A new Site to Report Bad Traders and Bad Auction Users

A new Site to Report Bad Traders and Bad Auction Users

Post by Raeky Wo » Wed, 19 May 1999 04:00:00



FYI most if not all auction sites have feedback options. Try reading the
help at the site.

-Kass

Quote:

>I have created a new site for people who are tired of not having a place to
>express their irritation with a fellow user who they had a transaction with
>and got messed around. On an auction site or in the newsgroups, we can
help.
>I have designed this site to compile a list of bad users that we can
>hopefully all add to and make a place for us to check before making on-line
>tranactions.
>At my site you can instantly add a user who you have had problems with to
>the list.
>This is the first time I have advertised this site, in fact I just put it
up
>today, so you will notice there is not alot of post there yet. Please do
>your part to keep others as well as yourself safe from on-line loosers!
>This is a free site and you have to do nothing but participate!

>http://ww2.netnitco.net/users/twin11

>Thanks,
>A fellow FED UP user

 
 
 

A new Site to Report Bad Traders and Bad Auction Users

Post by PFDJ » Wed, 19 May 1999 04:00:00


You are setting yourself up for a libel suit. You will be responsible....this
has already been proven by a successful lawsuit.
***************************
Phil DeMayo
Coinmasters 1188
ANA R-182606

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A new Site to Report Bad Traders and Bad Auction Users

Post by atd199 » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00




Quote:
> You are setting yourself up for a libel suit. You will be
responsible....this
> has already been proven by a successful lawsuit.
> ***************************
> Phil DeMayo
> Coinmasters 1188
> ANA R-182606

> ***************************

   So no one has the ability to tell others that someone else is a rip
off? And how likely is one to start a libel suit over the basis of a
bad name in trading cards?

   I have never seen a bunch of whiners like this thread has shown.
Here's someone who is setting up a Web site as a central point to warn
others of potentially bad traders and all the replies are a bunch of
people whining. You have questions or concerns? Then don't use it!

Geez Louise.

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A new Site to Report Bad Traders and Bad Auction Users

Post by PFDJ » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

>>> So no one has the ability to tell others that someone else is a rip off?

And how likely is one to start a libel suit over the basis of a
bad name in trading cards?<<<

I was simply pointing out that the owner of such a site could be held legally
responsible for libelous statements made by others and posted on the site.

Here in Connecticut a website owner was successfully sued over this very
issue.....and will pay dearly.

Quote:
>>>I have never seen a bunch of whiners like this thread has shown. Here's

someone who is setting up a Web site as a central point to warn others of
potentially bad traders and all the replies are a bunch of people whining. You
have questions or concerns? Then don't use it<<<

You quoted my response yet it was not "whining"......just a word of caution.

There was such a site concerning coin dealers.....don't know if it still
exists. It was authored by a fellow named Nicholas and had lists for good
dealers, bad dealers and dealers that had been given the "numismatic death
penalty" because of the number of complaints.

***************************
Phil DeMayo
Coinmasters 1188
ANA R-182606

***************************

 
 
 

A new Site to Report Bad Traders and Bad Auction Users

Post by Bob Johns » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
>I was simply pointing out that the owner of such a site could be held legally
>responsible for libelous statements made by others and posted on the site.

If you recall, I once started a rating site and quickly had second
thoughts due to legal issues

Quote:
>There was such a site concerning coin dealers.....don't know if it still
>exists. It was authored by a fellow named Nicholas

http://members.tripod.com/~nickelman/

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A new Site to Report Bad Traders and Bad Auction Users

Post by Ric Burne » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

> >There was such a site concerning coin dealers.....don't know if it still
> >exists. It was authored by a fellow named Nicholas

> http://members.tripod.com/~nickelman/

It still exists, but the 'Bad traders' and 'Bad dealers' pages are no
longer working according to the tripod site.  All others appear to be
up.
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A new Site to Report Bad Traders and Bad Auction Users

Post by BandPRe » Fri, 21 May 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
>At my site you can instantly add a user who you have had problems with to
>the list.

Rather than mixing yourself up with other users opinions about a dealer, why
don't you put up a page that explains the nature of the problems YOU have had
with each dealer.  I would have no fear of libel suits if I were giving my
opinions and relating facts as I knew them to be.  You could, of course, link
your page to similar pages by other collectors who are willing to take
responsibility for what they say.

As an aside, I will pledge that any dealer who files a libel suit against a
reputable dealer rating site will NEVER get any business from me.  Furthermore,
there should be a page posted to the effect that the dealer has sued to keep
disatisfied customers quiet.

BLReed

 
 
 

A new Site to Report Bad Traders and Bad Auction Users

Post by J Engelke » Fri, 21 May 1999 04:00:00


BandPReed posted:

Quote:
>At my site you can instantly add a user who you have had problems with to
>the list.

Rather than mixing yourself up with other users opinions about a dealer, why
don't you put up a page that explains the nature of the problems YOU have
had
with each dealer.  I would have no fear of libel suits if I were giving my
opinions and relating facts as I knew them to be.  You could, of course,
link
your page to similar pages by other collectors who are willing to take
responsibility for what they say.

As an aside, I will pledge that any dealer who files a libel suit against a
reputable dealer rating site will NEVER get any business from me.
Furthermore,
there should be a page posted to the effect that the dealer has sued to keep
disatisfied customers quiet.

BLReed

     That's an excellent suggestion.  That's part of free speech.  No one
could bring suit on an opinion given by a single person if just the facts
are given in a non-accusing manner.  Just the facts..."I sent dealer "A" "X"
amount of money for "Y" coin in MS-60 grade.  I got what I consider an
EF-45, dipped.  When I tried to rectify the situation, dealer "A" said
grading is subjective and offered no exchange or refund."  That's just an
example of the facts.  It's non-accusatory, but simply states the situation.
Let the reader make up their own mind concerning its merit as a warning.
This is simply my humble opinion.

Jeff

 
 
 

A new Site to Report Bad Traders and Bad Auction Users

Post by numismatic.. » Sat, 22 May 1999 04:00:00


I think it is a great idea and we should give the guy or girl somecreit
and maybe a thankyou for taking the time out to sit down and build a
website with a free service to make your complaints this is for everyone
to se and I think that those who oppose probably are scared that they
cold get a bad posting but this is just my personal opinion

no spam and no hate mail i won't dignify it with a responce. but i will
report it.

 
 
 

A new Site to Report Bad Traders and Bad Auction Users

Post by numismatic.. » Sat, 22 May 1999 04:00:00


i was just wondering the same thing myself can you be sued for your
opinion?
 
 
 

A new Site to Report Bad Traders and Bad Auction Users

Post by AnswerMa » Sat, 22 May 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
>can you be sued for youropinion?<<<<

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Short answer, "Yes. you can." The thing that most people forget is that making
a negative statement on the Internet leaves you liable in all 50 states, each
of which has different libel laws, plus the federal laws, plus the unknowns of
other countries
The truth is a legal defense, but it won't necessarily stop someone with deep
pockets from suing you. There have been numerous attempts in the past several
years to establish a reporting point, but all of them - to the best of my
knowledge - have fallen by the wayside when reality sets in. There was a
publisher a couple of years back who was printing a list (on paper), but
stopped publication after he was threatened with lawsuits. Libel laws are very
complicated, so I would urge anyone thinking about publishing negative
information on the Internet to consult a lawyer first.
Alan Herbert