Cooper's kit---need opinion

Cooper's kit---need opinion

Post by Laurelle and Java » Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:51:21



Because I'm still confused on what's an easy beginner recipe, I'm thinking
of trying a Cooper's kit.  All the recipes I find suggest using 6 lbs of
extract, but the local homebrew guy says all I need is 3 lbs of extract and
3 lbs of sugar.  Could anyone provide any feedback on the Cooper's Kits?
Thanks.

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Cooper's kit---need opinion

Post by Ricky Nickolso » Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:12:28


my first one was a Listerman pilsner kit that i inadvertantly brewed at ale
temps...turned out great and it got me hooked!

Ricky



Quote:
> Because I'm still confused on what's an easy beginner recipe, I'm thinking
> of trying a Cooper's kit.  All the recipes I find suggest using 6 lbs of
> extract, but the local homebrew guy says all I need is 3 lbs of extract
and
> 3 lbs of sugar.  Could anyone provide any feedback on the Cooper's Kits?
> Thanks.

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Cooper's kit---need opinion

Post by EvilTwi » Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:29:39




Quote:
> Because I'm still confused on what's an easy beginner recipe, I'm
> thinking of trying a Cooper's kit.  All the recipes I find suggest
> using 6 lbs of extract, but the local homebrew guy says all I need is
> 3 lbs of extract and 3 lbs of sugar.  Could anyone provide any
> feedback on the Cooper's Kits? Thanks.

UG... get a different homebrew shop guy...

You can make beer with sugar .. but   why??? I've never tried it, but I
assume it'll have about half the malt flavor.

I dunno about Coopers kits, never tried them, but really go to a different
shop if you have the choice.  I assume the coopers kit will also make good
beer, as long as you dont have to blow dust off the top of the can.

Makes me wonder about the guy.  He actually makes out much better to sell
you the full six of extract, hrm.

EvilTwig >:)

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completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

 
 
 

Cooper's kit---need opinion

Post by Mark Garwatosk » Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:51:48


Step 1) Get a new Homebrew store, the guy that runs yours is an idiot.

Step 2) Get any beginner kit from various websites- Listermann's is a good
choice since he posts here often and will probably end up answering a lot of
your newbie questions. If you live in "the right part" of the country you
can order two kits and get free shipping. Coopers kits are fine I guess but
be sure to get some good yeast and use two cans. I don't know if they still
put the yeast under the cap but if they do I wouldn't use that. If you have
a style in mind post it here and someone will give you am extract recipe
that will be easy enough for your first time.

Mark



Quote:
> Because I'm still confused on what's an easy beginner recipe, I'm thinking
> of trying a Cooper's kit.  All the recipes I find suggest using 6 lbs of
> extract, but the local homebrew guy says all I need is 3 lbs of extract
and
> 3 lbs of sugar.  Could anyone provide any feedback on the Cooper's Kits?
> Thanks.

> --

 
 
 

Cooper's kit---need opinion

Post by JaySe » Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:54:17




Quote:
> Because I'm still confused on what's an easy beginner recipe, I'm thinking
> of trying a Cooper's kit.  All the recipes I find suggest using 6 lbs of
> extract, but the local homebrew guy says all I need is 3 lbs of extract
and
> 3 lbs of sugar.  Could anyone provide any feedback on the Cooper's Kits?
> Thanks.

Coopers kits are great. I always use them. They are the biggest selling kits
in the world. I always add about 1kg of malt extract, and I use yeast
cultured from a coopers bottle. I guess that's easier to do here in
Australia than in the Canada. If you are using just malt and the yeast
supplied with the kit, I would suggest, as does coopers, that you add about
200 grams of sugar. just using sugar as , you said would provide a very nice
tasting beer with a high *** content, but with very little body, and
thus head.

Just my two cents worth.

