Where are those atomic cannon molds?

Where are those atomic cannon molds?

Post by falseda.. » Fri, 21 May 2004 07:26:54



Adams variant just went for $610:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3193097540&categor...
 
 
 

Where are those atomic cannon molds?

Post by Val Krau » Fri, 21 May 2004 12:20:10


It would be interesting to see most of the old Revell and Adams 1/40th
military and rocket kits available again. If I remember correctly the Adams
stuff was reissued under different brands  but not any of the big brands
like Monogram. I don't remeber anyone discussing who ended up with the Adams
molds - just that Revell guys worked on them. A few years ago there was a
effort via email to get Revell to reissue the XSL Moon Rocket - another $500
dollar ebay seller - which went nowhere. Rumors at the time where that clear
part molds were damaged or missing or that Revell hadn't cataloged the molds
after moving and couldn't easily find specific sets.

Val Kraut


Quote:
> Adams variant just went for $610:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3193097540&categor...

 
 
 

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Post by Al Superczynsk » Fri, 21 May 2004 12:32:27




Quote:
>I don't remeber anyone discussing who ended up with the Adams
>molds - just that Revell guys worked on them.

     Lindberg probably has them since they bought all the tooling
Life-Like owned, and they reissued most of the 1/40 scale military
stuff at one time or another.
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Post by Val Krau » Fri, 21 May 2004 12:57:35


Quote:
>      Lindberg probably has them since they bought all the tooling
> Life-Like owned, and they reissued most of the 1/40 scale military
> stuff at one time or another.
> --

Be interesting to see if they could be influenced into a new set of
releases - the Honest John for one seems to command high prices and was a
really good kit as I remember. The Thor with launch stand was another of my
favorites.
 
 
 

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Post by Kurt Laughli » Sat, 22 May 2004 09:35:09



Quote:
> Be interesting to see if they could be influenced into a new set of
> releases - the Honest John for one seems to command high prices and was a
> really good kit as I remember. The Thor with launch stand was another of
my
> favorites.

According to John Burns, the cool 1/40 kits breakdown as:

Adams - Honest John & launcher, Hawk battery, YH-41 missile transporter,
XM501 Hawk carrier, Vanguard, M40 GMC, 105mm howitzer, Atomic cannon, 155mm
gun & M4 tractor, 120mm AAA, LVT(A)-5.

Revell - Corp***Missile & Transporter-Erector, Little John & Dart, Hawk
battery, LaCrosse Missile & launcher, Nike Hercules & launcher, Talos
missile & launcher, X-17 rocket, Aerobee-Hi rocket, M56 SPAT, 105mm
howitzer, M35 trucks, M48 AVLB, M4 composite tank, 155mm gun, M20 armored
car, Jeep & trailer, Figures, M4 tractor, T-34 tank.

Some dupes, but burns doesn't explain who originated them

 
 
 

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Post by Val Krau » Sat, 22 May 2004 12:34:39


As I remember Revell issued the M4 tank first with the name Black Magic on
the turret - then the 155mm Long Tom with the M4 tractor in 1 kit. The M4
was later released alone. ADAMS had the 155 as a self propelled on a M4
chassis - the gun had a decal "Choo Choo Baby" on the barrell. ADAMS also
had a Thor missile - very similar to the Vanguard  set - which at the time
was more interesting since all the vanguards seemed to do was blow up on the
pad. Except as I remember these were a smaller scale like maybe 1/72. You
got a figure in a fueling suit and a technician with the misile company name
on the back of his jacket.

This is more of a stretch but I'm fairly certain that ADAMS were re-released
under the name SNAP, with the company name box art similar to ADAMS
alternating red and blue squares with  a letter in each. UPC might have been
the next re-release..

Val Kraut

"> According to John Burns, the cool 1/40 kits breakdown as:

Quote:

> Adams - Honest John & launcher, Hawk battery, YH-41 missile transporter,
> XM501 Hawk carrier, Vanguard, M40 GMC, 105mm howitzer, Atomic cannon,
155mm
> gun & M4 tractor, 120mm AAA, LVT(A)-5.

> Revell - Corp***Missile & Transporter-Erector, Little John & Dart, Hawk
> battery, LaCrosse Missile & launcher, Nike Hercules & launcher, Talos
> missile & launcher, X-17 rocket, Aerobee-Hi rocket, M56 SPAT, 105mm
> howitzer, M35 trucks, M48 AVLB, M4 composite tank, 155mm gun, M20 armored
> car, Jeep & trailer, Figures, M4 tractor, T-34 tank.

> Some dupes, but burns doesn't explain who originated them

 
 
 

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Post by Jim Atkin » Sat, 22 May 2004 13:01:10


I remember building the Talos in about 1959- one of my first kits. My dad
worked at Bendix in South Bend so he got me a model of something he worked
on. Damm, I wish they'd rerelease some of those! How about the Mace
Teracruzer from the History Makers series?

--
Jim Atkins
Twentynine Palms, CA USA

Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
-Groucho Marx

 
 
 

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Post by tooft.. » Sat, 22 May 2004 14:54:27


Quote:

>I remember building the Talos in about 1959- one of my first kits. My dad
>worked at Bendix in South Bend so he got me a model of something he worked
>on. Damm, I wish they'd rerelease some of those! How about the Mace
>Teracruzer from the History Makers series?

the px in nurnburg, (furth) had all of that stuff and i
built and blew up all of it.
 
