Certification Company Rankings, CDN

Certification Company Rankings, CDN

Post by Larry Cald » Tue, 28 Jan 2003 04:14:06



I just pulled the Jan 17th CDN out of the mail and read the "Coin Dealer
Newsletter Certified Coin Market Indicator.  They list 6 certification
companies, PCGS, NGC, ANACS, PCI, NCI and INS.  They show a weekly comparision
of certified coin bid levels, relative to CDN sight-seen bid levels (as 100%)
taken from 10 US Coin Series.

They range from a high average of 85.34% for PCGS to a low of 35.59% for INS
blue certs..

No where is there any comparison to ACG, no where.  In other areas, you can
find a raw bid price for circulated rolls of undated Buffalo Nickels, bid $5.00
ask $5.50 or a raw 2000P Unc Brass Buck at $1.10 bid and $1.20 ask.

But no where, absolutely NO where is there even the mention of ACG.

What would a discerning collector draw from such a blatant omission??

Here is a poser, strictly for discussion purposes..........Remember this is a
demonstration not a contest.

QUESTION
Is the absence of any one certification firm or service from the from the best
known and recognized pricing souce bode well for it's ultimate acceptance as a
peer???

ANOTHER QUESTION
How long has it been since you've had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand
Chili??  Has it been since you learned how to make chili from scratch?

LAST QUESTION
Are you a chili purist or do you use stuff like onion or tomato in your
chili.....or even (ugh) beans?

PORCOS NON ABLOCAMUS, y'all
Larry
http://www.texascoinstuff.com/

 
 
 

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Post by JSTONE93 » Tue, 28 Jan 2003 04:21:23


Quote:

>But no where, absolutely NO where is there even the mention of ACG.

>What would a discerning collector draw from such a blatant omission??

That ACG gets no respect for their grading
skills among serious collectors
and reputable dealers?

 
 
 

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Post by Ed Hendrick » Tue, 28 Jan 2003 05:10:14


Quote:

> LAST QUESTION
> Are you a chili purist or do you use stuff like onion or tomato in
> your chili.....or even (ugh) beans?

> PORCOS NON ABLOCAMUS, y'all
> Larry
> http://www.texascoinstuff.com/

--

I use onion, tomato AND beans in my chili!  :^)  Not to mention green bell
peppers.  Yum, Yum.

Ed Hendricks
ANA# R178621
eBay:  edh.

 
 
 

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Post by Larry Cald » Tue, 28 Jan 2003 05:15:32


Quote:

>I use onion, tomato AND beans in my chili!  :^)  Not to mention green bell
>peppers.  Yum, Yum.

I believe this should more correctly read".........AND beans in my vegtetable
and beef soup"

hiz other account
PORCOS NON ABLOCAMUS,Y'all

Larry
http://www.texascoinstuff.com

 
 
 

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Post by Stujo » Tue, 28 Jan 2003 05:21:48



Calder spoke thusly...

Quote:
> I just pulled the Jan 17th CDN out of the mail and read the "Coin Dealer
> Newsletter Certified Coin Market Indicator.  They list 6 certification
> companies, PCGS, NGC, ANACS, PCI, NCI and INS.  They show a weekly comparision
> of certified coin bid levels, relative to CDN sight-seen bid levels (as 100%)
> taken from 10 US Coin Series.

> They range from a high average of 85.34% for PCGS to a low of 35.59% for INS
> blue certs..

> No where is there any comparison to ACG, no where.  In other areas, you can
> find a raw bid price for circulated rolls of undated Buffalo Nickels, bid $5.00
> ask $5.50 or a raw 2000P Unc Brass Buck at $1.10 bid and $1.20 ask.

> But no where, absolutely NO where is there even the mention of ACG.

> What would a discerning collector draw from such a blatant omission??

> Here is a poser, strictly for discussion purposes..........Remember this is a
> demonstration not a contest.

Let's see...I only own one slab...so this is going to be a
toughie...Hmmm...Fire up the old Powers of Deductive Reasoning...

I can only think of one conclusion. Since I see some services called
NCI and INS which I have never seen up for sale in real life and
since I don't see services such as ICG, SEGS and ACG which I see
quite often, I can only conclude that the CDN is horribly out of date
and not a reflection of anything.

Or maybe I can conclude something else...that since SEGS, ACG, and
ICG are not in the CDN, those services must be of equally low quality
and that PCI, which is in the CDN, must be better than all 3 of them.

Am I right?

--
Stu Miller
ICQ:159336182 AIM:stujoe Yahoo:stujoe
See the new exhibits in the Virtual Museum at:
http://www.thestujoecollection.com/museum/1900room.htm

 
 
 

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Post by SJCOHEN7 » Tue, 28 Jan 2003 06:14:36


Quote:
>I can only think of one conclusion. Since I see some services called
>NCI and INS which I have never seen up for sale in real life and
>since I don't see services such as ICG, SEGS and ACG which I see
>quite often, I can only conclude that the CDN is horribly out of date
>and not a reflection of anything.