Jeff

 
 
 

Cooper's kit---need opinion

Post by Ed Edelenbo » Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:07:21


Apparently (from stuff I've read) using lots of sugar was pretty common
several years ago.  Several kit makers still use healthy doses of sugar
in their kits (also from what I read, and one kit maker familiar to this
newsgroup.)  It makes beer... and good beer in many cases.  Sticking
with all malt extract (assuming it is fresh) will make better beer
(imo).  Does the kit involve boiling hops or is it pre-hopped?  If it is
pre-hopped (with no or minimal boil), that might be a reason the shop
guy is suggesting sugar...  the sugar ferments out more and adds less
(or no) flavor.  If you add unhopped malt extract, you'll (most likely)
need some hop additions and a (longer) boil to balance out the added
malt flavor.

Ed

Quote:

> Because I'm still confused on what's an easy beginner recipe, I'm thinking
> of trying a Cooper's kit.  All the recipes I find suggest using 6 lbs of
> extract, but the local homebrew guy says all I need is 3 lbs of extract and
> 3 lbs of sugar.  Could anyone provide any feedback on the Cooper's Kits?
> Thanks.

> --

 
 
 

Cooper's kit---need opinion

Post by Dan Listerman » Fri, 15 Aug 2003 22:14:22



Quote:
> You can make beer with sugar .. but   why??? I've never tried it, but I
> assume it'll have about half the malt flavor.

Sugar can be used to make a beer dryer.  All extract beers can be very
sweet.  If this is to style, that is fine, but if a dryer flavor is desired,
sugar can be the only way to get there.
--
Dan Listermann

Check out our E-tail site at www.listermann.com

Free shipping for orders greater than $35
and East of the Mighty Miss.


Quote:

> > Because I'm still confused on what's an easy beginner recipe, I'm
> > thinking of trying a Cooper's kit.  All the recipes I find suggest
> > using 6 lbs of extract, but the local homebrew guy says all I need is
> > 3 lbs of extract and 3 lbs of sugar.  Could anyone provide any
> > feedback on the Cooper's Kits? Thanks.

> UG... get a different homebrew shop guy...

> I dunno about Coopers kits, never tried them, but really go to a different
> shop if you have the choice.  I assume the coopers kit will also make good
> beer, as long as you dont have to blow dust off the top of the can.

> Makes me wonder about the guy.  He actually makes out much better to sell
> you the full six of extract, hrm.

> EvilTwig >:)

> --
> "A common mistake people make when trying to design something
> completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
> fools."---- Douglas Adams

 
 
 

Cooper's kit---need opinion

Post by Jerry Zeidle » Fri, 15 Aug 2003 22:18:49


Before I made the switch to all grain, I brewed quite a few batches of
Cooper's Draught, and found it quite tasty.  However, I would never
recommend making a full batch from any brand malt extract by adding sugar.
The taste difference is immense.

It's hard to believe that a brewshop proprietor would try to convince you to
use sugar. First, you'll brew a second-class batch of beer and be less
likely to return to buy more kits. Secondly, he stands to make a bit more
profit by selling you a second can of malt extract.

I definitely endorse Cooper's extract kits for the beginning brewer, but
highly recommend avoiding the use of sugar. I also suggest looking elsewhere
for brewing advise. Your current shopkeeper isn't acting rationally.

Jerry Zeidler
Williamsport, PA



Quote:
> Because I'm still confused on what's an easy beginner recipe, I'm thinking
> of trying a Cooper's kit.  All the recipes I find suggest using 6 lbs of
> extract, but the local homebrew guy says all I need is 3 lbs of extract
and
> 3 lbs of sugar.  Could anyone provide any feedback on the Cooper's Kits?
> Thanks.

 
 
 

Cooper's kit---need opinion

Post by Droo » Fri, 15 Aug 2003 22:22:14



Quote:
> Because I'm still confused on what's an easy beginner recipe, I'm thinking
> of trying a Cooper's kit.  All the recipes I find suggest using 6 lbs of
> extract, but the local homebrew guy says all I need is 3 lbs of extract and
> 3 lbs of sugar.  Could anyone provide any feedback on the Cooper's Kits?
> Thanks.

> -

You don't want to use sugar.  Use 6 lbs of extract.  Otherwise you
will end up with what John Palmer called "sparkling pond water".
 
