1981S SBA Type 2 RPM?

1981S SBA Type 2 RPM?

Post by howa » Sat, 12 Jul 1997 04:00:00



Anybody ever heard of a type 2 1981S Susie B. (proof) with
an S over S mintmark?

Under 20x magnification mine looks like that, but I can't
find mention of it in any of my reference books?

thanks,
howard

 
 
 

1981S SBA Type 2 RPM?

Post by Aram H. Haroutuni » Mon, 14 Jul 1997 04:00:00


I've never heard of one, but I think that there are a lot of type I
mm's of 1981 masquerading as type II's because of the confusion with
the 1979 type II's.  As I understand it, the 1979 type I mintmarks in
the proof sets were little more than blobs of metal sort of shaped
like the letter "S".  The 1979 "clear S" type II mintmark could never
be mistaken for the type I because of the tremendous difference in
clarity of the "S" in the type II.  The 1981 "clear "S" is, as I
understand it, a completely different situation.  The "S" mint mark
that is referred to as "Type I" is not a blob at all.  It is a normal
"S" with largish serifs that make it appear to some to resemble the
number "8".  The 1981 "clear S" type II mint marks, unlike the 1979
type II mm's are distinguished by their lack of large serifs and a
flat surface parallel to the field which resembles a mountain range
with the sharp peaks planed down so the mountain tops are level.  If I
am mistaken, Please let me know.  Regards, Aram.

Quote:

>Anybody ever heard of a type 2 1981S Susie B. (proof) with
>an S over S mintmark?
>Under 20x magnification mine looks like that, but I can't
>find mention of it in any of my reference books?
>thanks,
>howard


 
 
 

1981S SBA Type 2 RPM?

Post by Mike or Karen Lock » Mon, 14 Jul 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

> I've never heard of one, but I think that there are a lot of type I
> mm's of 1981 masquerading as type II's because of the confusion with
> the 1979 type II's.  As I understand it, the 1979 type I mintmarks in
> the proof sets were little more than blobs of metal sort of shaped
> like the letter "S".  The 1979 "clear S" type II mintmark could never
> be mistaken for the type I because of the tremendous difference in
> clarity of the "S" in the type II.  The 1981 "clear "S" is, as I
> understand it, a completely different situation.  The "S" mint mark
> that is referred to as "Type I" is not a blob at all.  It is a normal
> "S" with largish serifs that make it appear to some to resemble the
> number "8".  The 1981 "clear S" type II mint marks, unlike the 1979
> type II mm's are distinguished by their lack of large serifs and a
> flat surface parallel to the field which resembles a mountain range
> with the sharp peaks planed down so the mountain tops are level.  If I
> am mistaken, Please let me know.  Regards, Aram.

It is my understanding that the 1981 type 1 "S" is smaller
than the type 2 "S", with smaller serifs and a symmetric form.

While I fail to see the difference in the mm's from photos,
the one certified Suzy buck 1981-S type 2 "S" (PF68 deep cameo,
and undergraded!?) that I have seen the difference was "clear"
enough.

For 1981-S coins, the notation "clear S" and "filled S" is
useless, since either mm can appear filled or clear.

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1981S SBA Type 2 RPM?

Post by AnswerMa » Tue, 15 Jul 1997 04:00:00


As noted in previous posts the "clear" designation for the 1981-S mintmark
is at best confusing. The term stems from attempts by dealers to
distinguish the two varieties by the amount of field showing inside the
loops - something which has absolutely nothing to do with identifying the
two mintmarks.

The 1979-S Type I mintmark can best be described as a "blob." It is
roughly rectangular in shape, with a weak S on top of the blob, with no
indents in the sides  where the opening to the loops should be.

The 1979-S Type II mintmark is a symetrical S, which looks like it was
laid out with a compass. The loops are essentially perfect circles, with
distinct openings into the loops.

The 1981-S Type I mintmark is the same punch as the '79-S Type II.
Identical. Later stages however show deterioration of the punch with rough
edges.

The 1981-S Type II mintmark is from a new punch. The lower loop matches
the 1979-S II and 1981-S I, (perfect circle) but the upper loop is
different. The loop is elongated and flattened at the top. The serifs are
different, but cannot be used as markers as they are altered by the die
polishing prior to going into service.

I have a photo chart showing all four mintmarks, which I will send free to
anyone who requests it, and who includes an unused 32-cent stamp. Send
your request by snail mail to:

Alan Herbert
1010 Yuma St
Belle Fourche, SD 57717-2232
Alan Herbert - Contributing Editor, Numismatic Products - Krause Publications, Inc.
"The world's largest hobby publisher"