E-Sylum, bargaining

E-Sylum, bargaining

Post by Reid Goldsboroug » Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:33:06



E-Sylum is a weekly email newsletter for numismatic bibliophiles
(lovers of literature), from Wayne Homren, and is very well done. You
can read more about it and subscribe here:

http://www.coinbooks.org

One of the shorts in this week's issue is about bargaining. Some truly
bizarre things were said about this subject recently in this
newsgroup. Here's something, on the other hand, that's truly funny
about it, a true story from a dealer, again from E-Sylum. I'm
paraphrasing:

A collector comes to the dealer's table at a coin show and asks about
a particular coin. The dealer says it's $8 and indicates that the
price is firm. The collector tries to bargain but to no avail. The
same collector tries the same thing with the same coin at the same
price at the following month's coin show, also with the same result.
The month after that, at the same show, the same collector asks for
the price of the same coin. This time the dealer says $12. The
collector offers $10. Deal!

--


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Post by Jeff R » Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:36:38



Quote:
> E-Sylum is a weekly email newsletter for numismatic bibliophiles
> (lovers of literature), from Wayne Homren, and is very well done. You
> can read more about it and subscribe here:

> http://www.coinbooks.org

> One of the shorts in this week's issue is about bargaining. Some truly
> bizarre things were said about this subject recently in this
> newsgroup. Here's something, on the other hand, that's truly funny
> about it, a true story from a dealer, again from E-Sylum. I'm
> paraphrasing:

> A collector comes to the dealer's table at a coin show and asks about
> a particular coin. The dealer says it's $8 and indicates that the
> price is firm. The collector tries to bargain but to no avail. The
> same collector tries the same thing with the same coin at the same
> price at the following month's coin show, also with the same result.
> The month after that, at the same show, the same collector asks for
> the price of the same coin. This time the dealer says $12. The
> collector offers $10. Deal!

Which illustrates rather nicely the "sense" in bargaining.

--
JR

 
 
 

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Post by Phil DeMa » Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:08:56


Quote:

>E-Sylum is a weekly email newsletter for numismatic bibliophiles
>(lovers of literature)....snip

If you think your readers are so dumb that you feel you have to define a word
immediately after using it, why use the word at all?

You could have simply said, "....e-mail newsletter for lovers of numismatic
literature".

You do this all of the time and it is irritating as well as insulting.

++++++++++
Phil DeMayo - always here for my fellow Stooge
When bidding online always sit on your helmet
Just say NO to counterfeits

 
 
 

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Post by joecoi » Tue, 28 Sep 2004 20:36:56




Quote:

>>E-Sylum is a weekly email newsletter for numismatic bibliophiles
>>(lovers of literature)....snip

> If you think your readers are so dumb that you feel you have to define
> a word immediately after using it, why use the word at all?

> You could have simply said, "....e-mail newsletter for lovers of
> numismatic literature".

> You do this all of the time and it is irritating as well as insulting.

> ++++++++++
> Phil DeMayo - always here for my fellow Stooge
> When bidding online always sit on your helmet
> Just say NO to counterfeits

Yes, but do you actually subscribe to that email newsletter? If you did,
you would find a short piece titled "FIRST COIN STILL A MATTER OF DEBATE",
written by your favorite *** boy. Then you could accuse him of posting
the above just to drive people to "E-Sylum", where they would find his
article.

--
Joecoin

Copper is as copper does.

 
 
 

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Post by Alan William » Tue, 28 Sep 2004 20:44:36


Quote:




> >>E-Sylum is a weekly email newsletter for numismatic bibliophiles
> >>(lovers of literature)....snip

> > If you think your readers are so dumb that you feel you have to define
> > a word immediately after using it, why use the word at all?

> > You could have simply said, "....e-mail newsletter for lovers of
> > numismatic literature".

> > You do this all of the time and it is irritating as well as insulting.

