OT: my poor old house in NY (long)

OT: my poor old house in NY (long)

Post by drm.. » Tue, 13 Apr 1999 04:00:00



We just got back from upstate NY, where we own a house that we're
putting up for sale.  We lived there '90-93, bought the house at the
peak of housing prices (unbeknownst to us!) and could not afford to
take the loss when it came time to move (Navy-transferred).  so, we've
been renting it out (at a loss) for 6 years, hoping the real estate
market would improve enough for us to break even.  It hasn't, but
we've had enough of being long-distance landlords, and are biting the
bullet.  We've had 2 sets of tenants, and the first family took pretty
good care of the house, no major mishaps, and got their whole security
deposit back.  The second family, well, that's a whole 'nother story.

DH knew the guy from the Navy (stationed together in Va) and says he
was very responsible, nice guy, etc.  They had 3 kids at the time, no
pets, and in exchange for an extremely generous discount on their
rent, were eager to do all the little handyman type jobs on the house,
so we wouldn't have to pay someone.  (we're talking $200-300 less than
what we could rent it out for)  My house (our first!) had beautiful
stained woodwork all through it, windows, doors, baseboards.  Gorgeous
walnut cabinets in the kitchen.  Entire house professionally painted
before the second family moved in 3 yrs ago.  Fortunately, I took
pictures.

The entire time they lived there, it was one complaint after another.
First, because the utility bills were too high for them (she kept the
thermostats on 75 degrees and the front door open in Jan).  Then,
constant little problems like having to replace the valve in the
toilet tank (you know, the $3 part and 5 min of your time).  The
dishwasher broke right after they moved in, so we replaced it.  They
broke the attic stairs, we replaced those.  Lightning supposedly hit
the house and damaged both garage door openers; I replaced one.  On
and on.  We were quite happy that their lease was coming to an end,
and refused to renew it, when the guy's orders were changed to delay
their leaving by a few months.

So, we go up there last week to see the house and do any needed work
to get it ready to sell.  Tenant is very eager to be there for the
walk-through, says the only problem is the kitchen floor (which was
showing some wear before they moved in, and we'd planned to replace
anyway).  We walk into the house (family has moved out Mar 20, we get
there April 3, he's had 2 weeks to clean up, etc.)  What a disaster!
I cannot even imagine living in a house like that, much less doing the
kind of damage they did and took for granted.  Every single wall had
been written on with crayon, pencil, magic marker, etc.  All the
cabinets had large gouges out of them and were just plain ***,
inside and out.  Windowsills all had deep scratches in them, and even
teeth marks in both the kids' bedrooms.   (BTW, since they moved in,
they had another kid, and have a 5th on the way, and she says she's
not done, because God and the Navy will take care of them.)  Baseboard
molding broken in several places, corners of walls completely bare of
drywall.  All the flower beds completely torn up, in spite of me
putting edgings around them all 2 yrs ago.  Entire yard covered in
leaves (these fell back in the fall, remember?)  Oil spilled in the
garage, not a little leak from a car, but poured over shelves in the
corner.  Banister pulled out of the wall on the stairs.  Towel rack
in the bathroom pulled out of the wall.  cobwebs everywhere, windows
probably hadn't been washed since they moved in.
Master bedroom carpet has about 12 inch red nail polish on it.  Tenant
had asked to paint the MBR since he didn't like our color (pale peach)
and agreed to paint it back to a neutral color when he left.  Since
his choice had been candy pink, we had insisted on the "return to
neutral".  He painted right over the outlets, switch plate, etc.
Spattered paint on the door, baseboard, windowframes and carpet.
One toilet tank lid broken by 1/3.  Large holes spackled in at least 5
walls.  NONE of the nail holes from pictures had been spackled (more
about that later)  dirt all over all the walls.

We were stunned, to say the least.  He fully expected to be getting
his deposit back.  He kept saying, "this is normal wear and tear with
4 kids". Dh's response was "No way.  Four kids is not normal (*no
offense to anyone with lots of kids- we wish we could have more! but
it's not the usual nowadays).  We have 6 pets, which is also not
normal, so we've made sure when we rented that we took extra care that
they didn't cause problems"  Guy had no idea how the toilet broke, or
how the teeth marks got in the windowsills.  He defended the cabinets
by saying, "these are old cabinets.  we didn't cause any of this."  My
answer to that was "they sure are old.  They're 20 years old, and 3
yrs ago they still looked almost brand new.  I have the pictures to
prove it.  How come you could do in 3 yrs what 17 years of other
owners (with kids, too) didn't?"  Oh, the brand new dishwasher now
looks to be about 10 yrs old, as a neighbor guessed.  Scratched,
dented, *** dirty.

Well, after getting rid of the tenant, DH and I rolled up our
shirtsleeves, accepted a good bit of sympathy from the neighbors (who
had all kinds of stories about them), and got to work.  We only had 4
days, 'cuz it takes 2 days to drive up and 2 days to drive back, and
DH flies out tomorrow for deployment in Puerto Rico.  This was our
vacation, done on DS's spring break.

