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Gee this group is c hanged

Post by Moon Cryst » Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:05:57



Do y'all talk much about beads anymore or just oersonal stuf?
Moon Crystal
 
 
 

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Post by K. Brun » Sat, 04 Jan 2003 10:03:24


[I was just going to mail this to Moon Crystal, but I figure I don't have
anything to lose.]

[I am also not marking this as off-topic because this post is about
trying to talk about beads.]

On 25 Dec 2002 00:05:57 -0800, Moon Crystal said something like:

Quote:
> Do y'all talk much about beads anymore or just oersonal stuf?

It feels like it's >75% personal stuff, which has rankled a few people.
Unfortunately, when we ask for less chatter, we either get ignored or
sometimes attacked.

It can be frustrating.  Many people don't even tag off-topic posts with
an OT in the subject.  A strong sense of community is great, but no one
likes to be in a restaurant at a table next to 30 raucous friends.  
Especially not *every* time you go to a restaurant.

Ugh.  It is just really frustrating for me, because there are still some
interesting bead posts and you can usually get useful answers to
questions, but honestly, it's hard to get a count of other people who
want the group to be truer to its name when even the most polite posts
are subject to ad hominem attacks.

-Karen
http://home.earthlink.net/~kmbruner/

P.S.  Consistently marking off-topic post subjects with OT is important
for people who want to use automated score files to filter the posts out
completely, which makes it easier to skim subject lines.

 
 
 

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Post by Dr. So » Sat, 04 Jan 2003 16:02:45


Quote:
>no one
>likes to be in a restaurant at a table next to 30 raucous friends.  
>Especially not *every* time you go to a restaurant.

You can't killfile the people at the next table, can you?  You can killfile the
people or topics you're not interested in here.  WHY CAN'T ANYONE GET THAT?
~~
Sooz
You wouldn't be dead for quids.
 
 
 

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Post by Dr. So » Sat, 04 Jan 2003 16:04:19


This is off topic.  Mark it as such, or quit complaining.  It is not about
beads.  

Quote:
>[I was just going to mail this to Moon Crystal, but I figure I don't have
>anything to lose.]

>[I am also not marking this as off-topic because this post is about
>trying to talk about beads.]

>On 25 Dec 2002 00:05:57 -0800, Moon Crystal said something like:

>> Do y'all talk much about beads anymore or just oersonal stuf?

>It feels like it's >75% personal stuff, which has rankled a few people.
>Unfortunately, when we ask for less chatter, we either get ignored or
>sometimes attacked.

>It can be frustrating.  Many people don't even tag off-topic posts with
>an OT in the subject.  A strong sense of community is great, but no one
>likes to be in a restaurant at a table next to 30 raucous friends.  
>Especially not *every* time you go to a restaurant.

>Ugh.  It is just really frustrating for me, because there are still some
>interesting bead posts and you can usually get useful answers to
>questions, but honestly, it's hard to get a count of other people who
>want the group to be truer to its name when even the most polite posts
>are subject to ad hominem attacks.

>-Karen
>http://home.earthlink.net/~kmbruner/

>P.S.  Consistently marking off-topic post subjects with OT is important
>for people who want to use automated score files to filter the posts out
>completely, which makes it easier to skim subject lines.

~~
Sooz
You wouldn't be dead for quids.
 
 
 

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Post by K. Brun » Sun, 05 Jan 2003 01:37:58


On 03 Jan 2003 07:02:45 GMT, Dr. Sooz said something like:

Quote:
> >no one
> >likes to be in a restaurant at a table next to 30 raucous friends.  
> >Especially not *every* time you go to a restaurant.
> You can't killfile the people at the next table, can you?  You can killfile the
> people or topics you're not interested in here.  WHY CAN'T ANYONE GET THAT?

I totally understand and try that, but there are still a *phenomenal*
number of OT posts that are not tagged as such in any way at all.  (Like
this one was.)  I think plenty of people are willing to compromise if
everyone and their brother consistently checked their subject lines
before submitting their posts.

