OT: find device drivers on dead computer

OT: find device drivers on dead computer

Post by Karl Townsen » Thu, 27 Nov 2003 01:07:28



The process control computer for my new (to me) Mazak lathe won't boot.
Bought it that way with no backups :(

I put the hard disk out of the dead box in another 'puter and I can access
the data as the D:\ drive. I'd like to find the device drivers and,
hopefully, the IRQ settings from the dead box. I want to move the display
adaptor, two servo control cards, and one I/O card from the dead box to the
new one. How do I find this information on this hard disk? (All the stuff
you'd normally find by right click on MY COMPUTER)

Karl

 
 
 

OT: find device drivers on dead computer

Post by Roy » Thu, 27 Nov 2003 03:24:26


The old computer won't boot, do you think it is the computer, the
hard drive or the OS that is the problem? Can you boot from a
floppy? Can you boot off the hard drive when moved to another
computer?

If the OS is Windows 95 or later, just install the cards in the
new box and let Plug and Pray do it's thing. When it comes up and
asks for software drivers, you can aim it to the 'D' drive. It
will likely burp and ask for specific file names. Do a search on
that name on D:\ and you may be good to go.

Another option if it is Win 95 or later is to just reload the OS
(assumes you have a copy of the OS from some other source) This
will clean up most of the problems and give you a running system.

Quote:

> The process control computer for my new (to me) Mazak lathe won't boot.
> Bought it that way with no backups :(

> I put the hard disk out of the dead box in another 'puter and I can access
> the data as the D:\ drive. I'd like to find the device drivers and,
> hopefully, the IRQ settings from the dead box. I want to move the display
> adaptor, two servo control cards, and one I/O card from the dead box to the
> new one. How do I find this information on this hard disk? (All the stuff
> you'd normally find by right click on MY COMPUTER)

> Karl


 
 
 

OT: find device drivers on dead computer

Post by Spehro Pefhan » Thu, 27 Nov 2003 01:38:35


On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:07:28 GMT, the renowned "Karl Townsend"

Quote:

>The process control computer for my new (to me) Mazak lathe won't boot.
>Bought it that way with no backups :(

>I put the hard disk out of the dead box in another 'puter and I can access
>the data as the D:\ drive. I'd like to find the device drivers and,
>hopefully, the IRQ settings from the dead box. I want to move the display
>adaptor, two servo control cards, and one I/O card from the dead box to the
>new one. How do I find this information on this hard disk? (All the stuff
>you'd normally find by right click on MY COMPUTER)

What O/S was running on the old computer? For example, in the root
D:\, do you see WINNT (NT or Win2K) or Windows (Win95 or Win98)?

If there's a file called autoexec.bat file in the root, what is in it?

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OT: find device drivers on dead computer

Post by Marv Solof » Thu, 27 Nov 2003 01:46:46


The simple way, if you can do it, is to boot into the machine using a
boot disk.  Many people use Disk 1 of the MSDOS 6.22 4 disk set, then
push F3 to drop into an "A" prompt. If you can do this, you have half a
chance of getting into your "C" drive.

Regards,

Marv

Quote:

> The process control computer for my new (to me) Mazak lathe won't boot.
> Bought it that way with no backups :(

> I put the hard disk out of the dead box in another 'puter and I can access
> the data as the D:\ drive. I'd like to find the device drivers and,
> hopefully, the IRQ settings from the dead box. I want to move the display
> adaptor, two servo control cards, and one I/O card from the dead box to the
> new one. How do I find this information on this hard disk? (All the stuff
> you'd normally find by right click on MY COMPUTER)

> Karl

 
 
 

OT: find device drivers on dead computer

Post by Karl Townsen » Thu, 27 Nov 2003 03:13:42


Quote:
> What O/S was running on the old computer? For example, in the root
> D:\, do you see WINNT (NT or Win2K) or Windows (Win95 or Win98)?

Win 98 machine both old box and new box.

Quote:
> If there's a file called autoexec.bat file in the root, what is in it?

 the there's one command "set as3000 = C:\as3000" , no help here.

I found the driver for the video card on the internet and have it running.
There was a name on the card - google to the rescue. This was a biggy as I
know Camsoft needs certain video cards to even try it.

For the other queries, The old box wouldn't do a thing, no POST, no boot
from floppy, nothing. As the new box has all different hardware, I'm leary
of using the old HD as a boot disk. Could try it as a last resort, may***
up more things than help. The last time I changed CMOS and jumpers etc., I
killed the whole computer.

I'd still like to learn about those three other cards, drivers, IRQs etc.

Karl

 
 
 

OT: find device drivers on dead computer

Post by Bob Ma » Thu, 27 Nov 2003 03:33:48


Actually, the IRQs and so forth are unique only on the cards installed.
There are a number of the items that are on the MB but those are the same
for all MBs.
The OS may have references to those items but since they are defined in the
cards installed, it really won't matter about the numbers in the registery.
I'll note that changing a MB can and will cause problems with OSs like
windoz 95 and up as they seem to want a particular chipset for the control
stuff to run right.