I started spackling all the nail holes.  The first room I did, our
family room, had been used by "mom" as her home school room.  I
stopped counting after 129 holes in that room.  Actually, it's
probably all the posters that kept the walls from getting dirty...no,
that's right, they were still *** somehow.  guess they couldn't
afford paper, so they wrote on the walls!  Then tried to wash it, and
it all ran down the wall.

In 4 days, working all day long, DH and I painted the entire house
ourselves, with me doing all the trim work and him using the Wagner
PaintMate (a must for painting!).  I also cleaned the cabinets, which
alone made a big difference, but also repaired the gouges with wood
putty, sanded them down with steel wool, restained, and oiled the
finish.  They look beautiful again, too bad they're not for me!  I
removed, washed and replaced every single outlet/switch plate in the
house. I washed every window. I sanded down all the window sills and
restained them.  We replaced a good bit of the baseboard, cleaned off
all the paint spatters the tenant had made.  Oh, and I spent a good
part of one day just removing scotch tape and double sided tape from
walls.  Wonderful!  We also sanded down and repainted the garage doors
and the front door, and opened and cleaned the inground pool.  Also
cleaned out the pool house of junk that was left behind.

When we left, it looked pretty good again.  A new kitchen floor will
go in next week, and I have someone to do the yard (wanted to do it
myself, but there just wasn't time).  Now, hopefully it will sell
quickly (no profit here, still a huge loss, but better than an ongoing
drain, both financially and emotionally).  One positive thing, since
the tenant is in the Navy, it won't be hard to  collect any further
money from them for damages, once we get all the bills sorted out.
The security deposit doesn't even begin to cover it.

And, I guess life is a little fair after all.  We found out they moved
into an apartment.  They're paying almost the same they were paying to
us, and they have a 2 bedroom apt (with 5 kids).  The tenant kept
saying he'd saved us all kinds of money over the years by fixing
things in this "dump" as he called it.  Other than the toilet valve,
everything else he tried to fix, he actually made worse, and we ended
up with some pretty hefty plumber and electrician bills.  Like when he
waited 30 days to call me about the kitchen sink leaking, and then
mentioned, oh, btw, the entire floor of your cabinet is rotting from
the water damage.  I tried to fix the leak but I can't. "  Ever hear
of a bucket??

Oh, I'm sorry this is so long.  I just had to vent somewhere.  I just
can't believe people can be so disrespectful of others' property, and
then have the nerve to think they're getting their deposit back.  And
the stories I heard from the neighbors.  I feel sorry for the kids;
they roamed the neighborhood unsupervised as soon as they could walk
(all are under age 6)  Fortunately, it's very safe there, and the
neighbors watched out for them.

Sorry for the rant!
Karen

 
 
 

OT: my poor old house in NY (long)

Post by Ellen in New Englan » Tue, 13 Apr 1999 04:00:00


I hear too many of these stories to ever want to rent out my property. Which
is too bad for the responsible people who do need to rent.

I've had many friends and relatives go thru the same agony.

Sorry you had to mess with it all. I hate doing all the stuff you had to do,
but it is worse when you aren't even going to live there.

LN


Quote:
>We just got back from upstate NY, where we own a house that we're
>putting up for sale.  We lived there '90-93, bought the house at the
>peak of housing prices (unbeknownst to us!) and could not afford to
>take the loss when it came time to move (Navy-transferred).  so, we've
>been renting it out (at a loss) for 6 years, hoping the real estate
>market would improve enough for us to break even.  It hasn't, but
>we've had enough of being long-distance landlords, and are biting the
>bullet.  We've had 2 sets of tenants, and the first family took pretty
>good care of the house, no major mishaps, and got their whole security
>deposit back.  The second family, well, that's a whole 'nother story.
[snip]
>Sorry for the rant!
>Karen


 
 
 

OT: my poor old house in NY (long)

Post by Sally S. Frave » Tue, 13 Apr 1999 04:00:00


whooooaaaaahhhhh....i don't blame you in the least for the ranting...i'd
have probably killed....can't believe the guy wanted to be around for
the walk thru...and i do hope you have pictures.

don't know what to tell you about the rest. sounds like you had one heck
of a vacation....and i don't blame you for deciding to take a loss and
get rid of the house. nothing like being long distant landlords.

Hopefully the Navy will help you get all additional money due you...for
repairs, etc. good luck..

