Saddam Hussein Al Tikrity is Al Ti Toast

Saddam Hussein Al Tikrity is Al Ti Toast

Post by Jose. T. Rodrigue » Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:31:45



hahahahahahahahahah.  3 down, one to go.  Brownie points for Bush!

Got ya ya pig, now for his brother Osama Bin La Ashole!

Go USA.

 
 
 

Saddam Hussein Al Tikrity is Al Ti Toast

Post by Bill Woodi » Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:11:47


Saddam taken alive without a fight in a lice and vermin infested mud hole
somehow seems appropriate, considering what he did for almost 25 years to the
people of Iraq.  What a perfect way for the "brave and stalwart, magnificent
defender of the Iraqi people, hero of the war with Iran, the invincible
descendent of Nebuchadnezzar and protector honor and piety in Iraq who vowed to
never be taken alive" to go down, groveling at the feet of US soldiers.

Now, if we can just get our hands on "the red-headed monkey" it will be over.
He's the last one that could possibly rally the Fedayeen.  When we get him, I
believe shortly thereafter, most of the "guest fighters" in Iraq will be
politely asked to go home and it will be pretty-much over.  With one of
Saddam's own relatives busting him out for the cash, it won't be long before
Izzat's card is laid down on the table as well.  

"The world would be a much simpler place if every one could pick
and choose their obligations, but we can't and we shouldn't."
                          Major Charles W. Whittlesey

 
 
 

Saddam Hussein Al Tikrity is Al Ti Toast

Post by Jim Atkin » Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:34:47


I think there may be a spike in guerilla activity in the near future- "So
what! we're still fighting the infidel! kind of thing. I also think that
things will start to taper off, slowly but surely. Finally, I think it will
be a better Christmas and New year for the entire world than I did waking up
yesterday morning.

--
Jim Atkins
Twentynine Palms CA USA

"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read."
- Groucho Marx

 
 
 

Saddam Hussein Al Tikrity is Al Ti Toast

Post by Alexander Arnaki » Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:55:06


On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:34:47 GMT, "Jim Atkins"

Quote:

>I think there may be a spike in guerilla activity in the near future- "So
>what! we're still fighting the infidel! kind of thing. I also think that
>things will start to taper off, slowly but surely. Finally, I think it will
>be a better Christmas and New year for the entire world than I did waking up
>yesterday morning.

The capture of Saddam may make the insurgency problem worse, not
better. In effect, it frees the insurgents from association with the
Saddam regime -- he was a millstone around their necks. The insurgents
can now appeal to general Iraqi patriotism (nationalism, xenophobia)
without being accused of merely trying to restore a hated and
discredited regime. Anyway, Saddam himself had been in a "survival
mode" and had obviously not personally been running the insurgency.
Beware of the "snowball effect" of the insurgency. Actually, this
week's important news from Iraq was that half of the recruits to the
U.S.-sponsored new Iraqi army were deserting before even finishing
their training. The talk of inadequate pay for these recruits is just
a smoke screen -- the real reason they're deserting is that they're
being branded as collaborators in their society.

It would have better if Saddam had been taken dead rather than alive.
Now that we have him, we have the embarrassing problem of what to do
with him. If a "kangaroo trial" is too obvious, we end up looking bad
in front of the world. On the other hand, we don't want to provide him
with a platform for his propaganda. Turning him over to the Iraqi
Governing Council is not an option either, as we can't be sure they
can be trusted.

 
 
 

Saddam Hussein Al Tikrity is Al Ti Toast

Post by Al Superczynsk » Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:07:02


On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 02:55:06 GMT, Alexander Arnakis

     <snip>

I've been wondering how long it would take the "Yeah, but....." crowd
to show up.....

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Post by Bill Banasza » Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:31:26


Quote:

> On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:34:47 GMT, "Jim Atkins"

> >I think there may be a spike in guerilla activity in the near future- "So
> >what! we're still fighting the infidel! kind of thing. I also think that
> >things will start to taper off, slowly but surely. Finally, I think it will
> >be a better Christmas and New year for the entire world than I did waking up
> >yesterday morning.

