Thanks/No-Thanks

Thanks/No-Thanks

Post by Spik » Tue, 27 Feb 1996 04:00:00



Recently I posted a review/complaint about the KMC 1/72 Dauntless
detail set on the news group, stating: that in my opinion it does not
fit properly and the design needs refinement. Within hours I received a
reply from a helpful individual  who had passed on my remarks and
concerns directly to KMC and even provided me with an address and fax  
number to which I could directly appeal for help.  For this assistance I
am sincerely grateful. The modeler asked that I not e-mail him... he was
just being helpful.

   Grateful I was, however, I was also just equally concerned that my
posting vanished from the news group nearly as fast as it appeared;
fueling a suspicion that perhaps the news group is only interested in
positive reviews  or that the person helping me has conflict of interest
with himself and KMC.

   I  suggested in my posting that perhaps I'm not the only one
experiencing fit problems with this particular kit. The only we'll ever
know is if the message is left there long enough for others who have
built the kit to see it and reply.    

    I am willing to admit I am wrong when someone shows me or explains
to me why I am... and if my posting just slipped through the cracks then
so be it, I am wrong and end of discussion.  But, if this is not the
case and others are not being afforded the opportunity to agree or
disagree then a great disservice is being done to everyone in the group
by those running the board.

     Good or bad, I assume this is an open forum for help, advice.. and
even accounts of negative product experiences when they occur.  

     Thanks sincerely for the help.... but if sheltering potential
customers from bad news about products is an unarticulated agenda of the
group then no thanks.

Airplane glue.... etc.

Spike

 
 
 

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Post by Steve Re » Tue, 27 Feb 1996 04:00:00



Quote:
> Recently I posted a review/complaint about the KMC 1/72 Dauntless
> detail set on the news group, stating: that in my opinion it does not
> fit properly and the design needs refinement. Within hours I received a
> reply from a helpful individual  who had passed on my remarks and
> concerns directly to KMC and even provided me with an address and fax  
> number to which I could directly appeal for help.  For this assistance I
> am sincerely grateful. The modeler asked that I not e-mail him... he was
> just being helpful.

>    Grateful I was, however, I was also just equally concerned that my
> posting vanished from the news group nearly as fast as it appeared;
> fueling a suspicion that perhaps the news group is only interested in
> positive reviews  or that the person helping me has conflict of interest
> with himself and KMC.

>    I  suggested in my posting that perhaps I'm not the only one
> experiencing fit problems with this particular kit. The only we'll ever
> know is if the message is left there long enough for others who have
> built the kit to see it and reply.    

>     I am willing to admit I am wrong when someone shows me or explains
> to me why I am... and if my posting just slipped through the cracks then
> so be it, I am wrong and end of discussion.  But, if this is not the
> case and others are not being afforded the opportunity to agree or
> disagree then a great disservice is being done to everyone in the group
> by those running the board.

>      Good or bad, I assume this is an open forum for help, advice.. and
> even accounts of negative product experiences when they occur.  

>      Thanks sincerely for the help.... but if sheltering potential
> customers from bad news about products is an unarticulated agenda of the
> group then no thanks.

> Airplane glue.... etc.

> Spike

Hey! I read your post & a couple of responses to it!  Let's cut out the
"Woe is me, ...I'm the victim of a ***" crap.

 
 
 

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Post by Stephen Tonton » Tue, 27 Feb 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
>      Good or bad, I assume this is an open forum for help, advice.. and
> even accounts of negative product experiences when they occur.  

>      Thanks sincerely for the help.... but if sheltering potential
> customers from bad news about products is an unarticulated agenda of the
> group then no thanks.

