Transylvanian Uniface Talers? Anyone Familiar with These?

Transylvanian Uniface Talers? Anyone Familiar with These?

Post by Nick Knigh » Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:01:24





Quote:
>I've not seen Transylvanian history discussed on rcc before, but perhaps
>it has. If you find anything of note, let me know.

A post from you (Ian):

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=G1pyb.15507%24Ew7.131510485%40news-...

One from me with a link to Transylvanian History:

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=3fca251d%241%24avpx%24mr2ice%40news...

And the direct link is:

http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/section/Transylv_History.asp

Nick

 
 
 

Transylvanian Uniface Talers? Anyone Familiar with These?

Post by Ian » Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:37:19


Quote:



>>I've not seen Transylvanian history discussed on rcc before, but perhaps
>>it has. If you find anything of note, let me know.

> A post from you (Ian):

> http://www.google.com/groups?selm=G1pyb.15507%24Ew7.131510485%40news-...

> One from me with a link to Transylvanian History:

> http://www.google.com/groups?selm=3fca251d%241%24avpx%24mr2ice%40news...

> And the direct link is:

> http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/section/Transylv_History.asp

> Nick

I had forgotten all about that Nick. Thanx for the memory refresh!  :-)

Ian

 
 
 

Transylvanian Uniface Talers? Anyone Familiar with These?

Post by Nick Knigh » Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:36:11




Quote:
>It's a tad on the expensive side for me too but there aren't all that  many
>of these pieces kicking about and if you will go after the scarce  or the
>esoteric....that's the price you have to pay :-). I'm wearing the  T-shirt
>on that score! It is an interesting piece but at the price I  personally
>would prefer to obtain one with the bust of Bathori on it and  with the
>accoustic guitarist fingers on the reverse ;-)

Pulling this one out of the mothballs.

I don't know how many people are into old talers/crowns here, but I want to
ask something of those with an opinion ...

How do you feel about coins that have been previously mounted?  And we can
subclass these into loop mountings (rim attachments) and holes ... open
holes and plugged holes.

I ask because I did latch onto this piece.  Only to realize that it's been
holed and plugged (well, the dealer pointed it out, in a sense).  Mind you,
it's hard to tell, but it has been.  Since the design on this coin is
rather, well, scant ... small and centered in a large coin with plenty of
flat edge, it doesn't really detract even when you see it.  Which you can't,
very well.

I played with the notion of sending it back, but I believe I've decided to
keep it.  And I'm not sure why.  I still like it?

First, I'll say that I did not look at this thing too seriously when I first
saw it (summer ANA).  I figured I was going to pass, simply on price.  But I
know what was on the flip ... I copied it down for my own notes.  When I
received the coin via mail, there was a penciled-on notation about the plug,
and upon inspection, sure enough, there it was.  This note wasn't there at
the ANA.

Now, I've purchased plenty of nice Talers with "mounts removed", and even a
couple that seemed to be more than just "the edge" mounts.  Thinking about
it, some of these purchases still went into the 200 range.   I dunno, I
guess I'll be happy and see what happens if/when I ever decide to dispose of
it.  Maybe.

Oh.  I didn't have to ask for a discount ... one was offered up front.  But
no discussion of the apparently new-found flaw was made at that time.  He
left me to read about it once I received it.  I suppose he was honest
enough, leaving it on the flip so I couldn't possibly miss it.

I'll ponder it until tomorrow, then finalize a decision.

Nick

 
 
 

Transylvanian Uniface Talers? Anyone Familiar with These?

Post by Ian » Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:59:11


Quote:



>>It's a tad on the expensive side for me too but there aren't all that  many
>>of these pieces kicking about and if you will go after the scarce  or the
>>esoteric....that's the price you have to pay :-). I'm wearing the  T-shirt
>>on that score! It is an interesting piece but at the price I  personally
>>would prefer to obtain one with the bust of Bathori on it and  with the
>>accoustic guitarist fingers on the reverse ;-)

> Pulling this one out of the mothballs.

