BILLPOINT BITES THE BIG ONE...

BILLPOINT BITES THE BIG ONE...

Post by Dave Goldsmi » Wed, 23 May 2001 12:55:35



Attention BILLPOINT sellers:
The address BILLPOINT provides you is NOT NECESSARILY the billing
address of the buyer's credit card. I just had an $1100 chargeback
from 5 MONTHS ago, because the coin was not sent to the billing
address. NO investigation or help from BILLPOINT. I have closed my
account, and will not re-join until they verify the billing address of
cards submitted, PROVIDE them, and guarantee NO chargebacks (AS PAYPAL
DOES)... Any comments?????????
 
 
 

BILLPOINT BITES THE BIG ONE...

Post by Ken Bar » Wed, 23 May 2001 16:39:14



Quote:

> Attention BILLPOINT sellers:
> The address BILLPOINT provides you is NOT NECESSARILY the billing
> address of the buyer's credit card. I just had an $1100 chargeback
> from 5 MONTHS ago, because the coin was not sent to the billing
> address. NO investigation or help from BILLPOINT. I have closed my
> account, and will not re-join until they verify the billing address of
> cards submitted, PROVIDE them, and guarantee NO chargebacks (AS PAYPAL
> DOES)... Any comments?????????

You may want to check the PayPal Terms of Use
a little more closely, especially section IV, part 4 ...

# Credit Card Transactions: The Buyer Protection Policy does
# not obviate any other consumer rights Users may have,
# including chargeback rights that may be granted by a User's
# credit card issuer.  PayPal is the merchant of record with
# respect to all credit card transactions through the PayPal
# service to purchase goods or service. As such, we afford
# customers the rights and privileges expected of a credit
# card transaction. You acknowledge that PayPal does not
# control the outcome of any chargeback decision initiated
# through a customer's credit card issuing bank.

FWIW, the ratio of "PAYPAL SUCKS, I'M GONNA USE BILLPOINT"
to "BILLPOINT SUCKS, I'M GONNA USE PAYPAL" declarations
seems to be about 5:1 on the various user bulletin boards ...

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BILLPOINT BITES THE BIG ONE...

Post by Phi » Wed, 23 May 2001 17:08:35


Quote:

>You may want to check the PayPal Terms of Use
>a little more closely, especially section IV, part 4 ...

PayPal does have a Seller's Protection Policy which protects Verified Premier
Accounts and Verified Business Accounts against certain chargebacks provided a
few simple rules are followed:

http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/protections-outside

One of the requirements is that the item be shipped to the buyer's confirmed
address....usually (but not always) found on the PayPal payment notification.
They caution that if the buyer has not provided PayPal with a confirmed address
then the seller should request it from the buyer prior to shipping.

++++++++++
Phil DeMayo
When Bidding Online
Always Sit On Your Helmet

 
 
 

BILLPOINT BITES THE BIG ONE...

Post by dendu » Wed, 23 May 2001 20:22:25


Quote:
> Any comments?????????

Let me be brief, paypal sucks.
dendude
 
 
 

BILLPOINT BITES THE BIG ONE...

Post by Rick Savo » Wed, 23 May 2001 23:20:37


The difference between BillPoint and PayPal is that BillPoint will
issue an electronic transfer to pull the funds out of your bank account,
while PayPal will never take funds out of your bank account.


Quote:


> > Attention BILLPOINT sellers:
> > The address BILLPOINT provides you is NOT NECESSARILY the billing
> > address of the buyer's credit card. I just had an $1100 chargeback
> > from 5 MONTHS ago, because the coin was not sent to the billing
> > address. NO investigation or help from BILLPOINT. I have closed my
> > account, and will not re-join until they verify the billing address of
> > cards submitted, PROVIDE them, and guarantee NO chargebacks (AS PAYPAL
> > DOES)... Any comments?????????

> You may want to check the PayPal Terms of Use
> a little more closely, especially section IV, part 4 ...

> # Credit Card Transactions: The Buyer Protection Policy does
> # not obviate any other consumer rights Users may have,
> # including chargeback rights that may be granted by a User's
> # credit card issuer.  PayPal is the merchant of record with
> # respect to all credit card transactions through the PayPal
> # service to purchase goods or service. As such, we afford
> # customers the rights and privileges expected of a credit
> # card transaction. You acknowledge that PayPal does not
> # control the outcome of any chargeback decision initiated
> # through a customer's credit card issuing bank.

> FWIW, the ratio of "PAYPAL SUCKS, I'M GONNA USE BILLPOINT"
> to "BILLPOINT SUCKS, I'M GONNA USE PAYPAL" declarations
> seems to be about 5:1 on the various user bulletin boards ...

> --

> P. O. Box 32541                 website:  http://www.kenbarr.com
> San Jose, CA 95152          (souvenir cards, MPC, Hickey Bros tokens)
> 408-272-3247                  Next show:  Memphis IPMS 6/15 - 6/17

 
 
 

BILLPOINT BITES THE BIG ONE...

Post by Peter T. Davi » Wed, 23 May 2001 23:46:00


Quote:
"Rick Savoy" wrote...
> The difference between BillPoint and PayPal is that BillPoint will
> issue an electronic transfer to pull the funds out of your bank account,
> while PayPal will never take funds out of your bank account.

Where did you get that bad bit of info?  Not only does PayPal take funds
from bank accounts when it suspects fraud, it freezes whole accounts.

see:
http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2001/02/23/pay_pal/

I almost got screwed over for $700+ on a PayPal deal.  I was lucky though,
the person I was dealing with was honest and helpful, and we got the problem
fixed.
Peter

 
 
 

BILLPOINT BITES THE BIG ONE...

Post by The Avocado Aveng » Thu, 24 May 2001 08:29:19



Quote:
>"Rick Savoy" wrote...
>> The difference between BillPoint and PayPal is that BillPoint will
>> issue an electronic transfer to pull the funds out of your bank account,
>> while PayPal will never take funds out of your bank account.
>Where did you get that bad bit of info?  Not only does PayPal take funds
>from bank accounts when it suspects fraud, it freezes whole accounts.

  PayPal does seem to have problems with taking money from bank accounts,
and regularly froze up on me after my first few uses.  But like Peter
said, one of its features is to take money from bank accounts.

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