paypal ANTI-GUN policy

paypal ANTI-GUN policy

Post by Grumpy, the Third Dwar » Mon, 02 Jul 2001 10:45:06



No appologies for the cross-post.

Any of you guys using ebay and paypal may want to take a look at this
page and their policy.

http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/shop/guide-outside

The firearms issue is about 2/3rds the way down this page. It is
titled

  Firearms/Guns/Explosives

Just another anti-gun nail in the coffin. You may want to rethink
about using them and spread the above link around as much as possible.

--

Grumpy, the Third Dwarf
(Dave Johnson)

*****************************************
If I were taller, I wouldn't be so short!
      Dyslexics of the world, untie
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Post by K Krege » Mon, 02 Jul 2001 22:24:59


That's too bad, I use(d) Paypal a lot, but I can't support this policy.
Time to look for an alternative.  Maybe Bidpay?

 
 
 

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Post by GMasterm » Tue, 03 Jul 2001 07:38:42


Quote:
>Time to look for an alternative.

Why? It is ther right to deal with whomever they feel like, just as it is your
right to do the same. If a person was to boycot every company that chooses not
to deal in guns there would be very few companies to support. Think about
it-you would not be able to watch TV of movies because every major network is
anti- gun. Are you not going to by anything from the states that are anti-gun,
too, Cal, Mass, NH or use any company that is onwed by a Democrat because of
the Demos anti gun bias? I don't like the present state of things but I am not
going to cut my nose off to spite my face. Pay Pal has worked good for me,
unlike some of the others that I have tried.
 
 
 

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Post by AZOT » Tue, 03 Jul 2001 09:13:31


Quote:
>If a person was to boycot every company that chooses not
>to deal in guns there would be very few companies to support. Think about

it-you would not be able to watch TV of movies because every major network is
anti-gun.

I find this ststement somewhat deceptive, all major networks
are pro-gun gun when it profits them, just look at the movies
they run, you can watch several thousand people killed every day
with guns. If they are all anti gun why do they run these movies
and why don't the advertisers object, because they all profit
from thier actions.

In addition many of our so called anti-gun hollywood actors
publicly claim to be anti gun but in fact have concieled carry
permits, they can  even get a CCP in new york city.

I feel i need to carry a gun to protect my self from
drug crazed actors or just the plain insane ones,
some parties can be unhealthy if rappers are present.

So in conclusion paypal is only being PC to please
the media. I wonder if paypal has any gun owners
on thier payroll or if the employ armed gaurds to
protect thier executives.

Best regards
Tom.

 
 
 

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Post by Bray Hav » Tue, 03 Jul 2001 11:50:44


Gmasterman says>Why? It is ther right to deal with whomever they feel like,
just as it is
Quote:
>your
>right to do the same. If a person was to boycot every company that chooses
>not
>to deal in guns

Your analogy is pretty weak as this has nothing to do with them "dealing in
guns".  It has to do with them honoring a customers intent to transfer money
for a legal transaction.  It would be like a bank being anti gun and refusing
to honor a check written for one or accept a paycheck from their customer who
worked for a gun shop.  What it really refers to is a service who imposes their
morals on a customer and I would cancel my acct even if I didn't like guns.
It's a matter of principle. From what I can tell they are in trouble anyway and
this is probably a ploy to attract a rabid group of antigun people who perceive
this outfit may be sympathetic to their "cause".

Greg Sefton

 
 
 

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Post by K Krege » Tue, 03 Jul 2001 12:35:32


Paypal has worked well for me too, but I'm not going to support any movement
to restrict my freedom, such as it is, just because its convenient.

Will I make a difference?  No... so what?  Its the correct thing to do.  As
with most decisions, there is a right choice and a wrong one.  You can
usually tell if you made the correct choice if you don't have to
rationalize.

 
 
 

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Post by Bernie the Bunio » Tue, 03 Jul 2001 12:43:34


Quote:

> Paypal has worked well for me too, but I'm not going to support any movement
> to restrict my freedom, such as it is, just because its convenient.

