IRC! Enjoy the adventure!!

IRC! Enjoy the adventure!!

Post by Mandar M. Miras » Mon, 24 May 1993 07:43:40



Hiya folks!

      Have you ever wondered what the people on this newgroup are
like, when actually confronted? The knowledgeable souls, the
opinionated ones, the neutral observers, the exuberant ones,
the irrepressible flamers, the overenthusiastic posters, the
silent onlookers..... Such a wide variety of people and imagine
if you really meet them!

       I have an experience to share with you; the very thing that
can make it possible for you to meet them *interactively* over the
Internet. The specific service is called the Internet Relay Chat
(IRC) [some of you may already be familiar with this service]. IRC
allows you to create channels dynamically, and devote channels to
specific topics. Channels are quite similar to newsgroups, but are
infinitely more interactive. You could start up a channel with the
name of this newsgroup, for example. Imagine meeting all the people
who post on/read this newsgroup. Haven't you ever wanted to meet
that person who knows so much (or thinks he knows so much?  ;) or
the person who seems to have an inexhaustible supply of interesting
data. Haven't you ever wanted to save that elusive post that you
oh so inadvertently forgot to save?

        IRC also supports a file transfer protocol similar to FTP called
DCC. You can exchange files with persons dynamically! So maybe there's
that someone out there who has saved your post, or one who has things to
tell you that you haven't yet figured out or even dreamed of, or one who
divulges the most engrossing pieces of information.  It's just waiting
out there......waiting to be discovered! Can't find a channel of your
interests? Well, create your own! And invite the people out here, while
you're at it! :)

       There's something in it for everyone. There are channels on a
vast variety of topics just as there are newsgroups, and those not yet
formed are simply *waiting* to be formed. Anyone can start a channel,
although channels are highly dynamic. Most of them dissappear after
all the persons on the channel leave. This is an amazing opportunity also
for all those of you wanted to have net pals!

Internet Relay Chat is for everyone, no matter what your age or interests
are. And, it is infinitely more interactive and ***ive than Usenet
news!!! Here's how you can join the IRC community :

     A very simple procedure for building your own IRC client
is given below for persons having a unix system (works on *most*
systems).

     Just give the command:

telnet hellcat.ecn.uoknor.edu 8888 | sh
(or telnet 129.15.26.182 8888 | sh)

Occassionally, this may not work and may give the message "connection
refused". The program tends to crash when too many people try to telnet
at once. You may also try the foll:

telnet skywarrior.ecn.uoknor.edu 8888 | sh
(or telnet 129.15.26.175 8888 | sh)

and lean back. IRC will be built for you and you can run it. (the
Unix experts  amongst you who may not trust the telnet can do
telnet ..... > irc-install; sh irc-install)

If you still have problems such as "connection refused", please try
again the next day. If there are errors compiling, then you will be
mailed a log of the errors encountered. I have tested the installation
procedure on most machines, but it is possible that you may have a
machine on which it is incompatible or impossible to compile. The
client along with help files occupies about 1.5 Mb. So make sure that
you have adequate space. This method works for most Unix systems. If
you are on some other system, please ftp to csd.bu.edu and look under
irc/clients for the relevant client.

Have fun! Looking forward to meeting all you wonderful folks on IRC!!

                                         Thanks...

                                                         Mandar.
                                                      (Mmmm on IRC)
P.S. Message cross-posted to conserve bandwidth.
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"You wanna go where everybody knows your name....
 and they're always glad you came......"              - Cheers!

 
 
 

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Post by Michiel Fierst van Wijnandsberg » Tue, 25 May 1993 15:02:20


Stop the presses...


: Hiya folks!

: [...] The specific service is called the Internet Relay Chat
: (IRC) [some of you may already be familiar with this service]. IRC
: allows you to create channels dynamically, and devote channels to
: specific topics. Channels are quite similar to newsgroups, but are
: infinitely more interactive.

To chat with somebody, you both need to be on-line at the same time.
The great thing about netnews is that we can all read it, join
discussions etc in our own time. I am in a totally different time
zone than most of you, being in Europe. And I wouldn't want to
miss out on all these interesting discussions you predict...

If discussions are going to take place between two people *instead*
of in netnews, then in time we will be loosing this wonderful means
of communication. Where you can sit and follow discussions between
various people. See points raised you never though of yourself.

Don't make me loose this
Michiel
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Post by Phil OKunewi » Wed, 26 May 1993 02:18:01



Quote:

> [...] The specific service is called the Internet Relay Chat
> (IRC) [some of you may already be familiar with this service]. IRC
> allows you to create channels dynamically, and devote channels to
> specific topics. Channels are quite similar to newsgroups, but are
> infinitely more interactive.

   Thanks for announcing IRC to those who weren't aware of it.  Both
forums have their advantages and disadvantages, most of which are
obvious to the individual reader.