:) sally
(who can't believe the things people do..no wonder my landlord isn't
raising our rents here...the place is in much better condition than when
we moved in and they have noticed that...now if it would just grow a
couple rooms...can't build, it's a townhouse in an apt complex..:)

Quote:

> We just got back from upstate NY, where we own a house that we're
> putting up for sale.  We lived there '90-93, bought the house at the
> peak of housing prices (unbeknownst to us!) and could not afford to
> take the loss when it came time to move (Navy-transferred).  so, we've
> been renting it out (at a loss) for 6 years, hoping the real estate
> market would improve enough for us to break even.  It hasn't, but
> we've had enough of being long-distance landlords, and are biting the
> bullet.  We've had 2 sets of tenants, and the first family took pretty
> good care of the house, no major mishaps, and got their whole security
> deposit back.  The second family, well, that's a whole 'nother story.

> DH knew the guy from the Navy (stationed together in Va) and says he
> was very responsible, nice guy, etc.  They had 3 kids at the time, no
> pets, and in exchange for an extremely generous discount on their
> rent, were eager to do all the little handyman type jobs on the house,
> so we wouldn't have to pay someone.  (we're talking $200-300 less than
> what we could rent it out for)  My house (our first!) had beautiful
> stained woodwork all through it, windows, doors, baseboards.  Gorgeous
> walnut cabinets in the kitchen.  Entire house professionally painted
> before the second family moved in 3 yrs ago.  Fortunately, I took
> pictures.

> The entire time they lived there, it was one complaint after another.
> First, because the utility bills were too high for them (she kept the
> thermostats on 75 degrees and the front door open in Jan).  Then,
> constant little problems like having to replace the valve in the
> toilet tank (you know, the $3 part and 5 min of your time).  The
> dishwasher broke right after they moved in, so we replaced it.  They
> broke the attic stairs, we replaced those.  Lightning supposedly hit
> the house and damaged both garage door openers; I replaced one.  On
> and on.  We were quite happy that their lease was coming to an end,
> and refused to renew it, when the guy's orders were changed to delay
> their leaving by a few months.

> So, we go up there last week to see the house and do any needed work
> to get it ready to sell.  Tenant is very eager to be there for the
> walk-through, says the only problem is the kitchen floor (which was
> showing some wear before they moved in, and we'd planned to replace
> anyway).  We walk into the house (family has moved out Mar 20, we get
> there April 3, he's had 2 weeks to clean up, etc.)  What a disaster!
> I cannot even imagine living in a house like that, much less doing the
> kind of damage they did and took for granted.  Every single wall had
> been written on with crayon, pencil, magic marker, etc.  All the
> cabinets had large gouges out of them and were just plain ***,
> inside and out.  Windowsills all had deep scratches in them, and even
> teeth marks in both the kids' bedrooms.   (BTW, since they moved in,
> they had another kid, and have a 5th on the way, and she says she's
> not done, because God and the Navy will take care of them.)  Baseboard
> molding broken in several places, corners of walls completely bare of
> drywall.  All the flower beds completely torn up, in spite of me
> putting edgings around them all 2 yrs ago.  Entire yard covered in
> leaves (these fell back in the fall, remember?)  Oil spilled in the
> garage, not a little leak from a car, but poured over shelves in the
> corner.  Banister pulled out of the wall on the stairs.  Towel rack
> in the bathroom pulled out of the wall.  cobwebs everywhere, windows
> probably hadn't been washed since they moved in.
> Master bedroom carpet has about 12 inch red nail polish on it.  Tenant
> had asked to paint the MBR since he didn't like our color (pale peach)
> and agreed to paint it back to a neutral color when he left.  Since
> his choice had been candy pink, we had insisted on the "return to
> neutral".  He painted right over the outlets, switch plate, etc.
> Spattered paint on the door, baseboard, windowframes and carpet.
> One toilet tank lid broken by 1/3.  Large holes spackled in at least 5
> walls.  NONE of the nail holes from pictures had been spackled (more
> about that later)  dirt all over all the walls.

> We were stunned, to say the least.  He fully expected to be getting
> his deposit back.  He kept saying, "this is normal wear and tear with
> 4 kids". Dh's response was "No way.  Four kids is not normal (*no
> offense to anyone with lots of kids- we wish we could have more! but
> it's not the usual nowadays).  We have 6 pets, which is also not
> normal, so we've made sure when we rented that we took extra care that
> they didn't cause problems"  Guy had no idea how the toilet broke, or
> how the teeth marks got in the windowsills.  He defended the cabinets
> by saying, "these are old cabinets.  we didn't cause any of this."  My
> answer to that was "they sure are old.  They're 20 years old, and 3
> yrs ago they still looked almost brand new.  I have the pictures to
> prove it.  How come you could do in 3 yrs what 17 years of other
> owners (with kids, too) didn't?"  Oh, the brand new dishwasher now
> looks to be about 10 yrs old, as a neighbor guessed.  Scratched,
> dented, *** dirty.

> Well, after getting rid of the tenant, DH and I rolled up our
> shirtsleeves, accepted a good bit of sympathy from the neighbors (who
> had all kinds of stories about them), and got to work.  We only had 4
> days, 'cuz it takes 2 days to drive up and 2 days to drive back, and
> DH flies out tomorrow for deployment in Puerto Rico.  This was our
> vacation, done on DS's spring break.