> Will I make a difference?  No... so what?  Its the correct thing to do.  As
> with most decisions, there is a right choice and a wrong one.  
> You can usually tell if you made the correct choice if you don't have to
> rationalize.

Rationalizing YOUR decision in this newsgroup is exactly what YOU have
just done........
 
 
 

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Post by Ed Huntres » Tue, 03 Jul 2001 12:42:17


Did anyone check to see if Paypal is liable for any FFL/interstate problems?
Or is this just the correct thing to do anyway?

Ed Huntress


Quote:
> Paypal has worked well for me too, but I'm not going to support any
movement
> to restrict my freedom, such as it is, just because its convenient.

> Will I make a difference?  No... so what?  Its the correct thing to do.
As
> with most decisions, there is a right choice and a wrong one.  You can
> usually tell if you made the correct choice if you don't have to
> rationalize.

 
 
 

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Post by Gunne » Tue, 03 Jul 2001 13:33:14


Quote:

>>Time to look for an alternative.

>Why? It is ther right to deal with whomever they feel like, just as it is your
>right to do the same. If a person was to boycot every company that chooses not
>to deal in guns there would be very few companies to support. Think about
>it-you would not be able to watch TV of movies because every major network is
>anti- gun. Are you not going to by anything from the states that are anti-gun,
>too, Cal, Mass, NH or use any company that is onwed by a Democrat because of
>the Demos anti gun bias? I don't like the present state of things but I am not
>going to cut my nose off to spite my face. Pay Pal has worked good for me,
>unlike some of the others that I have tried.

Time to look for an alternative! PayPal does NOT deal in guns. Paypal
is an intermediary between two parties conducting a Legal transaction.
This is their business, and for doing so, they take a cut off the top.
You are absolutly correct, its their right to do so. It is also the
right of the consumer to vote with their money.
Example:
Kmart evidently has forgotten the Rosie Rottencrotch boycott a year or
so ago. Now that they once again have done what is their right (not
sell ammo)..it is the consumers right to vote with their dollars.
Rosie Rottencrotch managed to wind up flapping in the wind..NOT being
Kmarts spokes idiot..(with a couple years on her contract IIRC). Why?
Because consumers started doing business at Wally World. Sales went
down rather dramaticly (I head this from a personal friend who is in a
regional Kmart management position).

And as a matter of fact..Yes, I, personally do little or no business
with companies who are anti-gun/promote Liberal agendas. There are too
many alternatives to have to deal with this happy horseshit.  Ebay
stopped the legal sales of firearms on their site. Auction Arms sprang
up virtually overnite. Consumers voted with their money.

And no..I dont watch Major Media. I watch Fox..which delightfuly..is
NOT anti-gun, Liberal Agenda ridden.

Gunner

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Post by Gunne » Tue, 03 Jul 2001 13:35:21



Quote:

>> Paypal has worked well for me too, but I'm not going to support any movement
>> to restrict my freedom, such as it is, just because its convenient.

>> Will I make a difference?  No... so what?  Its the correct thing to do.  As
>> with most decisions, there is a right choice and a wrong one.  

>> You can usually tell if you made the correct choice if you don't have to
>> rationalize.

>Rationalizing YOUR decision in this newsgroup is exactly what YOU have
>just done........

Big difference between rationalizing..and explaining. But then..you
did know that..right?

"The last time a Liberal/Socialist thought about the downtrodden
was when they needed a maid " -P.J. O'Rourke

 
 
 

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Post by Ed Huntres » Tue, 03 Jul 2001 23:00:04


I looked at Paypal's policy and the firearms statement is included in a list
of items they won't sell for reasons of obvious legal liability. Note that
they will allow antique firearms sales (for our overseas members, that's
essentially any firearm made before 1898, and replicas thereof, which
includes a lot of powerful repeaters), so it doesn't appear to be a matter
of principle.

Unlike MasterCard, they aren't doing much paperwork on their retailers. Nor
do they want to. Checking FFL's (Federal Firearms Licenses) and registering
them with their legal department is not on their business plan.