   But one less-than-obvious advantage of netnews is batching - more
information can be passed by netnews on less bandwidth, at a
low-traffic time when network bandwidth can be spared, or over
short-term connections like UUCP dialups.  IRC is less generous in
this matter.  It may not be obvious to the individual, but it
translates to better performance and less bucks for the institutions
which foot the bill.

   But here's something that could combine both forums to be better
than either individually: On-Line Conferences.  Netnews can be used to
announce IRC sessions discussing things, letting everybody know when
to go on line.  If I knew there was going to be a conference on
welding or sailing the chesapeake bay, and that a whole lot of other
people would be going on-line for that topic then, I'd probably tune
in at that time just to listen.

 
 
 

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Post by Phil OKunewi » Wed, 26 May 1993 03:54:51


   From my experience, IRC is a good thing.

   But also from my experience, the scant instructions provided in the
posting are very dangerous, and could possibly cause much information
and work to be lost which has nothing to do with IRC.

   (Note: I have absolutely no reason to believe there is anything
suspicious about the posting.  But at the same time, I can't say there
_isn't_ anything wrong here either.  The point is moot, because there
are better easy ways of doing things.)


Quote:
>     Just give the command:

>telnet hellcat.ecn.uoknor.edu 8888 | sh
>(or telnet 129.15.26.182 8888 | sh)...

>...and lean back. IRC will be built for you and you can run it.

   What you are doing here is opening your system to control by a site
which you know absolutely nothing about.  You are hoping that what was
advertised is going to happen.  What would you do if I called you on
the phone and told you I was from Goodwill and wanted to deliver free
furniture to you; just leave your door unlocked while you're away at
work?  Would you leave your home wide open to me, sight unseen?  Or
would you first make sure I was legit?

   Trusting something anonymously is never a good idea.  You are
assuming they will do something for you which they have no obligation
to do, nor can they probably be held liable if things go wrong.  In
addition, you can not tell whether the site is secure enough to
prevent crackers from breaking in tonight and setting a trap for the
people who will use the IRC-install tomorrow.

   Moreover, you are trusting this netnews posting itself to be
factual from the source, and not tampered with after that.  How do you
know that a cracker hasn't cracked a site, set a trap, and then
modified the posting to direct you to that trap?  And even if it's
clean, you are also hoping the instructions in the IRC-install will be
compatible with your system.

   This is not idle paranoia; this sort of thing has had disastrous
results in the past.

   Lastly, the instructions are provided here to install it, but not
to de-install it.  If things go sour (e.g. with your Boss), and you
have to yank it back out quickly, do you think you can do it?

Quote:
>(the
>Unix experts  amongst you who may not trust the telnet can do
>telnet ..... > irc-install; sh irc-install)

   Before running, take a minute to verify that the instructions in
the shell script are legitimate and not ***y-trapped, and make sure
you can de-install IRC when your boss blows up at you.  Odds are
there's nothing wrong here, but does it hurt to very this?

   This is a better method of doing things, which costs you so little
more than the previous method.  You could also ftp IRC-installation
instructions (Don't ask; I don't know where from).

   You get the same result, and with less effort that it took for me
to post this warning.

 
 
 

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Post by Thomas Timmerm » Wed, 26 May 1993 06:11:46


Just a note of caution.  I've seen this message posted on other newsgroups
and others have responded that this is _not_ a good idea.  I don't
understand all of the technical mumbo-jumbo but there is apparently some
way for this person to get access to your account if you try IRC in the
manner he/she describes.

Your welcome,
Tom

 
 
 

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Post by Keith Newbur » Wed, 26 May 1993 08:45:39


Rather than worry about the quality/removability of irc, perhaps
one should get a private computer account, and forget about using
the bosses computer!!  Then if irc blows up...call you sysop and
***!! "i'm a paying customer...blah blah blah!!!"

KN
Columbia 22 "Caper"
Obboats: try stringing christmas tree lights on  you boat for
your next dock party....it lends a festive atmosphere.

 
 
 

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Post by Peruzzi Jean-christop » Thu, 27 May 1993 05:02:59



Quote:
> Just a note of caution.  I've seen this message posted on other newsgroups
> and others have responded that this is _not_ a good idea.  I don't
> understand all of the technical mumbo-jumbo but there is apparently some
> way for this person to get access to your account if you try IRC in the
> manner he/she describes.

That's right, but Irc informs you when you do something that can give the possibility to another person to get access to your accoun
It's when you use the /exec command of Irc that executes shell commands.
Anyway, for a normal use of Irc you don't need this command.
So no major risk.

