Pee Wee Heavy's Big Adventure

Pee Wee Heavy's Big Adventure

Post by Randal Chapm » Sun, 02 Mar 2003 02:35:41



"Just tell'em Sparge Marge sent ya"

Greetings. I have a couple of questions about the William's Brewing
Porter recipe kit instructions that seem to differ greatly from the
books I've read and what I've seen here. After reading his
instructions and watching the included painfully stilted video (this
guy has less range of emotion than a Pirates Of Penzance Disney
Animatronic during a brownout) I was left wondering.

The kit includes liquid extract and two bags of hops. The instructions
say that after boiling the extract with the hops you will have silty
trub on the bottom of the brewpot, and in just about every extract
recipe I have read they mention nothing about this and advocate
dumping the entire contents of the bewpot directly into the fermenter,
wherein William's says to dump in everything but the last inch or so.
Why would William's extract produce trub and not others? Also, even
though there are two additions of hop pellets he says nothing about
straining the wort into the fermenter.

All of this may be moot as I have already brewed it according to his
directions (something else he said was to leave the primary
fermentation on for 12 days which I have read before is also a no-no).
I wonder if I will end up with hop ***in the finished beer?

_Randal

 
 
 

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Post by John 'Shaggy' Kolesa » Sun, 02 Mar 2003 02:50:05



Quote:
> The kit includes liquid extract and two bags of hops. The instructions
> say that after boiling the extract with the hops you will have silty
> trub on the bottom of the brewpot, and in just about every extract
> recipe I have read they mention nothing about this and advocate
> dumping the entire contents of the bewpot directly into the fermenter,
> wherein William's says to dump in everything but the last inch or so.
> Why would William's extract produce trub and not others? Also, even
> though there are two additions of hop pellets he says nothing about
> straining the wort into the fermenter.

Whether your dump the trub into your fermenter or leave it behind in the
brew kettle somehow is pretty much optional.  It doesn't make a
difference either way.  There are some benefits to having at least a
small amount of trub in the primary, as it contains some nutrients that
yeast like.  However, you're probably not going to be successfull in
eliminating all of it anyway.

Quote:
> All of this may be moot as I have already brewed it according to his
> directions (something else he said was to leave the primary
> fermentation on for 12 days which I have read before is also a no-no).

I see no problems with leaving the beer in the primary for 2 weeks.

Quote:
> I wonder if I will end up with hop ***in the finished beer?

Nope, all of the trub should settle out during fermentation and be left
behind when you rack.  If the beer is still more cloudy than you would
like after the primary, transfer to a secondary fermenter for an
additional 1-2 weeks before you bottle.  The beer will continue to clear
in the secondary.

John.

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                           *** John P. Kolesar ***

                         *** Valley Mead Brewery ***
                           ***********************

 
 
 

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Post by EvilTwi » Sun, 02 Mar 2003 02:52:37




Quote:
> "Just tell'em Sparge Marge sent ya"

> Greetings. I have a couple of questions about the William's Brewing
> Porter recipe kit instructions that seem to differ greatly from the
> books I've read and what I've seen here. After reading his
> instructions and watching the included painfully stilted video (this
> guy has less range of emotion than a Pirates Of Penzance Disney
> Animatronic during a brownout) I was left wondering.

> The kit includes liquid extract and two bags of hops. The instructions
> say that after boiling the extract with the hops you will have silty
> trub on the bottom of the brewpot, and in just about every extract
> recipe I have read they mention nothing about this and advocate
> dumping the entire contents of the bewpot directly into the fermenter,
> wherein William's says to dump in everything but the last inch or so.
> Why would William's extract produce trub and not others? Also, even
> though there are two additions of hop pellets he says nothing about
> straining the wort into the fermenter.

> All of this may be moot as I have already brewed it according to his
> directions (something else he said was to leave the primary
> fermentation on for 12 days which I have read before is also a no-no).
> I wonder if I will end up with hop ***in the finished beer?

> _Randal

Dontworryaboutit.....

Yes you have hops, hot break material, and cold break material in the
bottom of the brewpot.  Most people have recomended to pour off the
finished wort in such a way that you leave as much of that behind as
possible.  You can strain the hops off, but that wont get the hot and
cold break, you can use a brewpot with a manifold and a valve (or just a
suction tube an inch or so above the bottom) or just siphon it off with
an autosiphon (AUTOSIPHON RULES!.. ah.. sorry) which has a spacer on the
bottom to help get it off the trub.  Most whirlpool the wort and let it
settle first for 10-15 min, this settles most of the undesirable
material in the middle of the kettle, so you can siphon from an edge.

Now with all that said, my first 2 batches were just thrown into the
fermenter hops and all(before I "knew better"), and were FAR from
ruined, in fact tasted just awsome, and cleared acceptably with time.  
Rembember, if it starts out in the bottom of the brewpot to begin with,
why would it not re-settle in the fermenter after *** fermentation
ceases?? (probably before)

I then started using a hop bag (alot of trouble but zero hops in the
fermenter) then to the whirlpool(well sometimes) then siphon technique.

Hope that helps....