So, if there is an illegal firearms sale involving Paypal and it results in
injury or death, Paypal is ground zero for a liability suit, under the terms
of Strict Liability. No responsible, conservative Republican business man
would expose his company to such liability. That's the kind of thing only a
flaming liberal *** would do.

It appears you've gone off half-cocked, Grumpy.

Ed Huntress



Quote:

> No appologies for the cross-post.

> Any of you guys using ebay and paypal may want to take a look at this
> page and their policy.

> http://www.FoundCollection.com/

> The firearms issue is about 2/3rds the way down this page. It is
> titled

>   Firearms/Guns/Explosives

> Just another anti-gun nail in the coffin. You may want to rethink
> about using them and spread the above link around as much as possible.

> --

> Grumpy, the Third Dwarf
> (Dave Johnson)

> *****************************************
> If I were taller, I wouldn't be so short!
>       Dyslexics of the world, untie
> *****************************************

 
 
 

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Post by Ed Clar » Tue, 03 Jul 2001 23:51:42


Quote:

>Time to look for an alternative! PayPal does NOT deal in guns. Paypal
>is an intermediary between two parties conducting a Legal transaction.
>This is their business, and for doing so, they take a cut off the top.
>You are absolutly correct, its their right to do so. It is also the
>right of the consumer to vote with their money.

Did I read that posting about PayPal incorrectly or what?  I took it
to mean that you couldn't advertise mailorder guns in their "PayPal Shops",
not that you were restricted from normal PayPal transactions because
the item was a firearm.  How would they know?  Why would they care?

ObMetal:

        http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?ItemNum=1518464

Looks like you machinist guys are missing out on a great business!  $995 and
he has the nerve to ask for $3.20 shipping...

 
 
 

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Post by PLAlbrec » Wed, 04 Jul 2001 00:44:44


Quote:
>Looks like you machinist guys are missing out on a great business!  $995 and
>he has the nerve to ask for $3.20 shipping...

The ad says

Quote:
>>Made by a machine shop owner !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not to disparage blacksmiths, but that "machining" looks like it was done by...
a blacksmith. Yeah, I'll buy the claim that it was made by the machine shop
"owner..." They're gonna let him use files real soon now.

That thing could be zapped out of flat stock by a CNC plasma cutter in no time
at nearly no cost.

Pete

 
 
 

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Post by John Flanag » Wed, 04 Jul 2001 05:42:29


On Mon, 02 Jul 2001 14:00:04 GMT, "Ed Huntress"

Quote:

>I looked at Paypal's policy and the firearms statement is included in a list
>of items they won't sell for reasons of obvious legal liability. Note that
>they will allow antique firearms sales (for our overseas members, that's
>essentially any firearm made before 1898, and replicas thereof, which
>includes a lot of powerful repeaters), so it doesn't appear to be a matter
>of principle.

>Unlike MasterCard, they aren't doing much paperwork on their retailers. Nor
>do they want to. Checking FFL's (Federal Firearms Licenses) and registering
>them with their legal department is not on their business plan.

>So, if there is an illegal firearms sale involving Paypal and it results in
>injury or death, Paypal is ground zero for a liability suit, under the terms
>of Strict Liability. No responsible, conservative Republican business man
>would expose his company to such liability. That's the kind of thing only a
>flaming liberal *** would do.

>It appears you've gone off half-cocked, Grumpy.

Potentially a good point Ed, but how does Auction Arms get around this
liability then?  That's all they auction isn't it?
 
 
 

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Post by Ed Huntres » Wed, 04 Jul 2001 06:05:06



Quote:
> On Mon, 02 Jul 2001 14:00:04 GMT, "Ed Huntress"

> Potentially a good point Ed, but how does Auction Arms get around this
> liability then?  That's all they auction isn't it?

I don't know anything about them, John. There's any number of reasons they
may be doing it, not the least of which is that they don't have to worry
about competition from Paypal. <g>

If I were doing it I'd run it as a thin shell of a corporation, with
everything leased, no assets to speak of, and everything paid out in
dividends. Then I'd insure what puny assets were left.

That's how a number of high-liability businesses operate, including many
building contractors.

Ed Huntress