> > ++++++++++
> > Phil DeMayo - always here for my fellow Stooge
> > When bidding online always sit on your helmet
> > Just say NO to counterfeits

> Yes, but do you actually subscribe to that email newsletter? If you did,
> you would find a short piece titled "FIRST COIN STILL A MATTER OF DEBATE",
> written by your favorite *** boy. Then you could accuse him of posting
> the above just to drive people to "E-Sylum", where they would find his
> article.

LOL!!

Self-promotion of a majordomo by the self-published and self-important
Numismatic Troll of the Decade!! Thanks, Joe.  You made me laugh out
loud.  

Alan
'it figured'

 
 
 

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Post by Michael E. Marot » Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:31:28


Quote:

>>E-Sylum is a weekly email newsletter for numismatic bibliophiles
>>(lovers of literature)....snip

f> If you think your readers are so dumb that you feel you have to
define a word
f> immediately after using it, why use the word at all?
f> You could have simply said, "....e-mail newsletter for lovers of
numismatic
f> literature".

Well, technically, of course a BIBLIO - PHILE is "a lover of books"
rather than a "lover of literature." Similarly, a philosopher is a
"lover of wisdom" rather than, say, a "lover of knowledge" or a
"pursuer of learning" or a "friend of inquiry" or whatever.

Also, the e-sylum is the electronic maillist of the Numismatic
Bibliomania Society.  So, you'd have to call them "bibliomaniacs," as
they call themselves, and then define that as "people who are crazy
about books."  (Crazy, itself, is only an analogy, attempting to
explain a mental state by a reference to old ceramic household goods.
The same is true of "crackpot."  In-sane means "unclean" but also
"unhealthy," so that is probably better: "people insane because of
books.")

Anyway, the point here is that for this newsgroup, a writer might or
might not feel a need to define "bibliophile" or "bibliomaniac," but
should correctly define the appropriate word.

Mike M.

 
 
 

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Post by Scot Kamin » Wed, 29 Sep 2004 00:35:26




Quote:

> >E-Sylum is a weekly email newsletter for numismatic bibliophiles
> >(lovers of literature)....snip

> If you think your readers are so dumb that you feel you have to define a word
> immediately after using it, why use the word at all?

> You could have simply said, "....e-mail newsletter for lovers of numismatic
> literature".

> You do this all of the time and it is irritating as well as insulting.

You forgot pedantic and pompous. :-D
 
 
 

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Post by note.bo » Wed, 29 Sep 2004 05:49:00


"Words easy to be understood do often hit the mark, when high and
learned ones do only pierce the air."  John Bunyon.

There are a few here that should bear this in mind before posting.
Billy

Quote:


> >>E-Sylum is a weekly email newsletter for numismatic bibliophiles
> >>(lovers of literature)....snip

> f> If you think your readers are so dumb that you feel you have to
> define a word
> f> immediately after using it, why use the word at all?
> f> You could have simply said, "....e-mail newsletter for lovers of
> numismatic
> f> literature".

> Well, technically, of course a BIBLIO - PHILE is "a lover of books"
> rather than a "lover of literature." Similarly, a philosopher is a
> "lover of wisdom" rather than, say, a "lover of knowledge" or a
> "pursuer of learning" or a "friend of inquiry" or whatever.

> Also, the e-sylum is the electronic maillist of the Numismatic
> Bibliomania Society.  So, you'd have to call them "bibliomaniacs," as
> they call themselves, and then define that as "people who are crazy
> about books."  (Crazy, itself, is only an analogy, attempting to
> explain a mental state by a reference to old ceramic household goods.
> The same is true of "crackpot."  In-sane means "unclean" but also
> "unhealthy," so that is probably better: "people insane because of
> books.")

> Anyway, the point here is that for this newsgroup, a writer might or
> might not feel a need to define "bibliophile" or "bibliomaniac," but
> should correctly define the appropriate word.

> Mike M.

 
 
 

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Post by Alan William » Wed, 29 Sep 2004 06:08:02


Quote:

> Books are interesting, but
> so is other literature.

Well, that about covers it.

