Type 1 and Type 2 proofs

Type 1 and Type 2 proofs

Post by Jim Gosne » Thu, 23 Jan 1997 04:00:00



I'm looking for a definitive answer to this one.. (Alan, are you
listening?)  :)

Two questions:
1)  I know that there are both Type 1 and 2 proofs for each denomination
minted in 1979.  But the RedBook lists only Type 2 proofs for the cent
and dollar in 1981.  Yet I see adverti***ts offering Type 2 proofs for
the other 1981 denominations.  Do they or do they not exist for the
nickel, dime, quarter, and half of 1981?

2)  Regardless of date and denomination, are Type 1 proofs all referred
to as "filled S" and Type 2 proofs all referred to as "clear S"?

Thank you
--
Jim Gosney
Jefferson Nickel Enthusiast
http://www.FoundCollection.com/~jdgosne

 
 
 

Type 1 and Type 2 proofs

Post by don.. » Fri, 24 Jan 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

>1)  I know that there are both Type 1 and 2 proofs for each denomination
>minted in 1979.  But the RedBook lists only Type 2 proofs for the cent
>and dollar in 1981.  Yet I see adverti***ts offering Type 2 proofs for
>the other 1981 denominations.  Do they or do they not exist for the
>nickel, dime, quarter, and half of 1981?

>2)  Regardless of date and denomination, are Type 1 proofs all referred
>to as "filled S" and Type 2 proofs all referred to as "clear S"?

1)  There are, most certainly, type II 1981 proofs for all 6
denominations.  The
nickel type II is actually cheaper than the type I, but the dime quarter
and half all carry premiums of their own for type IIs. The cent & dollar
are by far the highest priced and perhaps this is why you don't see a
listing for the other denominations, although the half retails around
$8-$9 so I am surprised to hear you say its not listed.  If anyone is
interested, I'll post a listing of the various single coin bids from the
greysheet, where they carry roll bid prices for all 6 coins.  

2)  It is incorrect to refer to the '81 mintmarks as "filled" or "clear"
in determining value.  These characteristics are determined by the force
with which the mintmark was punched into the die and the terms are totally
irrelevant as to whether the mintmark is a I or a II.  The distinguishing
features of the 81 type II mintmark are in the >shape< of the upper &
lower loops.  The type I 1981 actually has a perfectly round upper loop
(after all, its really the 1979 type II punch!!) while the 81 type II has
a slightly horizontally flattened appearance.  In retrospect, it would
have been much less confusinng had we named them type I, II, and III
because the 79 type II and the
81 type I are exactly the same.  They are the same punch.

Dondi3

 
 
 

Type 1 and Type 2 proofs

Post by \ » Fri, 24 Jan 1997 04:00:00


Both varieties exist for 1981 (see redbook pg. 69).  Coin World in their
last 2 issues listed the 5, 50 and $1 coin trends.
"209"


Quote:
> I'm looking for a definitive answer to this one.. (Alan, are you
> listening?)  :)

> Two questions:
> 1)  I know that there are both Type 1 and 2 proofs for each denomination
> minted in 1979.  But the RedBook lists only Type 2 proofs for the cent
> and dollar in 1981.  Yet I see adverti***ts offering Type 2 proofs for
> the other 1981 denominations.  Do they or do they not exist for the
> nickel, dime, quarter, and half of 1981?

> 2)  Regardless of date and denomination, are Type 1 proofs all referred
> to as "filled S" and Type 2 proofs all referred to as "clear S"?

> Thank you
> --
> Jim Gosney
> Jefferson Nickel Enthusiast
> http://www.FoundCollection.com/~jdgosne

 
 
 

Type 1 and Type 2 proofs

Post by answerm.. » Fri, 24 Jan 1997 04:00:00


In article Jim Gosney  writes:

Quote:
> Regardless of date and denomination, are Type 1 proofs all referred
>to as "filled S" and Type 2 proofs all referred to as "clear S"?

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Unfortunately, the Red Book has been mislabeling the Type I 1979-S and
1981-S
coins for years, despite efforts to get them to correct it. A filled
letter means that the mintmark is gone from the coin. Since this is
obviously not the case, the usage is incorrect.

More properly, the Type I is a worn punch minting variety. The Type II is
a new punch.

Despite the lack of listings, the Type II mintmarks appear on all six
coins for 1981 proofs.

Alan

Alan Herbert - Contributing Editor, Numismatic Products - Krause
Publications, Inc.
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