The Cheap Slab Store is now selling NTC slabs

The Cheap Slab Store is now selling NTC slabs

Post by Byron L. Ree » Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:36:20





Quote:
>Just received this email. I have sent them email telling them what my opinion is of NTC.
>Hopefully others will as well.

Pursuing the other definition of "cheap slab" aren't they?

BLReed

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The Cheap Slab Store is now selling NTC slabs

Post by Koing » Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:37:01


Man-O-Man Who gives a rats ass about your onesided opinion. I sent them an
E-Mail stating it is about time they started selling NTC slabs. It is nice to
see we have a choice of grading companies. If left to some people we would only
have one company that requires you to send a coin to a dealer so he can get his
finger prints on the coin and his cut. Then he gets e***d about what he see
then he offers the owner a price for the coin well below the real value.You
guys know this is going on !!!  man-o man !!! Wake Up People!!  Many great cost
effective grading companies are available for your coins. Why pay $85.00 for
coin grading when you can pay $6.00 and no dealer gets a cut..
THE DOGS ARE UP

 
 
 

The Cheap Slab Store is now selling NTC slabs

Post by Ira Ste » Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:24:52


Quote:
Eric Tillery writes:

<< Just received this email. I have sent them email telling them what my
opinion is of NTC.
Hopefully others will as well.

Quote:
>Subject: New Items in The Cheap Slab Store

>Hello:
>We have added 134 New Items to the inventory.  Included are
>our new and old specials running in Coin World and several
>other National Magazines.

>Most of the new items are nicely toned Lincoln Cents and Jefferson
>Nickels certified by NTC.  I will be adding Dimes through Dollars
>in the next email.  Some of these coins are simply gorgeous so try
>a couple to get an idea.

<snip>

It's really too bad that they took this business position. Previously, they
were selling coins in ANACS slabs, including mostly Unc examples IIRC. By
choosing this road, I'm afraid I must now lump them into the same category of
dealers that sell slabs of other bottom-feeder companies. This of course, is in
addition to the increase in number of dealers who are now selling their own
self-slabbed coins.

Congratulations are in order, Eric! You've now gotten the attention of our DOG
BREATH resident troll! You know, the KoinGuy that lies down with the dogs. The
guy that howls at the moon like his *** friends.

I used to do a fair amount of business with a one man ***ia dealer that
handled primarily NGC and PCGS slabbed coins. Although he never did trade in
ACG products, he's now "discovered" NTC and it seems that a lot of his
non-performing inventory is now suddenly in NTC slabs several grade points
higher than before. I asked him why he's doing this and his reply was the
time-worn "They sell!"

Too bad, I liked the guy, but he's lost my business and respect now.

Ira Stein

 
 
 

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Post by Ian » Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:30:48


 > Many great cost effective grading companies are available for your coins.

Many? where? name them?

Quote:
> Why pay $85.00 for coin grading when you can pay $6.00 and no dealer gets a cut..

why pay ANYTHING for coin grading?
 
 
 

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Post by Bruce Hickmo » Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:50:51



have written:

Quote:


> > Many great cost effective grading companies are available for your coins.

>Many? where? name them?

>> Why pay $85.00 for coin grading when you can pay $6.00 and no dealer gets a cut..

>why pay ANYTHING for coin grading?

Ian, your killfile is your friend! Be sure to put the troll back into it when
you're done playing.

Bruce

 
 
 

The Cheap Slab Store is now selling NTC slabs

Post by Eric Tiller » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 02:29:44



Quote:
>It's really too bad that they took this business position. Previously, they
>were selling coins in ANACS slabs, including mostly Unc examples IIRC. By
>choosing this road, I'm afraid I must now lump them into the same category of
>dealers that sell slabs of other bottom-feeder companies. This of course, is in
>addition to the increase in number of dealers who are now selling their own
>self-slabbed coins.

A while back they started to send stuff to ACG. Enough of us sent them negative
comments that they quit doing it. Hopefully, those of us who have bought from
them can exert the same pressure.

Quote:

>Congratulations are in order, Eric! You've now gotten the attention of our DOG
>BREATH resident troll! You know, the KoinGuy that lies down with the dogs. The
>guy that howls at the moon like his *** friends.

I saw that, but it has got to the point where I absolutely refuse to respond to his
troll posts.

Quote:

>I used to do a fair amount of business with a one man ***ia dealer that
>handled primarily NGC and PCGS slabbed coins. Although he never did trade in
>ACG products, he's now "discovered" NTC and it seems that a lot of his
>non-performing inventory is now suddenly in NTC slabs several grade points
>higher than before. I asked him why he's doing this and his reply was the
>time-worn "They sell!"