 
 

Cooper's kit---need opinion

Post by Dan Listerman » Fri, 15 Aug 2003 22:48:25



Quote:

> I definitely endorse Cooper's extract kits for the beginning brewer, but
> highly recommend avoiding the use of sugar. I also suggest looking
elsewhere
> for brewing advise. Your current shopkeeper isn't acting rationally.

I hate to say this, but, at least in the States, Cooper's tends to produce
cidery beer.  I think the long transport is the cause of the staling.  Sugar
will not cover this flavor.  DME does a better job.  Frankly though, I would
avoid Cooper's here in the US.  We won't sell it in our store.  I am sure it
is a fine extract in OZ.

Again, I feel bad about talking about any extract that way, but that has
been my strong experience.

--
Dan Listermann

Check out our E-tail site at www.listermann.com

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Cooper's kit---need opinion

Post by Laurelle and Java » Sat, 16 Aug 2003 02:48:01


If I substitute DME for sugar with the Cooper Kit, is it an equal
substitution?  In other words, can the same amount of DME be used for sugar?
And on more....the sugar, is it dextrose or sucrose?  Thanks

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Quote:
> Because I'm still confused on what's an easy beginner recipe, I'm thinking
> of trying a Cooper's kit.  All the recipes I find suggest using 6 lbs of
> extract, but the local homebrew guy says all I need is 3 lbs of extract
and
> 3 lbs of sugar.  Could anyone provide any feedback on the Cooper's Kits?
> Thanks.

> --

 
 
 

Cooper's kit---need opinion

Post by Kelvin Kunder » Sat, 16 Aug 2003 04:35:17



Quote:
>Because I'm still confused on what's an easy beginner recipe, I'm thinking
>of trying a Cooper's kit.  All the recipes I find suggest using 6 lbs of
>extract, but the local homebrew guy says all I need is 3 lbs of extract and
>3 lbs of sugar.  Could anyone provide any feedback on the Cooper's Kits?
>Thanks.

Canned beer kits will definitely make beer.   Make sure that you buy
from a homebrew supply shop that turns over their stock fairly well,
otherwise you may be disappointed with your purchase.  Liquid extract
in cans can be several years old by the time an unsuspecting brewer
picks it up off the shelf.  The stuff goes stale easily and you could
end up with a cidery, unpleasant brew.

Looking at the message headers, it appears that we have yet another
Calgary homebrewer joining the ranks.  Here's where I buy my supplies:
http://members.shaw.ca/thevineyard/
(NAYY)

There is also a local homebrew club with plenty of experienced
homebrewers, in case you're interested in that.

Kelvin

 
 
 

Cooper's kit---need opinion

Post by Laurelle and Java » Sat, 16 Aug 2003 07:46:00


 Ok...bought the Cooper kit, but it says to add 1 kg of sugar (8
cups)...sounds like alot.  The batch will make about 5 gallons but I'm
reluctant to add that much sugar....any thoughts?

 
 
 

Cooper's kit---need opinion

Post by JaySe » Sat, 16 Aug 2003 07:59:21




Quote:

>  Ok...bought the Cooper kit, but it says to add 1 kg of sugar (8
> cups)...sounds like alot.  The batch will make about 5 gallons but I'm
> reluctant to add that much sugar....any thoughts?

That's the right amount. It should produce a beer with an *** percentage
in the high 4's low 5's.
 
 
 

Cooper's kit---need opinion

Post by JaySe » Sat, 16 Aug 2003 08:06:10



Quote:



> >  Ok...bought the Cooper kit, but it says to add 1 kg of sugar (8
> > cups)...sounds like alot.  The batch will make about 5 gallons but I'm
> > reluctant to add that much sugar....any thoughts?
> That's the right amount. It should produce a beer with an ***
percentage
> in the high 4's low 5's.

I should also add, the addition of no sugar (not recommended. Coopers
recommend adding at least 200 grams of sugar, otherwise the yeast that is
supplied with the kit will have problems converting the kit to ***. I
always us a yeast cultured from one of coopers bottled beers) will give an
*** percentage in the mid 2's. If the percentage of *** is too high
for you with 1kg of sugar, add a lesser amount.