> The capture of Saddam may make the insurgency problem worse, not
> better. In effect, it frees the insurgents from association with the
> Saddam regime -- he was a millstone around their necks. The insurgents
> can now appeal to general Iraqi patriotism (nationalism, xenophobia)
> without being accused of merely trying to restore a hated and
> discredited regime. Anyway, Saddam himself had been in a "survival
> mode" and had obviously not personally been running the insurgency.
> Beware of the "snowball effect" of the insurgency. Actually, this
> week's important news from Iraq was that half of the recruits to the
> U.S.-sponsored new Iraqi army were deserting before even finishing
> their training. The talk of inadequate pay for these recruits is just
> a smoke screen -- the real reason they're deserting is that they're
> being branded as collaborators in their society.

> It would have better if Saddam had been taken dead rather than alive.
> Now that we have him, we have the embarrassing problem of what to do
> with him. If a "kangaroo trial" is too obvious, we end up looking bad
> in front of the world. On the other hand, we don't want to provide him
> with a platform for his propaganda. Turning him over to the Iraqi
> Governing Council is not an option either, as we can't be sure they
> can be trusted.

But that's the way it should be handled.  If we haul him out of there
and hold a trial elsewhere it will just be a case of the 'infidels'
humiliating Saddam.  We have to let them do it themselves and hope we
can soft-pedal our influence.  We need a real deft hand at the wheel
here.  It's a shame we don't have any.

Bill Banaszak

 
 
 

Saddam Hussein Al Tikrity is Al Ti Toast

Post by William H. Shue » Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:25:09


Quote:

> I think there may be a spike in guerilla activity in the near future- "So
> what! we're still fighting the infidel! kind of thing. I also think that
> things will start to taper off, slowly but surely.

Jim:

        Speaking as a former D.o.D. employee who has friends dealing with this
issue, it has been the feeling for a long time that many Iraqis were
"sitting on the fence' where cooperating with the coalition was
concerned. Too many remember back in 1991 when the U.S. called off the
dogs too soon leaving Saddam in power to take ***y revenge on those
who had supported the allies. The Kurds and the Shiite Muslims in
Southern Iraq, who had been open about their resistance to Saddam, were
the principal recipients of his vengeance but there were many through
out Iraq who were eradicated just on suspicion.
        This is a problem that may start to change now, we'll see. It has been
a frustrating situation, and not helped by the fact that our actions
created it.

                                                                Bill Shuey

 
 
 

Saddam Hussein Al Tikrity is Al Ti Toast

Post by Mark Schyner » Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:37:32




Quote:

> > On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:34:47 GMT, "Jim Atkins"

> > >I think there may be a spike in guerilla activity in the near future- "So
> > >what! we're still fighting the infidel! kind of thing. I also think that
> > >things will start to taper off, slowly but surely. Finally, I think it
> > >will
> > >be a better Christmas and New year for the entire world than I did waking
> > >up
> > >yesterday morning.

> > The capture of Saddam may make the insurgency problem worse, not
> > better. In effect, it frees the insurgents from association with the
> > Saddam regime -- he was a millstone around their necks. The insurgents
> > can now appeal to general Iraqi patriotism (nationalism, xenophobia)
> > without being accused of merely trying to restore a hated and
> > discredited regime. Anyway, Saddam himself had been in a "survival
> > mode" and had obviously not personally been running the insurgency.
> > Beware of the "snowball effect" of the insurgency. Actually, this
> > week's important news from Iraq was that half of the recruits to the
> > U.S.-sponsored new Iraqi army were deserting before even finishing
> > their training. The talk of inadequate pay for these recruits is just
> > a smoke screen -- the real reason they're deserting is that they're
> > being branded as collaborators in their society.