This is an open forum. I am not the internet police, just another member
of this motley crew. If something happens to a message and it appears to
not post, or something, send it again. I am positive that there is no
censoring going on here. Of course if you swear or mention ***, that
WOULD be illegal if the telecommunication act gets upheld. (sorry for the
political digression; couldn't help myself)

--Stephen (FREE SPEECH) Tontoni

 
 
 

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Post by Mike Kenda » Wed, 28 Feb 1996 04:00:00


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>Recently I posted a review/complaint about the KMC 1/72 Dauntless
>detail set on the news group,

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Quote:
>   Grateful I was, however, I was also just equally concerned that my
>posting vanished from the news group nearly as fast as it appeared;

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Quote:
>     Thanks sincerely for the help.... but if sheltering potential
>customers from bad news about products is an unarticulated agenda of the
>group then no thanks.
>Airplane glue.... etc.
>Spike

Hey Spike:

I don't know about your News Reader Service, but once I read an entry and
punch "read all", it dissapears from further sight and mind.  This doesn't
mean it 'aint still out there, it's just that I don't have to look at it any
more.  Me thinks the same may be true of your situation...?

Believe me, if a product is a piece of crap, you'll know about it around here.
Nobody's censoring this newsgroup, as recent encounters with trolls have
shown.  If there isn't any further conversation about your posting it means
either you said what had to be said, or nobody wanted to coment further.

Mike

 
 
 

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Post by Don_Schm.. » Wed, 28 Feb 1996 04:00:00


Spike,

Quote:
>   I  suggested in my posting that perhaps I'm not the only one
>experiencing fit problems with this particular kit. The only we'll ever
>know is if the message is left there long enough for others who have
>built the kit to see it and reply.

The internet doesn't work the way you seem to think - just because your
message disappeared from view on your system does not mean it was magically
deleted from everyone elses.  More than likely, it just means that the
system you read netnews on does not have enough disk space to save very
many old messages.

Quote:
>    I am willing to admit I am wrong when someone shows me or explains
>to me why I am... and if my posting just slipped through the cracks then
>so be it, I am wrong and end of discussion.  But, if this is not the
>case and others are not being afforded the opportunity to agree or
>disagree then a great disservice is being done to everyone in the group
>by those running the board.

There is no one actually "running" rec.models.scale.  There is no moderator
who decides what is posted or isn't.  An administrator at a particular
site can decide to delete messages at that site, but it is hard to delete them
everywhere (not impossible - there is a mechanism to cancel messages on
all machines, but very few people have this privlege, it is rarely used and
it doesn't always work).

Quote:
>     Good or bad, I assume this is an open forum for help, advice.. and
>even accounts of negative product experiences when they occur.

This has certainly been my experience.

Don

 
 
 

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Post by bruce burd » Wed, 28 Feb 1996 04:00:00



Quote:
> Recently I posted a review/complaint about the KMC 1/72 Dauntless
> detail set on the news group, stating: that in my opinion it does not
> fit properly and the design needs refinement. Within hours I received a

>    Grateful I was, however, I was also just equally concerned that my
> posting vanished from the news group nearly as fast as it appeared;
> fueling a suspicion that perhaps the news group is only interested in
> positive reviews  or that the person helping me has conflict of interest
> with himself and KMC.

        You must not have been here long. This group can be
    merciless to a product when warrented. Much more so that any
    publication that depends on advertiser dollars to survive.

        As for your article not "hanging around long", that is a
    site specific consideration made by the netnews administrator.
    Site's with plenty of disk space will tend to keep articles
    longer. News groups with little traffic will likewise keep
    articles on hand longer than newsgroups with a high number of
    posts.

        While it is possible to cancel an article, that too is
    usually done by a site administrator, and is a rare thing.
    Generally a cancellation is a) an originator requested
    cancellation (which some newsreaders will do without inter-
    vention), or b) the post is offensive and the readers raise
    a cry. Your post did neither.

        As has been noted in another post, there is no moderator
    for this group, no "higher authority" determining which posts
    are acceptable, etc. Anybody can post, regardless of content
    or appropriatness (ie, "spams" and "trolls"), events that are
    thankfully rare.

                                                Bruce
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