> I started spackling all the nail holes.  The first room I did, our
> family room, had been used by "mom" as her home school room.  I
> stopped counting after 129 holes in that room.  Actually, it's
> probably all the posters that kept the walls from getting dirty...no,
> that's right, they were still *** somehow.  guess they couldn't
> afford paper, so they wrote on the walls!  Then tried to wash it, and
> it all ran down the wall.

> In 4 days, working all day long, DH and I painted the entire house
> ourselves, with me doing all the trim work and him using the Wagner
> PaintMate (a must for painting!).  I also cleaned the cabinets, which
> alone made a big difference, but also repaired the gouges with wood
> putty, sanded them down with steel wool, restained, and oiled the
> finish.  They look beautiful again, too bad they're not for me!  I
> removed, washed and replaced every single outlet/switch plate in the
> house. I washed every window. I sanded down all the window sills and
> restained them.  We replaced a good bit of the baseboard, cleaned off
> all the paint spatters the tenant had made.  Oh, and I spent a good
> part of one day just removing scotch tape and double sided tape from
> walls.  Wonderful!  We also sanded down and repainted the garage doors
> and the front door, and opened and cleaned the inground pool.  Also
> cleaned out the pool house of junk that was left behind.

> When we left, it looked pretty good again.  A new kitchen floor will
> go in next week, and I have someone to do the yard (wanted to do it
> myself, but there just wasn't time).  Now, hopefully it will sell
> quickly (no profit here, still a huge loss, but better than an ongoing
> drain, both financially and emotionally).  One positive thing, since
> the tenant is in the Navy, it won't be hard to  collect any further
> money from them for damages, once we get all the bills sorted out.
> The security deposit doesn't even begin to cover it.

> And, I guess life is a little fair after all.  We found out they moved
> into an apartment.  They're paying almost the same they were paying to
> us, and they have a 2 bedroom apt (with 5 kids).  The tenant kept
> saying he'd saved us all kinds of money over the years by fixing
> things in this "dump" as he called it.  Other than the toilet valve,
> everything else he tried to fix, he actually made worse, and we ended
> up with some pretty hefty plumber and electrician bills.  Like when he
> waited 30 days to call me about the kitchen sink leaking, and then
> mentioned, oh, btw, the entire floor of your cabinet is rotting from
> the water damage.  I tried to fix the leak but I can't. "  Ever hear
> of a bucket??

> Oh, I'm sorry this is so long.  I just had to vent somewhere.  I just
> can't believe people can be so disrespectful of others' property, and
> then have the nerve to think they're getting their deposit back.  And
> the stories I heard from the neighbors.  I feel sorry for the kids;
> they roamed the neighborhood unsupervised as soon as they could walk
> (all are under age 6)  Fortunately, it's very safe there, and the
> neighbors watched out for them.

> Sorry for the rant!
> Karen

 
 
 

OT: my poor old house in NY (long)

Post by Imapear » Tue, 13 Apr 1999 04:00:00


I am so sorry for your horrid experience.  I can't imagine what a heartbreak
it must have been to walk in and see your house look like that.  I am
emotionally attached to my house.  My DH and I discussed renting out our
house before moving here, but to be honest, I could never have let anyone
else live in it.  I was too afraid of the experience you had, so we sold it
(at a loss), to move here.

We have four kids, and yes, they do take a toll on the house, but nothing
like what you have described.  The only real problem we have with the kids
and the walls are hand prints around the corners.  For some reason, two of
my sons cannot go around a corner without holding on!

I hope you sell it quickly and don't lose too much.
Pearl


Quote:
>We just got back from upstate NY, where we own a house that we're
>putting up for sale.  We lived there '90-93, bought the house at the
>peak of housing prices (unbeknownst to us!) and could not afford to
>take the loss when it came time to move (Navy-transferred).  so, we've
>been renting it out (at a loss) for 6 years, hoping the real estate
>market would improve enough for us to break even.  It hasn't, but
>we've had enough of being long-distance landlords, and are biting the
>bullet.  We've had 2 sets of tenants, and the first family took pretty
>good care of the house, no major mishaps, and got their whole security
>deposit back.  The second family, well, that's a whole 'nother story.

>DH knew the guy from the Navy (stationed together in Va) and says he
>was very responsible, nice guy, etc.  They had 3 kids at the time, no
>pets, and in exchange for an extremely generous discount on their
>rent, were eager to do all the little handyman type jobs on the house,
>so we wouldn't have to pay someone.  (we're talking $200-300 less than
>what we could rent it out for)  My house (our first!) had beautiful
>stained woodwork all through it, windows, doors, baseboards.  Gorgeous
>walnut cabinets in the kitchen.  Entire house professionally painted
>before the second family moved in 3 yrs ago.  Fortunately, I took
>pictures.