-Karen
http://home.earthlink.net/~kmbruner/

 
 
 

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Post by Dr. So » Sun, 05 Jan 2003 05:38:52


I'm actually having fun doing this now!  It appeals to me to add something to
the subject line every time I post, in a weird, embellishing way.....

Quote:
>there are still a *phenomenal*
>number of OT posts that are not tagged as such in any way at all.  (Like
>this one was.)  I think plenty of people are willing to compromise if
>everyone and their brother consistently checked their subject lines
>before submitting their posts.

~~
Sooz
You wouldn't be dead for quids.
 
 
 

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Post by mkahoga » Fri, 10 Jan 2003 22:51:42


Karen,
I will confess.  I probably post off topic posts more than most people.  I
am, however, very careful to always mark them OT.  I skip  the posts that
are about lampworking techniques, because I don't do lampwork.  I also skip
the ones about
various stiches, because I am a "stringer".  I love looking at other
people's creations of all beady sorts.  I also like to read about good
sources, sales techniques, display, and color placement or choice.

I am at home all by myself a lot and find the conversation fun and warm.  I
could go somewhere else, but I have so much in common with other beaders
that it feels right here.

I agree about being clear about the OT marking.  I don't think that's tough
to do or remember.  You are thinking about how to title your post anyhow,
how tough is it to preface it with 2 letters?

I would like to see a lot less attacking of other people.  Some of it is
pretty damn childish and  rude.  Part of being a grown up is learning to
ignore things that you don't care for.  Live and let live.  This is not the
same as letting people walk all over you, it is  a spirit of respecting
yourself and allowing other people to be themselves, whether you like them
or not.  I have to work really hard at this.  I am extremely judgemental,
but my edges are wearing off as I get older.

Kathy H

Quote:
> [I was just going to mail this to Moon Crystal, but I figure I don't have
> anything to lose.]

> [I am also not marking this as off-topic because this post is about
> trying to talk about beads.]

> On 25 Dec 2002 00:05:57 -0800, Moon Crystal said something like:

> > Do y'all talk much about beads anymore or just oersonal stuf?

> It feels like it's >75% personal stuff, which has rankled a few people.
> Unfortunately, when we ask for less chatter, we either get ignored or
> sometimes attacked.

> It can be frustrating.  Many people don't even tag off-topic posts with
> an OT in the subject.  A strong sense of community is great, but no one
> likes to be in a restaurant at a table next to 30 raucous friends.
> Especially not *every* time you go to a restaurant.

> Ugh.  It is just really frustrating for me, because there are still some
> interesting bead posts and you can usually get useful answers to
> questions, but honestly, it's hard to get a count of other people who
> want the group to be truer to its name when even the most polite posts
> are subject to ad hominem attacks.

> -Karen
> http://home.earthlink.net/~kmbruner/

> P.S.  Consistently marking off-topic post subjects with OT is important
> for people who want to use automated score files to filter the posts out
> completely, which makes it easier to skim subject lines.

 
 
 

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Post by Pamela Welbo » Fri, 17 Jan 2003 06:32:02


Quote:
>Do y'all talk much about beads anymore or just oersonal stuf?
>Moon Crystal

If you want bead only talk....  join a list on Yahoo groups.  Some are very
strict with bead related topics only.

The one I run i  called Learn2Bead - It's pretty strict - we dont' talk off
topic.  We allow bead advertising and all new members are moderated until they
can show 2 things - they are not a troll/spammer and they can edit the quoted
part in a reply.  (this is for the digest people mostly.  They don't want to
have to have to deal with multipul footers and excess quoeted stuff that isn't
needed  etc.

I use filters here and I still get lots of chatter but I just click NEXT
SUBJECTand move on.  Once in a while I mark all read and start fresh.

Pamy
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Pamela Welborn  Beading Design Creation and Instruction
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