>Too bad, I liked the guy, but he's lost my business and respect now.

I don't know how people like the seller you mentioned above sleep.

I have a box full of problem coins, some of which are still worth three digits. If I
was a fraud, guess I could send them to NTC and get them in no-problem
holders. I have often thought about selling them on eBay, noting the problems,
but then I get this picture in my head of ACG/NTC/PCI sellers buying them.

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Post by Fred A. Murph » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 02:05:46



Quote:
> >> Why pay $85.00 for coin grading when you can pay $6.00 and no dealer
> >> gets a cut..

> >why pay ANYTHING for coin grading?
> Ian, your killfile is your friend! Be sure to put the troll back into it
> when you're done playing.

We all know the dogfaced AOL boy is a troll, but that doesn't make Ian's
point any less legitimate.  It's only in Amerika where people have so little
faith in what they see with their own eyes that they're willing to pay
stupid prices to have someone else tell them what the coin they have in
front of them looks like.

It would be different if they needed the authentication aspects of slobbing,
but well over 90%, maybe 99%, of slobbed coins are stuff that has never been
counterfeited or altered, and the cheapie grading services don't guarantee
their work, regardless.

Learn for yourself, and let's quit putting millions of collecting dollars a
year into the pockets of corporate sellers of plastic.

--

Sevareid's Law:
"The chief cause of problems is solutions."

 
 
 

The Cheap Slab Store is now selling NTC slabs

Post by Bruce Hickmo » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 02:44:29



alleged to have written:

Quote:


>> >> Why pay $85.00 for coin grading when you can pay $6.00 and no dealer
>> >> gets a cut..

>> >why pay ANYTHING for coin grading?

>> Ian, your killfile is your friend! Be sure to put the troll back into it
>> when you're done playing.

>We all know the dogfaced AOL boy is a troll, but that doesn't make Ian's
>point any less legitimate.  It's only in Amerika where people have so little
>faith in what they see with their own eyes that they're willing to pay
>stupid prices to have someone else tell them what the coin they have in
>front of them looks like.

We don't trust ourselves and we don't trust each other. As long as that is true,
there will be a place in the world for grading services.

Quote:
>It would be different if they needed the authentication aspects of slobbing,
>but well over 90%, maybe 99%, of slobbed coins are stuff that has never been
>counterfeited or altered, and the cheapie grading services don't guarantee
>their work, regardless.

Anymore, it's that magic registry set range that they are hunting. My collection
of state quarters has an average grade of 69.8, yours only averages 69.5 so
mine's better. Collectors of this type don't need the coins, just the slab
labels.

Quote:
>Learn for yourself, and let's quit putting millions of collecting dollars a
>year into the pockets of corporate sellers of plastic.

The choir agrees.

Bruce

 
 
 

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Post by Bob Peterso » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 03:16:04




<<snip>>

Quote:
> It would be different if they needed the authentication aspects of
slobbing,
> but well over 90%, maybe 99%, of slobbed coins are stuff that has never
been
> counterfeited or altered, and the cheapie grading services don't guarantee
> their work, regardless.

> Learn for yourself, and let's quit putting millions of collecting dollars
a
> year into the pockets of corporate sellers of plastic.

> --

> Sevareid's Law:
> "The chief cause of problems is solutions."

OTOH - I am somewhat fond of NTC as I was able to buy a small platinum eagle
in an NTC slab once for under spot.

:-)

I personally do not care a whit what holder the coin is in.  A 2X2 is as
good as a PCGS holder when I go to buy it, but I feel better if PCGS
authenticates it.  I am willing to pay extra for that good feeling for a
more valuable coin.  I won't pay an extra $5 or $10 to slab a $5 coin
though.

The one thing I do like about slabbed coins is that it is much safer to show
your coins to other people that way.  No fingerprints to worry about, etc.
And they do display nicely.

Now that the Coin World holders are available, if I wanted to put something
in a slab, I might just buy one of those instead.

 
 
 

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Post by Larry Cald » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 06:01:27


I emailed Alan about the NTC and part of his response goes basically like this:

We had some of our curious regulars asking for NTC so we sent them a batch
including some toned coins and odds and ends.

Then came the statement that the toned coins sell for their color not their
grade. So I wonder why they spent the money to have them graded.

Now comes an interesting statement that common Morgans sell for about the same
in any holder in the MS60 to MS65 range.. And we all know just how true that
is.

Then they say if the coins are not well received, then they will quit having
NTC certify them. Duh?  Does that not also apply to blue jeans, brassieres  and
whiskey?  If we can't sell it, we ain't gonna buy any more?