>The entire time they lived there, it was one complaint after another.
>First, because the utility bills were too high for them (she kept the
>thermostats on 75 degrees and the front door open in Jan).  Then,
>constant little problems like having to replace the valve in the
>toilet tank (you know, the $3 part and 5 min of your time).  The
>dishwasher broke right after they moved in, so we replaced it.  They
>broke the attic stairs, we replaced those.  Lightning supposedly hit
>the house and damaged both garage door openers; I replaced one.  On
>and on.  We were quite happy that their lease was coming to an end,
>and refused to renew it, when the guy's orders were changed to delay
>their leaving by a few months.

>So, we go up there last week to see the house and do any needed work
>to get it ready to sell.  Tenant is very eager to be there for the
>walk-through, says the only problem is the kitchen floor (which was
>showing some wear before they moved in, and we'd planned to replace
>anyway).  We walk into the house (family has moved out Mar 20, we get
>there April 3, he's had 2 weeks to clean up, etc.)  What a disaster!
>I cannot even imagine living in a house like that, much less doing the
>kind of damage they did and took for granted.  Every single wall had
>been written on with crayon, pencil, magic marker, etc.  All the
>cabinets had large gouges out of them and were just plain ***,
>inside and out.  Windowsills all had deep scratches in them, and even
>teeth marks in both the kids' bedrooms.   (BTW, since they moved in,
>they had another kid, and have a 5th on the way, and she says she's
>not done, because God and the Navy will take care of them.)  Baseboard
>molding broken in several places, corners of walls completely bare of
>drywall.  All the flower beds completely torn up, in spite of me
>putting edgings around them all 2 yrs ago.  Entire yard covered in
>leaves (these fell back in the fall, remember?)  Oil spilled in the
>garage, not a little leak from a car, but poured over shelves in the
>corner.  Banister pulled out of the wall on the stairs.  Towel rack
>in the bathroom pulled out of the wall.  cobwebs everywhere, windows
>probably hadn't been washed since they moved in.
>Master bedroom carpet has about 12 inch red nail polish on it.  Tenant
>had asked to paint the MBR since he didn't like our color (pale peach)
>and agreed to paint it back to a neutral color when he left.  Since
>his choice had been candy pink, we had insisted on the "return to
>neutral".  He painted right over the outlets, switch plate, etc.
>Spattered paint on the door, baseboard, windowframes and carpet.
>One toilet tank lid broken by 1/3.  Large holes spackled in at least 5
>walls.  NONE of the nail holes from pictures had been spackled (more
>about that later)  dirt all over all the walls.

>We were stunned, to say the least.  He fully expected to be getting
>his deposit back.  He kept saying, "this is normal wear and tear with
>4 kids". Dh's response was "No way.  Four kids is not normal (*no
>offense to anyone with lots of kids- we wish we could have more! but
>it's not the usual nowadays).  We have 6 pets, which is also not
>normal, so we've made sure when we rented that we took extra care that
>they didn't cause problems"  Guy had no idea how the toilet broke, or
>how the teeth marks got in the windowsills.  He defended the cabinets
>by saying, "these are old cabinets.  we didn't cause any of this."  My
>answer to that was "they sure are old.  They're 20 years old, and 3
>yrs ago they still looked almost brand new.  I have the pictures to
>prove it.  How come you could do in 3 yrs what 17 years of other
>owners (with kids, too) didn't?"  Oh, the brand new dishwasher now
>looks to be about 10 yrs old, as a neighbor guessed.  Scratched,
>dented, *** dirty.

>Well, after getting rid of the tenant, DH and I rolled up our
>shirtsleeves, accepted a good bit of sympathy from the neighbors (who
>had all kinds of stories about them), and got to work.  We only had 4
>days, 'cuz it takes 2 days to drive up and 2 days to drive back, and
>DH flies out tomorrow for deployment in Puerto Rico.  This was our
>vacation, done on DS's spring break.

>I started spackling all the nail holes.  The first room I did, our
>family room, had been used by "mom" as her home school room.  I
>stopped counting after 129 holes in that room.  Actually, it's
>probably all the posters that kept the walls from getting dirty...no,
>that's right, they were still *** somehow.  guess they couldn't
>afford paper, so they wrote on the walls!  Then tried to wash it, and
>it all ran down the wall.

>In 4 days, working all day long, DH and I painted the entire house
>ourselves, with me doing all the trim work and him using the Wagner
>PaintMate (a must for painting!).  I also cleaned the cabinets, which
>alone made a big difference, but also repaired the gouges with wood
>putty, sanded them down with steel wool, restained, and oiled the
>finish.  They look beautiful again, too bad they're not for me!  I
>removed, washed and replaced every single outlet/switch plate in the
>house. I washed every window. I sanded down all the window sills and
>restained them.  We replaced a good bit of the baseboard, cleaned off
>all the paint spatters the tenant had made.  Oh, and I spent a good
>part of one day just removing scotch tape and double sided tape from
>walls.  Wonderful!  We also sanded down and repainted the garage doors
>and the front door, and opened and cleaned the inground pool.  Also
>cleaned out the pool house of junk that was left behind.

