Used Fadal 5020 et al

Used Fadal 5020 et al

Post by Existential Angs » Wed, 07 Sep 2011 10:27:23



Awl --

I'm in the market for a 50" (X) VMC, used, not exactly sure of the best
strategy(s) for getting one, as "used" always seemed a dicey proposition to
me.

The fadal dealer (MidAtlantic CNC, in NJ)  had a 5020, rahcheer in NY, but
it's gone, altho there are a bunch of google hits for 5020s.
Should I just let MidAtlantic sleuth one down?  Should I contact various
used machinery dealers, like Kevin Murphy et al?  I don't mind MidAtlantic
marking it up, or fixing it up if nec,  if they can give me a good warrantee
on the unit.

Ultimately I think I would have to have MidAtlantic check the machine out,
but even that's problematic, if the machine is in CA or sumpn....    Just
how does one *reliably* check out a machine 3,000 miles away??
And what would shipping be, approx??  Proly at least a few thou?

I don't have to have a Fadal 5020, but I already have a 3016, and the
controllers are near-identical, which is a very convenient thing, esp. for
my existing 4th axis...
But in principle, ANY 50" would do, including a new Hurco that I saw at
Eastec, that would fit in my limited remaining space OK...

But these 5020 fadals are under $30K, AND with no learning curve.  The Hurco
would be nice, but with a substantial monthly nut, and apparently requiring
more than my rpc, like a PhasePerfect for $5+K.  The fadals run very well
off an rpc.  Plus, I don't really need sophistication or new-new precision.

Haas would be OK, but they seem to have one helluva footprint, including
big-time ceiling requirements, if I've read the dimensional specs right.
Plus, when you buy a Haas, the G-codes you are "allotted" seems to be like
being dealt a hand in a poker game.   You might wind up with G2 but no
G3....    goodgawd....

I have an idea for Haas:   supply ALL the g-codes, macros, but make the
effing controller coin-operated....

Idears, advice, links, leads??
--
EA

 
 
 

Used Fadal 5020 et al

Post by cncmillgi » Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:35:20



Quote:
> Awl --

> I'm in the market for a 50" (X) VMC, used, not exactly sure of the best
> strategy(s) for getting one, as "used" always seemed a dicey proposition to
> me.

> The fadal dealer (MidAtlantic CNC, in NJ) ?had a 5020, rahcheer in NY, but
> it's gone, altho there are a bunch of google hits for 5020s.
> Should I just let MidAtlantic sleuth one down? ?Should I contact various
> used machinery dealers, like Kevin Murphy et al? ?I don't mind MidAtlantic
> marking it up, or fixing it up if nec, ?if they can give me a good warrantee
> on the unit.

> Ultimately I think I would have to have MidAtlantic check the machine out,
> but even that's problematic, if the machine is in CA or sumpn.... ? ?Just
> how does one *reliably* check out a machine 3,000 miles away??
> And what would shipping be, approx?? ?Proly at least a few thou?

> I don't have to have a Fadal 5020, but I already have a 3016, and the
> controllers are near-identical, which is a very convenient thing, esp. for
> my existing 4th axis...
> But in principle, ANY 50" would do, including a new Hurco that I saw at
> Eastec, that would fit in my limited remaining space OK...

> But these 5020 fadals are under $30K, AND with no learning curve. ?The Hurco
> would be nice, but with a substantial monthly nut, and apparently requiring
> more than my rpc, like a PhasePerfect for $5+K. ?The fadals run very well
> off an rpc. ?Plus, I don't really need sophistication or new-new precision.

> Haas would be OK, but they seem to have one helluva footprint, including
> big-time ceiling requirements, if I've read the dimensional specs right.
> Plus, when you buy a Haas, the G-codes you are "allotted" seems to be like
> being dealt a hand in a poker game. ? You might wind up with G2 but no
> G3.... ? ?goodgawd....

> I have an idea for Haas: ? supply ALL the g-codes, macros, but make the
> effing controller coin-operated....

> Idears, advice, links, leads??
> --
> EA

Coin opp controled!!!!!!!!!,............. ya like video arcade. thats
the ticket!
Unload the drawers every so often ........
ie: download the activity from your computer chair (swipe card/ 3D
retna scan security) & hi ho hi ho its off to the bank you go.

so its price  per hr will be 25
its price per/hr with help  50
its price per/hr "us" doing it for you will be  100

of course rentee/RENTOR  will assume ALL responsibly for tooling/
mishaps & machine repair. You break it You buy it.

ya............... renta CNC center ...............

they had something like that for fixing your car......lifts-tools
inside. But damn, they went under. I think after someone was under
their car<g>

EA, ya'll amaze me.(Paula Dean) hehehehehe  Ya'll!

~g~

 
 
 

Used Fadal 5020 et al

Post by MadHatte » Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:58:19



Quote:

> Haas would be OK, but they seem to have one helluva footprint, including
> big-time ceiling requirements, if I've read the dimensional specs right.
> Plus, when you buy a Haas, the G-codes you are "allotted" seems to be like
> being dealt a hand in a poker game. ? You might wind up with G2 but no
> G3.... ? ?goodgawd....

> I have an idea for Haas: ? supply ALL the g-codes, macros, but make the
> effing controller coin-operated....

> Idears, advice, links, leads??
> --
> EA

I'm curious where you found a machine with no G3.  Maybe you're
exaggerating to make a point.  If so, then what codes are actually
missing?
 
 
 

Used Fadal 5020 et al

Post by cncmillgi » Tue, 13 Sep 2011 01:26:11



Quote:

> > Haas would be OK, but they seem to have one helluva footprint, including
> > big-time ceiling requirements, if I've read the dimensional specs right.
> > Plus, when you buy a Haas, the G-codes you are "allotted" seems to be like
> > being dealt a hand in a poker game. ? You might wind up with G2 but no
> > G3.... ? ?goodgawd....

> > I have an idea for Haas: ? supply ALL the g-codes, macros, but make the
> > effing controller coin-operated....

> > Idears, advice, links, leads??
> > --
> > EA

> I'm curious where you found a machine with no G3. ?Maybe you're
> exaggerating to make a point. ?If so, then what codes are actually
> missing?

No gcodes? Hurco's don't need no stinkin gcodes...........
all PROPRIETARY windows based code. Fastest damn machine on the planet
for : start to part(simple stuff now)
Facing, Pocketing, 2.5D sweeps, drilling ect. which is about
80-90% ??? of most basic work.
All said & done , its a VW  compared to a Porchse. Sound the same,
does the same, only allot slower on the hair pin turns.
We wont talk about their new SR series 5X!!!! (tilting trunnion rotary)
+tilting L-R 90deg tilt head. saaaaaaaaaaaaweeeeeeeeeeeeeeT!
Because everybody & their brother is cutting impeller blades now days.

ATT HURCO reps:
I'm available for paypal donations readily accepted. LOL

~g~