 
 

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Post by Kurt Laughli » Sat, 22 May 2004 22:37:25



Quote:
>ADAMS also
> had a Thor missile - very similar to the Vanguard  set - which at the time
> was more interesting since all the vanguards seemed to do was blow up on
the
> pad. Except as I remember these were a smaller scale like maybe 1/72. You
> got a figure in a fueling suit and a technician with the misile company
name
> on the back of his jacket.

Yeah, I read the wrong line on that.  The Adams Vanguard was 1/80 and the
Thor was 1/87.

Quote:
> This is more of a stretch but I'm fairly certain that ADAMS were
re-released
> under the name SNAP, with the company name box art similar to ADAMS
> alternating red and blue squares with  a letter in each. UPC might have
been
> the next re-release..

SNAP was name used by Athern the train company.

Here is what Burns lists as reissues:

Crown- Hawk missile carrier, 120mm AAA, M20 A/C, Jeep & trailer

Life-Like- M20 A/C, Jeep & trailer, 105mm how, 120mm AAA, LVT, M40 GMC,
155mm gun, Atomic cannon, YH-41, Hawk carrier, Honest John, Hawk battery

Marusan- Hawk battery, 105mm how, Atomic cannon, 120mm AAA, LVT

SNAP- Honest John, Hawk battery, YH-41, Hawk carrier, M20 A/C, Jeep &
trailer, M40 GMC, 105mm how, Atomic cannon, 155mm gun, 120mm AAA, LVT

UPC- Honest John, Hawk battery, M40 GMC, Atomic cannon, 155mm GMC, 120mm
AAA, LVT, M20 A/C, Jeep & trailer, Soldiers, 105mm how

Y'know, 1/40 was supposed to be a "compromise" scale between the 1/48 of
airplanes and the 1/32 of tanks. . .

KL

 
 
 

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Post by Rob Gronovi » Sat, 22 May 2004 23:18:12


Quote:
>How about the Mace
>Teracruzer from the History Makers series?

I built that when I was stationed in Germany from 87-90. It was among the kits
I gave to my gunner's kidswhen it was time to PCS. I'd like to try building
that kit again. IIRC, even the History Maker's version was rather expensive way
back then compared to a 1/35 Tamiya armor kit.
Rob Gronovius
Modern US armor at http://www.armorama.com/motorpool
 
 
 

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Post by Val Krau » Sun, 23 May 2004 00:36:05


Quote:
> Y'know, 1/40 was supposed to be a "compromise" scale between the 1/48 of
> airplanes and the 1/32 of tanks. . .

The 1/40th was good when it started - but then Aurora started tanks in
1/48th and Monogram started about 1/32 or 1/35 not sure which and Renwal
jumped in with a slightly larger scale than that - so none of them went
together. Some of the stuff was from different eras - but still might have
been nice to have a tiegr and sherman in the same scale.

Val Kraut

 
 
 

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Post by OXMORO » Sun, 23 May 2004 00:55:17


Quote:
>> Y'know, 1/40 was supposed to be a "compromise" scale between the 1/48 of
>> airplanes and the 1/32 of tanks. . .

A lot of full size manufacturers drawings (remember when they did drawings?)
were done in 1/40th scale.everything that I've found from Martin in large size
for the B-57 was in 1/40th scale or 1/10th scale, especially the paint shop
drawings.

Revell tried 1/40th scale with their Skyraider and IIRC weren't there a few
Japanese a/c kits in 1/20th?

Rick

 
 
 

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Post by jerry 4 » Sun, 23 May 2004 04:20:03


I e-mailed back and forth with a Revell rep about re-popping a few years
ago.  He said there just was not a large enough market for missiles to make
re-issues profitable.  He then cited the LaCross and Aerobee re-pops as
examples of poor sellers.  I told him those two were poor choices and asked
why they didn't to things like re-issue the Jupiter C and Vanguard 1/100 on
the fortieth anniversary, etc.  I also cited they re-released their Mercury
Atlas several times over a three or four year period, especially when John
Glenn went back up.  They must have sold a lot to keep re-issuing that kit.

Apparently none of this made any difference to them, even knowing some old
missile kits were going in the hundreds and sometimes even, thousands of
dollars.  He told me only a few want them bad enough to pay that kind of
price and the general market will not support these types of kits.
Jerry 47

Quote:
> I remember building the Talos in about 1959- one of my first kits. My dad
> worked at Bendix in South Bend so he got me a model of something he worked
> on. Damm, I wish they'd rerelease some of those! How about the Mace
> Teracruzer from the History Makers series?

> --
> Jim Atkins
> Twentynine Palms, CA USA

> Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
> Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
> -Groucho Marx

 
 
 

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Post by famvb.. » Sun, 23 May 2004 08:14:44


Revell's X-5 was 1/40 too. Monogram' Cessna 180 is 1/40 & IIRC, Aurora's
TT-1, T-37 & A-37 were 1/40 also.
 
 
 

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Post by Val Krau » Sun, 23 May 2004 08:38:29


It's interesting that they cite the LaCrosse - I ordered 4 of these from a
advertized re-release that never happened, and still wish I had gotten them.
My plan was to use the Revell 6x6 and a set of Lacrosse missile launchers in
a "what if" diorama. Troops moving down to secure the road as the lacrosses
set up. I really like to do the same with a set of the Honest John
Launchers - almost ala the Japanese sci-fi movies. Maybe the 1/40 scale
turns people off and we should be urging Trumpeter to copy these in 1/35.
Might not be a bad crusade to start.

Val Kraut