>When we left, it looked pretty good again.  A new kitchen floor will
>go in next week, and I have someone to do the yard (wanted to do it
>myself, but there just wasn't time).  Now, hopefully it will sell
>quickly (no profit here, still a huge loss, but better than an ongoing
>drain, both financially and emotionally).  One positive thing, since
>the tenant is in the Navy, it won't be hard to  collect any further
>money from them for damages, once we get all the bills sorted out.
>The security deposit doesn't even begin to cover it.

>And, I guess life is a little fair after all.  We found out they moved
>into an apartment.  They're paying almost the same they were paying to
>us, and they have a 2 bedroom apt (with 5 kids).  The tenant kept
>saying he'd saved us all kinds of money over the years by fixing
>things in this "dump" as he called it.  Other than the toilet valve,
>everything else he tried to fix, he actually made worse, and we ended
>up with some pretty hefty plumber and electrician bills.  Like when he
>waited 30 days to call me about the kitchen sink leaking, and then
>mentioned, oh, btw, the entire floor of your cabinet is rotting from
>the water damage.  I tried to fix the leak but I can't. "  Ever hear
>of a bucket??

>Oh, I'm sorry this is so long.  I just had to vent somewhere.  I just
>can't believe people can be so disrespectful of others' property, and
>then have the nerve to think they're getting their deposit back.  And
>the stories I heard from the neighbors.  I feel sorry for the kids;
>they roamed the neighborhood unsupervised as soon as they could walk
>(all are under age 6)  Fortunately, it's very safe there, and the
>neighbors watched out for them.

>Sorry for the rant!
>Karen

 
 
 

OT: my poor old house in NY (long)

Post by NO MORE SPAM » Tue, 13 Apr 1999 04:00:00


Repeat after me     "it only takes one child...." Ok we rent... 4 yr old
occasionally colors on walls/   We only have washable crayons/markers now!
also I have become good at repairs, and only leave a house in good
condition...   but kids will get a mess on the walls, so if you rent to a
family, that may be a part of it if they have preschoolers... BTW in many
places it is illegal to refuse to rent to someone with children <people have
tried to pull that one on me!> But the renter should leave the place in good
condition.    Christina
Quote:

> whooooaaaaahhhhh....i don't blame you in the least for the ranting...i'd
> have probably killed....can't believe the guy wanted to be around for
> the walk thru...and i do hope you have pictures.

> don't know what to tell you about the rest. sounds like you had one heck
> of a vacation....and i don't blame you for deciding to take a loss and
> get rid of the house. nothing like being long distant landlords.

> Hopefully the Navy will help you get all additional money due you...for
> repairs, etc. good luck..

> :) sally
> (who can't believe the things people do..no wonder my landlord isn't
> raising our rents here...the place is in much better condition than when
> we moved in and they have noticed that...now if it would just grow a
> couple rooms...can't build, it's a townhouse in an apt complex..:)


> > We just got back from upstate NY, where we own a house that we're
> > putting up for sale.  We lived there '90-93, bought the house at the
> > peak of housing prices (unbeknownst to us!) and could not afford to
> > take the loss when it came time to move (Navy-transferred).  so, we've
> > been renting it out (at a loss) for 6 years, hoping the real estate
> > market would improve enough for us to break even.  It hasn't, but
> > we've had enough of being long-distance landlords, and are biting the
> > bullet.  We've had 2 sets of tenants, and the first family took pretty
> > good care of the house, no major mishaps, and got their whole security
> > deposit back.  The second family, well, that's a whole 'nother story.

> > DH knew the guy from the Navy (stationed together in Va) and says he
> > was very responsible, nice guy, etc.  They had 3 kids at the time, no
> > pets, and in exchange for an extremely generous discount on their
> > rent, were eager to do all the little handyman type jobs on the house,
> > so we wouldn't have to pay someone.  (we're talking $200-300 less than
> > what we could rent it out for)  My house (our first!) had beautiful
> > stained woodwork all through it, windows, doors, baseboards.  Gorgeous
> > walnut cabinets in the kitchen.  Entire house professionally painted
> > before the second family moved in 3 yrs ago.  Fortunately, I took
> > pictures.

> > The entire time they lived there, it was one complaint after another.
> > First, because the utility bills were too high for them (she kept the
> > thermostats on 75 degrees and the front door open in Jan).  Then,
> > constant little problems like having to replace the valve in the
> > toilet tank (you know, the $3 part and 5 min of your time).  The
> > dishwasher broke right after they moved in, so we replaced it.  They
> > broke the attic stairs, we replaced those.  Lightning supposedly hit
> > the house and damaged both garage door openers; I replaced one.  On
> > and on.  We were quite happy that their lease was coming to an end,
> > and refused to renew it, when the guy's orders were changed to delay
> > their leaving by a few months.