> I don't know how many people are into old talers/crowns here, but I want to
> ask something of those with an opinion ...

> How do you feel about coins that have been previously mounted?  And we can
> subclass these into loop mountings (rim attachments) and holes ... open
> holes and plugged holes.

> I ask because I did latch onto this piece.  Only to realize that it's been
> holed and plugged (well, the dealer pointed it out, in a sense).  Mind you,
> it's hard to tell, but it has been.  Since the design on this coin is
> rather, well, scant ... small and centered in a large coin with plenty of
> flat edge, it doesn't really detract even when you see it.  Which you can't,
> very well.

> I played with the notion of sending it back, but I believe I've decided to
> keep it.  And I'm not sure why.  I still like it?

> First, I'll say that I did not look at this thing too seriously when I first
> saw it (summer ANA).  I figured I was going to pass, simply on price.  But I
> know what was on the flip ... I copied it down for my own notes.  When I
> received the coin via mail, there was a penciled-on notation about the plug,
> and upon inspection, sure enough, there it was.  This note wasn't there at
> the ANA.

> Now, I've purchased plenty of nice Talers with "mounts removed", and even a
> couple that seemed to be more than just "the edge" mounts.  Thinking about
> it, some of these purchases still went into the 200 range.   I dunno, I
> guess I'll be happy and see what happens if/when I ever decide to dispose of
> it.  Maybe.

> Oh.  I didn't have to ask for a discount ... one was offered up front.  But
> no discussion of the apparently new-found flaw was made at that time.  He
> left me to read about it once I received it.  I suppose he was honest
> enough, leaving it on the flip so I couldn't possibly miss it.

> I'll ponder it until tomorrow, then finalize a decision.

> Nick

It depends on how you collect (and what). Some coins are so rare that
your chances of finding an example without some form of defect (be it ex
jewellery mount / brooched/ part of a box thaler/ holed).

However, if i had bought a coin and its bona fides had turned out to be
other than expected (ie it turned out to be plugged and no mention of
same had been made previously) I would send it back. If you are
collecting only undamaged examples, that one just wouldn't fit the bill.

Again a damaged coin really wallops the effective value and selling
price, even with rare coins. if you paid a fair price for a problem free
coin and got a damaged one (no matter how expertly plugged) then ot has
been misrepresented (even with the later added inscription to the label).

If the price was right for a `damaged' coin....well, can you live with
it? if not....don't muck about. Get it back quick!

BTW what coin are you are talking about? The uniface Transylvanian piece?

Ian

 
 
 

Transylvanian Uniface Talers? Anyone Familiar with These?

Post by Nick Knigh » Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:19:08




Quote:
>BTW what coin are you are talking about? The uniface Transylvanian piece?

Yes, that's the one.

Nick

 
 
 

Transylvanian Uniface Talers? Anyone Familiar with These?

Post by Nick Knigh » Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:28:15




Quote:
>>BTW what coin are you are talking about? The uniface Transylvanian piece?
>Yes, that's the one.

    http://www.FoundCollection.com/

Wild.  While the coin doesn't appear to have the level of discoloration the
scan shows, it sure picked up on the area in question!  Interesting how the
scanning showed a defect better than the *** eye.

I think I'll make a quick phone call ... :)

Nick

 
 
 

Transylvanian Uniface Talers? Anyone Familiar with These?

Post by Ian » Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:31:38


Quote:



>>BTW what coin are you are talking about? The uniface Transylvanian piece?

> Yes, that's the one.

> Nick

If i'd bought it as a damaged coin (and I would if the price was right)
I would certainly keep it. (I'm already damned for having such
`abominations' as  engraved coins, love tokens, enamelled coins,
de-mounted coins, holed coins, coins that have been whacked with
counterstamps, chop marks and worse.....)  However, if i'd paid for it
as an undamaged coin, back it would go. It's scarce, but not that scarce.

Ian