Then he mentioned that almost every dealer, large and small, at the C***te
show had several NTC slabs and that some had many.  I dunno as I was not there.

My own opinion is that I really do not need any coin bad enuf to get one in an
NTC slab.

hiz other account
PORCOS NON ABLOCAMUS,Y'all

Larry
http://www.FoundCollection.com/

 
 
 

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Post by Bob Peterso » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 06:27:26


Their business name is the cheap SLAB store afterall.  if their customers
want NTC slabs, I guess I can understand why they might sell them.

I personally have not seen enough of any slabs that are regularly condemned
here to make any kind of judgment on the slabbing company as a whole.  This
would include PCI (old and new), NTC, and even ACG.  The few slabs of any of
these companies I have seen did not appear to be that far off to my eyes.

There is a guy that comes to the Rockford show with cases of PCGS and NGC
bargain slabs, many of which look so bad I wonder that the grader didn't
throw up when he graded them. I don't hear anyone condemning them for
slabbing really ugly coins in grades that to my eyes appear to be just
fanciful.


Quote:
> I emailed Alan about the NTC and part of his response goes basically like
this:

> We had some of our curious regulars asking for NTC so we sent them a batch
> including some toned coins and odds and ends.

> Then came the statement that the toned coins sell for their color not
their
> grade. So I wonder why they spent the money to have them graded.

> Now comes an interesting statement that common Morgans sell for about the
same
> in any holder in the MS60 to MS65 range.. And we all know just how true
that
> is.

> Then they say if the coins are not well received, then they will quit
having
> NTC certify them. Duh?  Does that not also apply to blue jeans, brassieres
and
> whiskey?  If we can't sell it, we ain't gonna buy any more?

> Then he mentioned that almost every dealer, large and small, at the
C***te
> show had several NTC slabs and that some had many.  I dunno as I was not
there.

> My own opinion is that I really do not need any coin bad enuf to get one
in an
> NTC slab.

> hiz other account
> PORCOS NON ABLOCAMUS,Y'all

> Larry
> http://www.FoundCollection.com/

 
 
 

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Post by Koing » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 06:27:09


Ira . You need some serious help when it comes to coins and friends. Do you
have any friends left ? Based on your statement you just use people. Once you
buy all their coins you dump them like a piece of crap-o-la. Your greed is
showing and many here are starting to feel it. Look at what he said and
remember how loyal he is .. this reflects on him greatly.. I feel sorry for you
and may God Bless You and Save You !! You even upset me !!
DOGS ARE MANS BEST FRIEND  
 
 
 

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Post by Eric Tiller » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:36:20


Quote:

>I personally have not seen enough of any slabs that are regularly condemned
>here to make any kind of judgment on the slabbing company as a whole.  This
>would include PCI (old and new), NTC, and even ACG.  The few slabs of any of
>these companies I have seen did not appear to be that far off to my eyes.

Really? A refresher course..

Long Island Half ACG "MS65"

http://www.k6az.com/1936_longisland_acg65_obv.jpg

http://www.k6az.com/1936_longisland_acg65_rev.jpg

1895-O Morgan Dollar ACG "AU53"

http://www.k6az.com/1895o_date02.jpg

http://www.k6az.com/1895o_date01.jpg

http://www.k6az.com/1895o_A.jpg

http://www.k6az.com/1895o_obv_lg.jpg

http://www.k6az.com/1895o_rev_lg.jpg
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Post by Bob Peterso » Fri, 14 Feb 2003 07:32:23



Quote:


> >I personally have not seen enough of any slabs that are regularly
condemned
> >here to make any kind of judgment on the slabbing company as a whole.
This
> >would include PCI (old and new), NTC, and even ACG.  The few slabs of any
of
> >these companies I have seen did not appear to be that far off to my eyes.

> Really? A refresher course..

Note that I said PERSONALLY seen.

I doubt I there were even a few dozen ACG, new PCI, and NTC slabs combined
at the last Rockford show (compared to thousands and thousands of NGC, ICG,
PCGS, old PCI and a few SEGS, also 2 INS and I NCI that I saw).  Not much of
a sample.  And none of them looked to be that far off, if at all.  I
personally do not have the skills to reliably tell the difference between an
MS64 and an MS65 (nor does any else IMHO).

yet one dealer alone had several hundred really ugly PCGS and NGC bargain
slabs. None of which I would have graded at the grades NGC and PCGS chose to
give them.  I did not find any real bargains in his bargain bin at all.  I
did find a nice toned Ike dollar in a PCGS MS64 slab for $4 that I meant to
buy and forgot to.

my personal opinion is that the dealers that come to the Rockford show are
not interested in selling the new slabbers, probably because the market is
very slim for them.