
> had fun torturing a particularly  tight friend of mine by slowly shredding
> a $20 - just enough of it that is)
> ian

 
 
 

Refusing to accept certain US coins/currency

Post by JSTONEFE » Mon, 05 Jul 1999 04:00:00


This quandry has been bantered about many times before, regarding retailers
obligations to accept currency based on the "legal tender" premise;
specifically some retailers refusal to accept $2 notes....

Private retailers/parties are under no legal obligation to accept whatever
tender may be offered to them, whether in the example of pounds of pennies or
$2 notes. Likewise, you are under no obligation to buy their goods.

However, if the parties or otherwise, are affiliated with Uncle Sam or have
contracts with same, then they are obligated to accept any legal form of
payment offered to complete the transaction.

In other words, you can renew your drivers license w/20 pounds of pennies
(though they'll probably try to tell you you can't), but you can't buy a
Slurpee at your 7-Eleven with 10 dimes, if they don't let you.

And this includes Mr. T. Schmit :-)...OK?

 
 
 

Refusing to accept certain US coins/currency

Post by Alan Herber » Mon, 05 Jul 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
> This quandry has been bantered about many times before, regarding
retailers
> obligations to accept currency based on the "legal tender" premise;
> specifically some retailers refusal to accept $2 notes....

========
Backing up the statements by JTStone, if you use one of the search engines
you can find extensions of this thread going back several years. The problem
is a general misunderstanding of the meaning of legal tender, but you will
find legal opinions cited. The term "legal tender" means that the note or
coin is legal to use to pay bills, taxes, etc. but nowhere in the definition
or law does it say that you must accept it. One of the events which kicked
off much of the discussion was the fact that the Miami Post Office refused
to accept $100 notes because of the counterfeits circulating in the drug
trade. The consensus of legal opinion is that as long as the policy is
clearly stated and posted, the person/merchant/business has a right to
refuse any particular form of payment.
Alan Herbert - Contributing Editor - Numismatic News
 
 
 

Refusing to accept certain US coins/currency

Post by John Ston » Wed, 07 Jul 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

> > This quandry has been bantered about many times before, regarding
> retailers
> > obligations to accept currency based on the "legal tender" premise;
> > specifically some retailers refusal to accept $2 notes....
> ========
> Backing up the statements by JTStone, if you use one of the search engines
> you can find extensions of this thread going back several years. The problem
> is a general misunderstanding of the meaning of legal tender, but you will
> find legal opinions cited. The term "legal tender" means that the note or
> coin is legal to use to pay bills, taxes, etc. but nowhere in the definition
> or law does it say that you must accept it. One of the events which kicked
> off much of the discussion was the fact that the Miami Post Office refused
> to accept $100 notes because of the counterfeits circulating in the drug
> trade. The consensus of legal opinion is that as long as the policy is
> clearly stated and posted, the person/merchant/business has a right to
> refuse any particular form of payment.
> Alan Herbert - Contributing Editor - Numismatic News

One time my Grandfather wanted to pay with a check and the store
refused and after a very long argument he just left the merchandise
piled up on the counter and walked out.

Very bad PR for a store, I witnessed the ugly confrontation and
never returned to that store again.

 
 
 

Refusing to accept certain US coins/currency

Post by bkrrrr » Fri, 09 Jul 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

> Quite often at gas stations I give $100 bill to pay for a gas etc. and in many
> cases they do not want to take $100 bills and even $50 bills. I think they should
> accept any kind of US dollars anywhere anytime in USA or....???

> Audrius

   But honestly, this is a LOT of change to hand out.  If
a number of people pay with $100's, the gas station has to
keep a ridiculous amount of money in the register.  They're
also going to worry about an increase in robbery attempts
with that much more money in the register.  Of course they're
going to try hard to discourage $100's.
  Well if you think breaking a $100 is tough, try spending
one of those 100,000 lira notes the banks like to give
you in Italy.  :) :)  No way.

bkr

 
 
 

Refusing to accept certain US coins/currency

Post by Nicholas Marzolin » Fri, 09 Jul 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
> You got that all wrong...you can spend a 1000 lire for a coffee and pay with a
> 100.000 and they won't even blink.  They also have a 500.000 now and they don't
> really think much about changing that if you are spending 100.000 or more.

The only country where they don't like "big" bills is the USA, Britain, and maybe
Canada.  The brits make a big deal out of changing a 50 pound note too.
Quote:

>   Well if you think breaking a $100 is tough, try spending
> one of those 100,000 lira notes the banks like to give
> you in Italy.  :) :)  No way.

> bkr

 
 
 

Refusing to accept certain US coins/currency

Post by Nicholas Marzolin » Fri, 09 Jul 1999 04:00:00


Yeah, that happened to me a while back. I filled up $23.00 and all I had was $100.
note. The guy didn't want to take it...so I told him..well, I will give you my
license number and home address etc. and I will be back tomorrow to give you your
23.00..He had no trouble changing a hundred..he ever gave me a fifty as part of my
change. It is just a lot of sh*t.
Quote:

> Quite often at gas stations I give $100 bill to pay for a gas etc. and in many
> cases they do not want to take $100 bills. I think they should accept any kind of
> US dollars anywhere anytime in USA or....???

> Audrius


> > This quandry has been bantered about many times before, regarding retailers
> > obligations to accept currency based on the "legal tender" premise;
> > specifically some retailers refusal to accept $2 notes....

> > Private retailers/parties are under no legal obligation to accept whatever
> > tender may be offered to them, whether in the example of pounds of pennies or
> > $2 notes. Likewise, you are under no obligation to buy their goods.

> > However, if the parties or otherwise, are affiliated with Uncle Sam or have
> > contracts with same, then they are obligated to accept any legal form of
> > payment offered to complete the transaction.

> > In other words, you can renew your drivers license w/20 pounds of pennies
> > (though they'll probably try to tell you you can't), but you can't buy a
> > Slurpee at your 7-Eleven with 10 dimes, if they don't let you.

> > And this includes Mr. T. Schmit :-)...OK?