(please note I am also somewhat of a newbie brewer with approx 3 months,
8 extract batchs and 4 all grain batches under my belt, please head any
advice with that in mind)

EvilTwig  >:)

Disclaimer:  No dictionaries or spell checkers were harmed (nor
consulted) durring the production of this message.

 
 
 

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Post by MDixo » Sun, 02 Mar 2003 04:34:55



Quote:
> "Just tell'em Sparge Marge sent ya"

> Greetings. I have a couple of questions about the William's Brewing
> Porter recipe kit instructions that seem to differ greatly from the
> books I've read and what I've seen here. After reading his
> instructions and watching the included painfully stilted video (this
> guy has less range of emotion than a Pirates Of Penzance Disney
> Animatronic during a brownout) I was left wondering.

> The kit includes liquid extract and two bags of hops. The instructions
> say that after boiling the extract with the hops you will have silty
> trub on the bottom of the brewpot, and in just about every extract
> recipe I have read they mention nothing about this and advocate
> dumping the entire contents of the bewpot directly into the fermenter,
> wherein William's says to dump in everything but the last inch or so.
> Why would William's extract produce trub and not others?

All produce trub, William's is correct, for a cleaner beer in the long run,
leave as much trub behind as possible, but remember to take as much wort to
the fermenter as possible as well.

Also, even

Quote:
> though there are two additions of hop pellets he says nothing about
> straining the wort into the fermenter.

They use pellet hops, straining would leave hardly anything behind. Pellets
are ground up pieces of hops compressed into pellets.  Once in water, they
would flow through most strainers...

Quote:

> All of this may be moot as I have already brewed it according to his
> directions (something else he said was to leave the primary
> fermentation on for 12 days which I have read before is also a no-no).

He is saying leave it in the primary fermenter, not using a secondary.  I
have to agree with him if you are bottling a beer, using a secondary is a
waste of energy.  The beer will ferment and clear fine in just a primary.

Quote:
> I wonder if I will end up with hop ***in the finished beer?

No, you won't.  I started with a William's kit, and aside from his
uncharismatic video, the kits are high quality, and procedures in the video
are sound...

Cheers,
Mike

 
 
 

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Post by Tom Davie » Sun, 02 Mar 2003 08:00:28


Quote:

> They use pellet hops, straining would leave hardly anything behind. Pellets
> are ground up pieces of hops compressed into pellets.  Once in water, they
> would flow through most strainers...

I find that a standard wire mesh kitchen strainer catches a lot of hop
pellet residue -- I need to empty the strainer several times in the
course of pouring the wort into the fermenter.

Should I bother doing this? Because I'm doing a concentrated boil (10
litres for a 23 litre batch I feel that I lose some fermentables with
the pellet remains. If I left them would they happily settle out with no
ill effects?

Tom

 
 
 

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Post by MDixo » Sun, 02 Mar 2003 08:02:36



Quote:

> > They use pellet hops, straining would leave hardly anything behind.
Pellets
> > are ground up pieces of hops compressed into pellets.  Once in water,
they
> > would flow through most strainers...

> I find that a standard wire mesh kitchen strainer catches a lot of hop
> pellet residue -- I need to empty the strainer several times in the
> course of pouring the wort into the fermenter.

> Should I bother doing this?

It will aerate the cooled wort a little which is a good thing prior to
pitching, but just let the trub settle and rack off the top of it, or do
like I used to, pour off the top of it...

Because I'm doing a concentrated boil (10

Quote:
> litres for a 23 litre batch I feel that I lose some fermentables with
> the pellet remains. If I left them would they happily settle out with no
> ill effects?

Sure...

I would still try to take as little to the fermenter as possible to make the
cleanest beer.  In reality, I think a short time on all the trub and breaks
might not hurt, but to be safe, I still suggest leaving the trub behind in
the pot...

Cheers,
Mike

 
 
 

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Post by ben » Sun, 02 Mar 2003 09:30:28


Quote:

> The kit includes liquid extract and two bags of hops. The instructions
> say that after boiling the extract with the hops you will have silty
> trub on the bottom of the brewpot, and in just about every extract
> recipe I have read they mention nothing about this and advocate
> dumping the entire contents of the bewpot directly into the fermenter,
> wherein William's says to dump in everything but the last inch or so.

I think it's better practice to get the cleanest wort you can into the
fermenter. I think it reduces possible off-flavors, improves clarity,
etc. However, if you're doing this without crash-chilling your wort to
produce some good cold break, you're straining at a gnat. Chilling
with a wort chiller and then stirring the wort vigorously to
"whirlpool" it will make all the hop ***and cold break sludge form a
cone in the middle of the kettle; you can then siphon (AUTOSIPHON)
from the side and leave all the gunge behind in the kettle.

I find this process works better if there are at least *some* hop
leaves in the mix, they help trap all the gunge and hold it together,
but it'll work fine just with pellets if that's what you have.

ben

 
 
 

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Post by MDixo » Sun, 02 Mar 2003 13:53:03



Quote:
> > (AUTOSIPHON)

Well, er, you know the rest...

Cheers,
Mike