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OT: find device drivers on dead computer

Post by Howard Eisenhau » Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:15:33


Go surfing for a progarm called "wdrvbck1.exe".  It may require the use
of  a boot disk to get the OS (I'm assuming windows) running off of the
old hard drive.


: The process control computer for my new (to me) Mazak lathe won't boot.
: Bought it that way with no backups :(

: I put the hard disk out of the dead box in another 'puter and I can access
: the data as the D:\ drive. I'd like to find the device drivers and,
: hopefully, the IRQ settings from the dead box. I want to move the display
: adaptor, two servo control cards, and one I/O card from the dead box to the
: new one. How do I find this information on this hard disk? (All the stuff
: you'd normally find by right click on MY COMPUTER)

: Karl

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OT: find device drivers on dead computer

Post by Thomas Kendric » Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:08:36


I exchanged Win98 hard drives between two systems this afternoon.
I recommend that you copy the WIN98 folder from the CD to the hard
drive if there is room. The P-n-P does work fairly well.



Quote:
>Actually, the IRQs and so forth are unique only on the cards installed.
>There are a number of the items that are on the MB but those are the same
>for all MBs.
>The OS may have references to those items but since they are defined in the
>cards installed, it really won't matter about the numbers in the registery.
>I'll note that changing a MB can and will cause problems with OSs like
>windoz 95 and up as they seem to want a particular chipset for the control
>stuff to run right.

 
 
 

OT: find device drivers on dead computer

Post by Alan Innes » Thu, 27 Nov 2003 14:22:10


Karl,  Camsoft store all the configuration for your system in a .CBK
file in the C:\galiloi directory, if the cards are PCI type they will
be PnP , if they are ISA they will be manually addressed and the
configuration will be in the CBK file. Do you have the Setup.exe file
in the Camsoft directory? , if so if you run this you will see a
development menu and a lot of the configuration and you can also edit
the operator interface if you need to!.
If you have the original Camsoft CD and intend reloading the software
you should make a back up of the CBK files while you can, as one of
them will pertain to your machine and might be called Mazak.cbk for
e.g. and this is the only file that you cannot get from Camsoft as it
was created by whoever retrofitted your machine. ( unless it was
Camsoft themselves).
If you do re-install the software, you would then have to run
setup.exe and then do a RESTORE from the menu that comes up and  point
to the relevent cbk file to restore from.
How come you have two servo cards? How many axis are there?
First I would recommend installing the old hard drive in the new
computer if it is still OK and make that the C: drive again.
I would also suggest making a verbatim copy of your HD including
Windows registry, just in case you get a HD crash down the road.
Also try and get an upgrade to Win98se if you do not already have it.
hope this helps.
Alan Inness

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:07:28 GMT, "Karl Townsend"

Quote:

>The process control computer for my new (to me) Mazak lathe won't boot.
>Bought it that way with no backups :(

>I put the hard disk out of the dead box in another 'puter and I can access
>the data as the D:\ drive. I'd like to find the device drivers and,
>hopefully, the IRQ settings from the dead box. I want to move the display
>adaptor, two servo control cards, and one I/O card from the dead box to the
>new one. How do I find this information on this hard disk? (All the stuff
>you'd normally find by right click on MY COMPUTER)

>Karl

 
 
 

OT: find device drivers on dead computer

Post by Alan Innes » Thu, 27 Nov 2003 14:28:52


BTW the AS3000 refers to Camsoft 'Advanced System 3000' CadCam
software. You probabally have a copy of this with the CNC s/w.
Alan Inness


Quote:

>On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:07:28 GMT, "Karl Townsend"

>>The process control computer for my new (to me) Mazak lathe won't boot.
>>Bought it that way with no backups :(

 
 
 

OT: find device drivers on dead computer

Post by Alan Woo » Thu, 27 Nov 2003 14:56:12


Karl,
Back that old machines drive up first!  Particularly before trying to use it
as a boot disk.  Getting the rest of the drivers of of the hard drive will
be difficult at best.  Drat I don't have a win9x machine handy anymore.  But
you may find a drivers directory in the windows directory tree of the old
machines drive. Copying them to the same place on the new machine,
installing the relevant cards and rebooting may help but may not.  Ah before
trying this back both drives up.   However if I remember correctly 98 was
pretty good about drastic hardware changes like this.  Many boots sometimes
to get it all but it usually worked.  One anoying gotcha though.  Changing
the motherboard will force the reinstallation of the drivers, all of them.
If the driver manufacturer did it correctly the driver will be on the old
machines c: drive and all will be well.  If they didn't it will ask for a
driver installation disk!   Wish I could help you more but you have a tough
one on your hands here.  What cards do you need the drivers for any way?
Alan Wood


Quote:

> > What O/S was running on the old computer? For example, in the root
> > D:\, do you see WINNT (NT or Win2K) or Windows (Win95 or Win98)?