> > So, we go up there last week to see the house and do any needed work
> > to get it ready to sell.  Tenant is very eager to be there for the
> > walk-through, says the only problem is the kitchen floor (which was
> > showing some wear before they moved in, and we'd planned to replace
> > anyway).  We walk into the house (family has moved out Mar 20, we get
> > there April 3, he's had 2 weeks to clean up, etc.)  What a disaster!
> > I cannot even imagine living in a house like that, much less doing the
> > kind of damage they did and took for granted.  Every single wall had
> > been written on with crayon, pencil, magic marker, etc.  All the
> > cabinets had large gouges out of them and were just plain ***,
> > inside and out.  Windowsills all had deep scratches in them, and even
> > teeth marks in both the kids' bedrooms.   (BTW, since they moved in,
> > they had another kid, and have a 5th on the way, and she says she's
> > not done, because God and the Navy will take care of them.)  Baseboard
> > molding broken in several places, corners of walls completely bare of
> > drywall.  All the flower beds completely torn up, in spite of me
> > putting edgings around them all 2 yrs ago.  Entire yard covered in
> > leaves (these fell back in the fall, remember?)  Oil spilled in the
> > garage, not a little leak from a car, but poured over shelves in the
> > corner.  Banister pulled out of the wall on the stairs.  Towel rack
> > in the bathroom pulled out of the wall.  cobwebs everywhere, windows
> > probably hadn't been washed since they moved in.
> > Master bedroom carpet has about 12 inch red nail polish on it.  Tenant
> > had asked to paint the MBR since he didn't like our color (pale peach)
> > and agreed to paint it back to a neutral color when he left.  Since
> > his choice had been candy pink, we had insisted on the "return to
> > neutral".  He painted right over the outlets, switch plate, etc.
> > Spattered paint on the door, baseboard, windowframes and carpet.
> > One toilet tank lid broken by 1/3.  Large holes spackled in at least 5
> > walls.  NONE of the nail holes from pictures had been spackled (more
> > about that later)  dirt all over all the walls.

> > We were stunned, to say the least.  He fully expected to be getting
> > his deposit back.  He kept saying, "this is normal wear and tear with
> > 4 kids". Dh's response was "No way.  Four kids is not normal (*no
> > offense to anyone with lots of kids- we wish we could have more! but
> > it's not the usual nowadays).  We have 6 pets, which is also not
> > normal, so we've made sure when we rented that we took extra care that
> > they didn't cause problems"  Guy had no idea how the toilet broke, or
> > how the teeth marks got in the windowsills.  He defended the cabinets
> > by saying, "these are old cabinets.  we didn't cause any of this."  My
> > answer to that was "they sure are old.  They're 20 years old, and 3
> > yrs ago they still looked almost brand new.  I have the pictures to
> > prove it.  How come you could do in 3 yrs what 17 years of other
> > owners (with kids, too) didn't?"  Oh, the brand new dishwasher now
> > looks to be about 10 yrs old, as a neighbor guessed.  Scratched,
> > dented, *** dirty.

> > Well, after getting rid of the tenant, DH and I rolled up our
> > shirtsleeves, accepted a good bit of sympathy from the neighbors (who
> > had all kinds of stories about them), and got to work.  We only had 4
> > days, 'cuz it takes 2 days to drive up and 2 days to drive back, and
> > DH flies out tomorrow for deployment in Puerto Rico.  This was our
> > vacation, done on DS's spring break.

> > I started spackling all the nail holes.  The first room I did, our
> > family room, had been used by "mom" as her home school room.  I
> > stopped counting after 129 holes in that room.  Actually, it's
> > probably all the posters that kept the walls from getting dirty...no,
> > that's right, they were still *** somehow.  guess they couldn't
> > afford paper, so they wrote on the walls!  Then tried to wash it, and
> > it all ran down the wall.

> > In 4 days, working all day long, DH and I painted the entire house
> > ourselves, with me doing all the trim work and him using the Wagner
> > PaintMate (a must for painting!).  I also cleaned the cabinets, which
> > alone made a big difference, but also repaired the gouges with wood
> > putty, sanded them down with steel wool, restained, and oiled the
> > finish.  They look beautiful again, too bad they're not for me!  I
> > removed, washed and replaced every single outlet/switch plate in the
> > house. I washed every window. I sanded down all the window sills and
> > restained them.  We replaced a good bit of the baseboard, cleaned off
> > all the paint spatters the tenant had made.  Oh, and I spent a good
> > part of one day just removing scotch tape and double sided tape from
> > walls.  Wonderful!  We also sanded down and repainted the garage doors
> > and the front door, and opened and cleaned the inground pool.  Also
> > cleaned out the pool house of junk that was left behind.