Alan
'animals are interesting, but so are birds'

 
 
 

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Post by Phil DeMa » Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:33:53


Quote:

>Yes, but do you actually subscribe to that email newsletter? If
>you did, you would find a short piece titled "FIRST COIN STILL A
>MATTER OF DEBATE", written by your favorite *** boy.

He isn't my favorite anything.

Quote:
>Then you could accuse him of posting the above just to drive
>people to "E-Sylum", where they would find his article.

It wouldn't be the first time he engaged in shameless self-promotion, whether
using his own name or one he made up.

++++++++++
Phil DeMayo - always here for my fellow Stooge
When bidding online always sit on your helmet
Just say NO to counterfeits

 
 
 

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Post by joecoi » Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:16:15




Quote:

>> Books are interesting, but
>> so is other literature.

> Well, that about covers it.

> Alan
> 'animals are interesting, but so are birds'

I'm not as concerned about the weather as I am about the rain.

(I'm sure Mr Goldsborough is refering to pamphlets, newspapers, etc.)

--
Joecoin

Copper is as copper does.

 
 
 

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Post by joecoi » Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:18:18




Quote:



>> >E-Sylum is a weekly email newsletter for numismatic bibliophiles
>> >(lovers of literature)....snip

>> If you think your readers are so dumb that you feel you have to
>> define a word immediately after using it, why use the word at all?

>> You could have simply said, "....e-mail newsletter for lovers of
>> numismatic literature".

>> You do this all of the time and it is irritating as well as
>> insulting.

> You forgot pedantic and pompous. :-D

Smells like a paradigm shift.

--
Joecoin

Copper is as copper does.

 
 
 

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Post by Alan William » Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:32:29


Quote:




> >> Books are interesting, but
> >> so is other literature.

> > Well, that about covers it.

> > Alan
> > 'animals are interesting, but so are birds'

> I'm not as concerned about the weather as I am about the rain.

> (I'm sure Mr Goldsborough is refering to pamphlets, newspapers, etc.)

If that's his intention, the proper word is 'publications'.  The primary
definition of 'literature' according to my Handy-Dandy Merriam-Webster
is "the production of written works having excellence of form or
expression and dealings with ideas of permanent interest" .  The
secondary definition is "the written works produced in a particular
country, language or age".  

I think it is not possible to know Reid's intended thought from the
quoted sentence above, as it is unclear.  All I can make of it is that
books are interesting, but so are other things.  

I agree.  But I'm not sure there's much point to stating such an obvious idea.

Alan
'nit-picking available at hourly rates'

 
 
 

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Post by joecoi » Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:48:08




Quote:




>> >> Books are interesting, but
>> >> so is other literature.

>> > Well, that about covers it.

>> > Alan
>> > 'animals are interesting, but so are birds'

>> I'm not as concerned about the weather as I am about the rain.

>> (I'm sure Mr Goldsborough is refering to pamphlets, newspapers, etc.)

> If that's his intention, the proper word is 'publications'.  The
> primary definition of 'literature' according to my Handy-Dandy
> Merriam-Webster is "the production of written works having excellence
> of form or expression and dealings with ideas of permanent interest" .
>  The secondary definition is "the written works produced in a
> particular country, language or age".  

> I think it is not possible to know Reid's intended thought from the
> quoted sentence above, as it is unclear.  All I can make of it is that
> books are interesting, but so are other things.  

> I agree.  But I'm not sure there's much point to stating such an
> obvious idea.

> Alan
> 'nit-picking available at hourly rates'

OK, I'll keep guessing at his intent:

He really meant " Books are interesting, but
 so is other  NUMISMATIC literature. "

Whaddaya think?

--
Joecoin

Copper is as copper does.

 
 
 

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Post by Alan William » Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:01:54


Quote:

(Snip)

> OK, I'll keep guessing at his intent:

> He really meant " Books are interesting, but
>  so is other  NUMISMATIC literature. "

I'd be more willing to believe that had he not based Ankaaz on the same
day for pointing to two catalogs as references.  Surely they are
'numismatic literature', but he seemed to think them fatally flawed.

Alan
'consistency counts'