>Or maybe I can conclude something else...that since SEGS, ACG, and
>ICG are not in the CDN, those services must be of equally low quality
>and that PCI, which is in the CDN, must be better than all 3 of them.

>Am I right?

>--
>Stu Miller
>ICQ:159336182 AIM:stujoe Yahoo:stujoe
>See the new exhibits in the Virtual Museum at:
>http://www.thestujoecollection.com/museum/1900room.htm

The real problem is that CDN does not want to answer the question why NCI & INS
continue to be shown in every issue without any real data while the others
(ICG, SEGS & ACG) do not appear at all. While I believe their reporting for
PCGS, NGC, and ANACS is reasonably accurate, the inclusion of NCI and INS is a
joke. If ANYBODY can get a straight answer from CDN on this, let us know. Steve
 
 
 

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Post by JSTONE93 » Tue, 28 Jan 2003 06:23:44


Quote:
>he inclusion of NCI and INS is a
>joke. If ANYBODY can get a straight answer from CDN on this, let us know.
>Steve

NCI was the inhouse grading service
for Heritage.  When was the last time
anyone even saw an NCI graded coin?

The grading service went under years ago
and I would guess most of the coins graded by NCI have since been sent to other
grading services to be regraded.

It seems silly to still be listing NCI in the
CDN.  

 
 
 

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Post by BTTR » Tue, 28 Jan 2003 06:25:45


Quote:
>Here is a poser, strictly for discussion purposes..........Remember this is a
>demonstration not a contest.

>QUESTION
>Is the absence of any one certification firm or service from the from the
>best
>known and recognized pricing souce bode well for it's ultimate acceptance as
>a
>peer???

>ANOTHER QUESTION
>How long has it been since you've had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf
>Brand
>Chili??  Has it been since you learned how to make chili from scratch?

>LAST QUESTION
>Are you a chili purist or do you use stuff like onion or tomato in your
>chili.....or even (ugh) beans?

Item 1. I don't think I have ever had Wolf brand chili.  If its any
good...well!!

Home made chili--It has been quite a while since I have made any but I used to
be pretty good at it.  Slow simmered, with or without beans, plenty of "good"
spicey seasonings.

item 2.  I like chili.  I don't like tomatoes, but onions and a "good" cheddar
does it no harm.  Beans or not makes little difference in enjoying same topped
off with enough "smooth" hot sauce to keep the fire stoked!!

bttr2     jim

 
 
 

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Post by Chrysta Wilso » Tue, 28 Jan 2003 07:33:21




Quote:
> I just pulled the Jan 17th CDN out of the mail and read the "Coin Dealer
> Newsletter Certified Coin Market Indicator.  They list 6 certification
> companies, PCGS, NGC, ANACS, PCI, NCI and INS.  They show a weekly comparision
> of certified coin bid levels, relative to CDN sight-seen bid levels (as 100%)
> taken from 10 US Coin Series.

> They range from a high average of 85.34% for PCGS to a low of 35.59% for INS
> blue certs..

> No where is there any comparison to ACG, no where.  In other areas, you can
> find a raw bid price for circulated rolls of undated Buffalo Nickels, bid $5.00
> ask $5.50 or a raw 2000P Unc Brass Buck at $1.10 bid and $1.20 ask.

> But no where, absolutely NO where is there even the mention of ACG.

> What would a discerning collector draw from such a blatant omission??

> Here is a poser, strictly for discussion purposes..........Remember this is a
> demonstration not a contest.

> QUESTION
> Is the absence of any one certification firm or service from the from the best
> known and recognized pricing souce bode well for it's ultimate acceptance as a
> peer???

> ANOTHER QUESTION
> How long has it been since you've had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand
> Chili??  Has it been since you learned how to make chili from scratch?

> LAST QUESTION
> Are you a chili purist or do you use stuff like onion or tomato in your
> chili.....or even (ugh) beans?

> PORCOS NON ABLOCAMUS, y'all
> Larry
> http://www.texascoinstuff.com/

I have never once had chili. Never in my life. I think you should e-mail
me a recipe, and I will rectify this ommission. I figure a Texan can give
me a good recipe!

Chrysta

 
 
 

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Post by Larry Cald » Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:08:10


Okay, I will send you an honest to gosh Texas Chili Recipe by emai now.

PORCOS NON ABLOCAMUS, Y'all

Larry
http://www.texascoinstuff.com
Reasonable Prices and Decent Service

 
 
 

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Post by High Plains Writ » Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:49:58



Quote:
> How long has it been since you've had a big, thick,
> steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili??  
> Has it been since you learned how to make chili from scratch?

Sorry, Partner, but I do not recognize the brand.

Quote:
> LAST QUESTION
> Are you a chili purist or do you use stuff like onion or tomato
> in your chili.....or even (ugh) beans?

Being a less-meat kind of guy, I confess to beans and rice, and tofu,
stirred in along with the meat.  Tomato and onion are IMPORTANT to
good chili, Pard, so don't let's have a range war over it.  However,
before we take to our shootin' irons, we should define CHILI. or ...
CHILE...  One is the pepper, and the other is food made from it.
Myself, I like plain old roasted Hatch green chili.  It makes
everything come alive.  Red chili is a nice balance, like when you
have red corn chips, blue corn chips, and yellow corn chips, then you
know you have one from each food group.