> > It would have better if Saddam had been taken dead rather than alive.
> > Now that we have him, we have the embarrassing problem of what to do
> > with him. If a "kangaroo trial" is too obvious, we end up looking bad
> > in front of the world. On the other hand, we don't want to provide him
> > with a platform for his propaganda. Turning him over to the Iraqi
> > Governing Council is not an option either, as we can't be sure they
> > can be trusted.

> But that's the way it should be handled.  If we haul him out of there
> and hold a trial elsewhere it will just be a case of the 'infidels'
> humiliating Saddam.  We have to let them do it themselves and hope we
> can soft-pedal our influence.  We need a real deft hand at the wheel
> here.  It's a shame we don't have any.

> Bill Banaszak

Yep, let his own people try him. He certainly killed enough of them.
It's not like he's going to get anything resembling the fair trial we
expect here for common criminals, so there's not much point in getting
worked up about that. Unless the Iraqis want to ship him off the Belgium
and let them try him. It's the Iraqis' call, or at least it ought to be.

Mark Schynert

 
 
 

Saddam Hussein Al Tikrity is Al Ti Toast

Post by Al Superczynsk » Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:42:03



Quote:
>With one of
>Saddam's own relatives busting him out for the cash, it won't be long before
>Izzat's card is laid down on the table as well.  

     I hope so!  As for the reward, what I've heard is that the guy
who dropped the dime on Saddam is wanted himself and won't be getting
the big bucks.  He'd have little use for it in prison anyway....
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Post by Al Superczynsk » Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:43:15




Quote:
>We need a real deft hand at the wheel
>here.  It's a shame we don't have any.

     We don't?  Seems to me it was pretty 'deft' of Bush to have
Saddam captured alive.....
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Post by Al Superczynsk » Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:44:21


On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 00:25:09 -0500, "William H. Shuey"

Quote:

>It has been a frustrating situation, and not helped by the fact that our actions
>created it.

     Saddam might have had just a little bit to do with 'creating' the
situation.....

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Post by Fleet Air Arm SI » Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:03:43


Quote:

> I've been wondering how long it would take the "Yeah, but....." crowd
> to show up.....

> --
> Al Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968

You make it sound like it's a bad thing, just because we now have him in
custody doesn't mean all the problems will magically go away. I don't think
its a good idea to get too carried away with this event, sure its a huge
propaganda boost, just when we needed it, but I don't think it will solve
the real issue which is, just like every nation the British Empire had and
Viet Nam to be honest, we're there and they don't want us to be. It will
only finish when we get the country into some semblance of order and let
them sort out their own problems and get the hell out.

Steve

 
 
 

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Post by Bassie Adriaense » Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:17:58




Quote:
> On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 02:55:06 GMT, Alexander Arnakis

>      <snip>

> I've been wondering how long it would take the "Yeah, but....." crowd
> to show up.....

As long as it takes Al.....
I think it's showtime for the Bush administration now. All excuses for
starting this war are gone. No more Saddam, no WMD's, no threats for the
worldpeace. Now is the time to bring the Iraqi people the promised freedom,
clean up the mess and give them back their country. I'm curious about the
near future.
 
 
 

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Post by Al Superczynsk » Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:30:43


On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:03:43 -0000, "Fleet Air Arm SIG"

Quote:

>.....just because we now have him in
>custody doesn't mean all the problems will magically go away.

     I didn't say that, nor did I even imply it.

Quote:
>...we're there and they don't want us to be.

     Says who?  The Saddam Fedayeen and al Qaeda?  Screw them.

Quote:
>It will only finish when we get the country into some semblance of order and let
>them sort out their own problems...

     85% of the country *does* have 'some semblance of order'.  As for
letting them sort out their own problems, I'm all for that.  As soon
as they're able.

Quote:
>...and get the hell out.

     As I said before, as quickly as we got out of Germany, Italy,
Japan, and S. Korea, etc.....

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Post by Al Superczynsk » Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:32:09




Quote:
>...let his own people try him.

     Agreed.  Who better to mete out justice to him?

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