> Win 98 machine both old box and new box.

> > If there's a file called autoexec.bat file in the root, what is in it?
>  the there's one command "set as3000 = C:\as3000" , no help here.

> I found the driver for the video card on the internet and have it running.
> There was a name on the card - google to the rescue. This was a biggy as I
> know Camsoft needs certain video cards to even try it.

> For the other queries, The old box wouldn't do a thing, no POST, no boot
> from floppy, nothing. As the new box has all different hardware, I'm leary
> of using the old HD as a boot disk. Could try it as a last resort, may
***
> up more things than help. The last time I changed CMOS and jumpers etc., I
> killed the whole computer.

> I'd still like to learn about those three other cards, drivers, IRQs etc.

> Karl

 
 
 

OT: find device drivers on dead computer

Post by Karl Townsen » Fri, 28 Nov 2003 00:40:34


GREAT,
 Did I just find someone else that has Camsoft??  If so, can I ask you
questions directly?

I dug around in all the old correspondence from Camsoft on my machine. They
originally supplied three ISA cards, one I/O, and one driver card for each
axis. It didn't work so they exchanged the driver cards for PCI cards, one
for each axis. Looks like I have the oldest PCI driver cards in existence -
they talk about getting a special new driver for these new cards.

I be doing all you suggested today, me thinks the only way I'm getting that
driver is off the old HD. Backup everything twice before i start.

Karl

 
 
 

OT: find device drivers on dead computer

Post by Alan Innes » Fri, 28 Nov 2003 01:50:11


Karl, What is the model number(s) on the servo cards? I  do not know
why they used separate cards as Galil cards have up to 8 axis on a
card, even the old ISA cards.
One word of advice about the CBK files, is that Camsoft supply some
samples for the machine tool builder (lathe.cbk,  mill.cbk etc) and
usually the machine tool builder will use one of these as a basis to
build the unique interface, now if he does not save (backup) the cbk
file as something unique and you reload the Camsoft from an original
CD, Camsoft will over write your cbk file with the sample version, so
make sure that you can identify if possible YOUR cbk file, look for
the one with the latest date for e.g. Back it up on a floppy.

Alan Inness

On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:40:34 GMT, "Karl Townsend"

Quote:

>GREAT,
> Did I just find someone else that has Camsoft??  If so, can I ask you
>questions directly?

>I dug around in all the old correspondence from Camsoft on my machine. They
>originally supplied three ISA cards, one I/O, and one driver card for each
>axis. It didn't work so they exchanged the driver cards for PCI cards, one
>for each axis. Looks like I have the oldest PCI driver cards in existence -
>they talk about getting a special new driver for these new cards.

>I be doing all you suggested today, me thinks the only way I'm getting that
>driver is off the old HD. Backup everything twice before i start.

>Karl

 
 
 

OT: find device drivers on dead computer

Post by Jim Coop » Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:47:33


Quote:

> Karl, What is the model number(s) on the servo cards? I  do not know
> why they used separate cards as Galil cards have up to 8 axis on a
> card, even the old ISA cards.
> One word of advice about the CBK files, is that Camsoft supply some
> samples for the machine tool builder (lathe.cbk,  mill.cbk etc) and
> usually the machine tool builder will use one of these as a basis to
> build the unique interface, now if he does not save (backup) the cbk
> file as something unique and you reload the Camsoft from an original
> CD, Camsoft will over write your cbk file with the sample version, so
> make sure that you can identify if possible YOUR cbk file, look for
> the one with the latest date for e.g. Back it up on a floppy.

> Alan Inness

> On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:40:34 GMT, "Karl Townsend"

> >GREAT,
> > Did I just find someone else that has Camsoft??  If so, can I ask you
> >questions directly?

> >I dug around in all the old correspondence from Camsoft on my machine. They
> >originally supplied three ISA cards, one I/O, and one driver card for each
> >axis. It didn't work so they exchanged the driver cards for PCI cards, one
> >for each axis. Looks like I have the oldest PCI driver cards in existence -
> >they talk about getting a special new driver for these new cards.

> >I be doing all you suggested today, me thinks the only way I'm getting that
> >driver is off the old HD. Backup everything twice before i start.

> >Karl

Hi Karl,

I answered one of your other post, but I forgot to get to my point.  I
noticed you are doing a CamSoft retrofit.  I am pretty good at CamSoft
and I want to become a dealer for them.  I do agree that everything is
configurable and that's actually what makes this package better than
the rest.  I can do almost anything I want, I would highly recommend
it.  They are a great group of guys, I get good support, but if you
ever need some logic help or customizing a screen I can offer my
services to you. I don't charge very much.

Jim