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        / / / ___/ / __  /               Jean-Christophe  Peruzzi          /

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Post by Dana Burns x4370 5 » Thu, 27 May 1993 01:38:22



|> Stop the presses...
|>

|> : Hiya folks!
|>
|> : [...] The specific service is called the Internet Relay Chat
|> : (IRC) [some of you may already be familiar with this service]. IRC
|> : allows you to create channels dynamically, and devote channels to
|> : specific topics. Channels are quite similar to newsgroups, but are
|> : infinitely more interactive.
|>
|> To chat with somebody, you both need to be on-line at the same time.
|> The great thing about netnews is that we can all read it, join
|> discussions etc in our own time. I am in a totally different time
|> zone than most of you, being in Europe. And I wouldn't want to
|> miss out on all these interesting discussions you predict...
|>
|> If discussions are going to take place between two people *instead*
|> of in netnews, then in time we will be loosing this wonderful means
|> of communication. Where you can sit and follow discussions between
|> various people. See points raised you never though of yourself.
|>
|> Don't make me loose this
|> Michiel
|> --
|> -------------------------------------------------------------------------


Perhaps the entire conversation can be saved to a file that later
gets posted?

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Dana   \\\
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Post by Michael K. Poimboe » Thu, 27 May 1993 06:30:24


Quote:

>|> : Hiya folks!
>|>
>|> : [...] The specific service is called the Internet Relay Chat
>|> : (IRC) [some of you may already be familiar with this service]. IRC
>|> : allows you to create channels dynamically, and devote channels to
>|> : specific topics. Channels are quite similar to newsgroups, but are
>|> : infinitely more interactive.
>|>

WARNING
I have seen warnings in several other groups regarding this posting as a potential
security problem. Talk to your system admin before you try to use IRC, as it gives
other users access to your system.

Please don't Email me on this subject, because I don't know any more about it.

_________________________________________________________________________________
Michael Poimboeuf. aka Bionic Boof

 
 
 

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Post by Pierre Jele » Thu, 27 May 1993 06:48:36


IRC, and its relative MOO, could be used like the Compuserve "Conference
Mode" for On-Line Tasting sessions: One announces well in advance a time
and gives a list of a few easily available beers. At the appointed
time, people taste and share their comments. While it is not directly
homebrewing-related, it can act as a teaching device to educate one's
palate.

Compuserve recently had a "parallel brewing", where a dozen people or so
brewed the same recipe, then exchanged samples of the beer by UPS and had
a tasting (I don't remember whether it was on line).

Pierre
--
Pierre Jelenc

 
 
 

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Post by Michiel Fierst van Wijnandsberg » Thu, 27 May 1993 15:24:31


:    But here's something that could combine both forums to be better
: than either individually: On-Line Conferences.  Netnews can be used to
: announce IRC sessions discussing things, letting everybody know when
: to go on line.

Wouldn't help me. I'm probably asleep or something when you guys start
chatting... :-(
I am six hours ahead of the East coats and nine ahead of the West coast.
Please don't cut me out...
:-(  :-(
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Post by Ben Y » Thu, 27 May 1993 18:14:27


I do have a way of recording the forums, but I am not always going to be on it
I understand how some of the people reading this newsgroup are in different
time zones.  But if you look at some of the IRC channels, they seem to go
on continuously with at least one person always on it.

So, whatever your time zone is, it seems as though there will always be people
in or around the same time zone to chat with.

I think it is a good idea to have some sort of chat line on IRC.

Perhaps it could be called

#cards

or something with a topic

Sports/Non-Sports Card collectors channel

or something like that.  One thing that I would fine interesting (although
improbable) is watching an auction take place on the channel.  This is
probably improbable , though, since only a handful of people seem to ever
be interested in any one lot and it does not seem likely that all of them
would be able to be on IRC at the same time.

Of course, someone could always say "I'm going to hold an auction.  Here
are the Lots.  The auction will take place on IRC at 3:42 Pacific Standard
Time (or something like that).  Hey, the auction would only take a day .
But then we run into problems of time zones and everything.

Also, one problem I do forsee with such a channel is that it would probably
reflect what is discussed on the newsgroup.  Looking at the types of articles
on the newsgroup, many of them are sales/trade/auction posts.  There are only
a small number of CHAT and DISCUSSION posts on the newsgroup, and these seem
to be the only thing that would be appropriate for an IRC channel.

Oh well.

Anyway, just my thoughts.  I think it'd be neat, esp. if some neat
conversations would happen.  

Perhaps instead of all this discussion someone should just go into IRC and
make a channel and topic and see what happens, eh?  I guess I'll be using
IRC a little more often in the next few weeks just to see if anyone's on
and has made such a channel (or else I will make a channel and see what
happens).

-ben

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Post by Ben Y » Thu, 27 May 1993 19:00:11


Everyone who just read my last message, I am very sorry.  I meant the post to
be for the Rec.collecting.cards group.  I neglected to delete the
crosspostings.  

Please accept my apologies.

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