> > When we left, it looked pretty good again.  A new kitchen floor will
> > go in next week, and I have someone to do the yard (wanted to do it
> > myself, but there just wasn't time).  Now, hopefully it will sell
> > quickly (no profit here, still a huge loss, but better than an ongoing
> > drain, both financially and emotionally).  One positive thing, since
> > the tenant is in the Navy, it won't be hard to  collect any further
> > money from them for damages, once we get all the bills sorted out.
> > The security deposit doesn't even begin to cover it.

> > And, I guess life is a little fair after all.  We found out they moved
> > into an apartment.  They're paying almost the same they were paying to
> > us, and they have a 2 bedroom apt (with 5 kids).  The tenant kept
> > saying he'd saved us all kinds of money over the years by fixing
> > things in this "dump" as he called it.  Other than the toilet valve,
> > everything else he tried to fix, he actually made worse, and we ended
> > up with some pretty hefty plumber and electrician bills.  Like when he
> > waited 30 days to call me about the kitchen sink leaking, and then
> > mentioned, oh, btw, the entire floor of your cabinet is rotting from
> > the water damage.  I tried to fix the leak but I can't. "  Ever hear

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OT: my poor old house in NY (long)

Post by Sally S. Frave » Tue, 13 Apr 1999 04:00:00


yes, it only takes one child......but if you have a kid like that who
can do that much damage, there is a reason for it...lack of
supervision.  this family had more than one child, and still had a lack
of supervision. If they had owned the home, i bet it wouldn't have been
emptied in such poor shape. let alone have the father think this was
normal...let him pay the mortgage and see how normal this kind of wear
and tear is.

all three of my kids have been raised to not color on walls, and not to
trash the house. Funny, they never even tried. when they got old enough
for crayons, they were told what they could color on, and that was it,
no questions asked, no excuses. never did have a problem.

:) sally

Quote:

> Repeat after me     "it only takes one child...." Ok we rent... 4 yr old
> occasionally colors on walls/   We only have washable crayons/markers now!
> also I have become good at repairs, and only leave a house in good
> condition...   but kids will get a mess on the walls, so if you rent to a
> family, that may be a part of it if they have preschoolers... BTW in many
> places it is illegal to refuse to rent to someone with children <people have
> tried to pull that one on me!> But the renter should leave the place in good
> condition.    Christina

 
 
 

OT: my poor old house in NY (long)

Post by TwinMo » Tue, 13 Apr 1999 04:00:00


Oh I can sympathize so well, unfortunately! My DH's first house, in which we
were roommates 10 years ago (another story!) was rented out twice under
Lease/Option deals, with no up front money. The first couple separated
before completing the purchase and she then proceeded to have a string of
roommates. She also had a toddler. When she finally left we found: wax on
the walls and carpet in one room, ripped off wall paper in another, writing
on the walls (no notepads I guess), there was a one foot wide "ring" around
the entire house (windows included) from her toddler, burned food in the
ovens, rotting foods left in the frig & freezer, broken vertical blinds,
urine in the carpets (toddler was often diaperless on our visits!),
cigarette butts in the landscaping, and the list goes on. Probably the
grossest thing was the floor grout around the custom tiled living room
fireplace! I couldn't figure out why it was raised and dark brown - it
wasn't - it was filth - the grout was actually under about 1/4" of yuk that
took a full day to scrub out!!! It broke our hearts!! She too expected her
full deposit back - she changed her tune when she & her estranged hubby got
the bill! Of course, we never heard from them again and his dad, the
co-guarantor, claimed no responsibility. So we ate the loss, tried again,
and eventually got rid of the property a couple of years ago. Again, a big
financial drain in the terrible R.E. market. We now have toddlers (just
turned 3) and I still don't understand how her single child could be allowed
to make such a mess! That's ok - everything you do comes back to you
ten-fold (karma) so we know the scales will even out somewhere along the
line. I know exactly how you feel!! Sorry you had so much trouble!!
 
 
 

OT: my poor old house in NY (long)

Post by Two x ov » Tue, 13 Apr 1999 04:00:00


hi-

the first house we lived in, we rented.  the landlord lived next door, and was
a great person...we loved the entire family.   but, the prior tenants in the
house were "military" (ie airforce) and they were to clean the house (part of
the deal) before we moved in.  please note, we are also military, and also
airforce.

i walked in...the landlord was extremely apologetic...the place was a
dive...big time dive!  so, we worked out a deal,,,,reduction in rent for what
we could do.

i cleaned..oh how i cleaned!  curtains had 3" of dust on them....that was the
start.  i ripped wallpaper (stained) down and repainted.  i painted the entire
interior.  i gardened when spring came.  

we were there for seven months...while our house was built.  when we moved out,
the house was spitshined clean.  

not only did we get our deposit back, we also got a very generous gift
certificate as a house warming  gift.

my sypathies are with you.....there was no excuse for what they did to your
house...(which, btw, sounds lovely now)

betsey
betsey
"we do not inherit the earth, we caretake it for our children"