Here's one: we get these corn chips from Canada.  Yup.  And they are
cheaper than the local brands.  And they are organic to boot.  Figger
that.

 
 
 

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Post by JAS » Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:53:53


What I want to know is who are NCI and INS?

Why does the CDN still list these services?

IS is the same reason they don't list ICG and SEGS?

ACG just plane SUCKS, IMHO.

JAM

Quote:

> I just pulled the Jan 17th CDN out of the mail and read the "Coin Dealer
> Newsletter Certified Coin Market Indicator.  They list 6 certification
> companies, PCGS, NGC, ANACS, PCI, NCI and INS.  They show a weekly comparision
> of certified coin bid levels, relative to CDN sight-seen bid levels (as 100%)
> taken from 10 US Coin Series.

> They range from a high average of 85.34% for PCGS to a low of 35.59% for INS
> blue certs..

> No where is there any comparison to ACG, no where.  In other areas, you can
> find a raw bid price for circulated rolls of undated Buffalo Nickels, bid $5.00
> ask $5.50 or a raw 2000P Unc Brass Buck at $1.10 bid and $1.20 ask.

> But no where, absolutely NO where is there even the mention of ACG.

> What would a discerning collector draw from such a blatant omission??

> Here is a poser, strictly for discussion purposes..........Remember this is a
> demonstration not a contest.

> QUESTION
> Is the absence of any one certification firm or service from the from the best
> known and recognized pricing souce bode well for it's ultimate acceptance as a
> peer???

> ANOTHER QUESTION
> How long has it been since you've had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand
> Chili??  Has it been since you learned how to make chili from scratch?

> LAST QUESTION
> Are you a chili purist or do you use stuff like onion or tomato in your
> chili.....or even (ugh) beans?

> PORCOS NON ABLOCAMUS, y'all
> Larry
> http://www.texascoinstuff.com/

 
 
 

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Post by Larry Cald » Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:49:22


Quote:

>Being a less-meat kind of guy, I confess to beans and rice, and tofu,
>stirred in along with the meat.  Tomato and onion are IMPORTANT to
>good chili, Pard, so don't let's have a range war over it.

That explains a lot of things, tofu, tomatos, onion??.  Hatch Chili IMHO are
more trouble than they are worth if you have to roast them yourself. Roast,
sweat, peel.  The Hatch is merely a vegetable to some and to others it is a
religion. I vote veggie.

Give me a chili pequin ( I may have spelled that wrong).  You know, the little
chinaberry looking rascals that literally take your breath away and cause sweat
to instantaneously pop out on your forehead. Failing that, get a small bottle
of capsaicin and put a drop of that in the mix.  Nope, better not, it would
melt the tofu.  

Any true Texan knows what chili can carne  is, how they have shortened the name
over time and what it means.

Your mixture would make Frank Tolbert roll over in his grave.  Shame on you and
a pox n your house (just a mini-pox tho).

hiz other account
PORCOS NON ABLOCAMUS,Y'all

Larry
http://www.texascoinstuff.com

 
 
 

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Post by Bruce Hickmo » Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:05:45



written:

Quote:
>I just pulled the Jan 17th CDN out of the mail and read the "Coin Dealer
>Newsletter Certified Coin Market Indicator.  They list 6 certification
>companies, PCGS, NGC, ANACS, PCI, NCI and INS.  They show a weekly comparision
>of certified coin bid levels, relative to CDN sight-seen bid levels (as 100%)
>taken from 10 US Coin Series.

>They range from a high average of 85.34% for PCGS to a low of 35.59% for INS
>blue certs..

>No where is there any comparison to ACG, no where.  In other areas, you can
>find a raw bid price for circulated rolls of undated Buffalo Nickels, bid $5.00
>ask $5.50 or a raw 2000P Unc Brass Buck at $1.10 bid and $1.20 ask.

>But no where, absolutely NO where is there even the mention of ACG.

>What would a discerning collector draw from such a blatant omission??

>Here is a poser, strictly for discussion purposes..........Remember this is a
>demonstration not a contest.

>QUESTION
>Is the absence of any one certification firm or service from the from the best
>known and recognized pricing souce bode well for it's ultimate acceptance as a
>peer???

No. But this is not news.

Quote:
>ANOTHER QUESTION
>How long has it been since you've had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand
>Chili??  Has it been since you learned how to make chili from scratch?

Never ate one in my life. my mom made great chili and she taught me.

Quote:
>LAST QUESTION
>Are you a chili purist or do you use stuff like onion or tomato in your
>chili.....or even (ugh) beans?

All of the above,  given a choice.

Bruce (And if it's too soupy, I add crackers too!)

 
 
 

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Post by Koing » Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:30:07


Why would anyone depend on CDN for this type of information. Once again you
people must really be brain dead to depend on the CDN to do your thinking for
you .. ACG is still rated in the top three grading companies as I see it.
Anyway I buy the coin.. DO YOU ??

DOGS WILL BE DOGS WILL BE DOGS