1981 proof set type 2

1981 proof set type 2

Post by JOP » Thu, 02 May 2002 10:47:36



Hi All,
Does anyone have a photo link or direct access to the clear s type coins in
this set. I've seen several proof sets and in all at least 1-2 coins seem to
have some fill in they s mint marks. I can only assume they are not a full set
of typr 2s. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks, John
 
 
 

1981 proof set type 2

Post by Phil DeMa » Thu, 02 May 2002 10:53:35


Quote:

>Hi All, Does anyone have a photo link or direct access to the
>clear s type coins in this set. I've seen several proof sets and in
>all at least 1-2 coins seem to have some fill in they s mint marks.
>I can only assume they are not a full set
>of typr 2s. Any help would be appreciated.

If you gave a Redbook turn to the section on Susan B. Anthony dollars. There
are pictures there of the differences in Type I and Type II mintmarks for 1979
and 1981.

Keep in mind that the so-called "clear S" for 1979 (type II) is actually the
"filled S" for 1981 (type I).

++++++++++
Phil DeMayo
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1981 proof set type 2

Post by JOP » Thu, 02 May 2002 11:09:56


Quote:

>If you gave a Redbook turn to the section on Susan B. Anthony dollars. There
>are pictures there of the differences in Type I and Type II mintmarks for
>1979
>and 1981.

>Keep in mind that the so-called "clear S" for 1979 (type II) is actually the
>"filled S" for 1981 (type I).

>++++++++++
>Phil DeMayo
>When bidding online
>Always sit on your helmet

Thanks Phil, Any idea about the other coins in the set?
 
 
 

1981 proof set type 2

Post by Phil DeMa » Thu, 02 May 2002 11:50:09


Quote:

>Thanks Phil, Any idea about the other coins in the set?

The pictures apply to 1979, 1981 Type I and Type II mintmarks on all
denominations....not just the SBAs.

++++++++++
Phil DeMayo
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Always sit on your helmet

 
 
 

1981 proof set type 2

Post by DOND » Thu, 02 May 2002 13:20:55



writes:

Quote:
>Hi All,
>Does anyone have a photo link or direct access to the clear s type coins in
>this set. I've seen several proof sets and in all at least 1-2 coins seem to
>have some fill in they s mint marks. I can only assume they are not a full
>set
>of typr 2s. Any help would be appreciated.
>Thanks, John

The real problem, John, is that the photo's captions refer to "filled" s versus
"clear s, when that terminology only serves to confuse the issue.  "Filled" vs
"clear" was used to determine types one and two on the 1979 sets...but the
determining factor for type one vs type two 1981 sets is the "SHAPE" of the
loops on the "s" not the "filling".  This is quite forcefully brought home by
the fact that the type 2 mm punch used in 1979 IS THE SAME PUNCH that made the
type 1 mm on 1981 coins!

So, the "fill" on 1981 coins has nothing to do with whether the coin is type
one or type two.  Frankly, most ALL 1981 mms are "clear".  That's why I see
anywhere from 3-10 erroneously identified 1981 SBA proof at every larger show I
attend.  Many people who purchase these things from dealers who either don't
know the difference or choose to ignore the difference knowing their customers
probably can't tell, stick the coins in their collections and never know
they've been ripped off.

You need to know what you're buying, (or at least know your dealer knows what
he's doing) when purchasing type 2 1981 proof coins...and never waste money
purchasing a complete set.  Most are sets that have been cracked open and
super-glued back together after the type 1 coins have been removed and replaced
by type 2 coins.  It's much more prudent to buy the 6 coins and put them in an
aftermarket holder if you want a set.  If you MUST have an original gov't
packaged set, examine the seams and even the red insert VERY closely for signs
of tampering.  If you see ANYTHING indicating contact with the red insert or
any fracturing around the edge seam, don't purchase it; it's probably cracked
open and resealed.

I never saw a complete set I was even tempted to buy until the 2nd or third
generation of modern "super-glues" came on the market.  I purchased 30 sets
from the gov't in December of 1981 and while I had 27 type 2 SBAs and a
preponderance of type 2 JFKs and Lincoln cents and Jefferson nickels, not one
of the sets was "complete", mostly due to the absence of type 2 quarters, a
relatively high mintage type 2 in 1981, if estimates are to be believed.  I
just don't think the assemblers ever got all 6 type 2 coins together at the
same time...or at least for any great amount of time.

dondi3

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1981 proof set type 2

Post by Alan Herber » Fri, 03 May 2002 06:04:03


Perhaps a description of the two 1981 mintmark varieties will be of help.
The same punch was used for the 1979 Type II, the 1980 and the 1981 Type I.
By6 mid-year it was beginning to deteriorate, degrading  the outline of the
S to a limited extent, so it was replaced by the 1981 Type II punch.

The 1981 Type I punch has "perfect circle" upper and lower loops. The 1981
Type II has the same perfect circle lower loop, but the upper loop is
elongated and flattened at the top. This is the only difference between the
two varieties. Ignore the descriptive terms as "filled" means that the
design element is missing, and "clear" is unclear as to meaning. Ken Potter
has pictures of the four varieties at his web site. I just changed computers
and don't have the URL.
Alan Herbert