Love and rockets

Love and rockets

Post by shro » Thu, 09 Aug 2001 01:03:54



I did not wish to offend, frighten, or otherwise stimulate new thought
for anyone that reacts badly to dreams and ideas. I just want more out
of life. About any rudeness I might have displayed, let's just say I was
wallowing in self pity about my affliction, a rare and weak moment.
Back to my original question, would you ride a solid fuel rocket or a
liquid fuel rocket?
Also would you ride a V-2?
And yes, I am serious about the SHX Raven!

Shrox

 
 
 

Love and rockets

Post by Michael Roy Holliha » Thu, 09 Aug 2001 01:39:42


Quote:

> Also would you ride a V-2?

I may have this distorted--and will be glad to be corrected if I do--but
I seem to recall reading many years ago that in fact one of the
Peenemunde engineers was put into a V-2 and sent up in it. Naturally, he
died. But he was the first person to ride a rocket. Can anyone provide
more info, or lay this to rest as an urban legend?

--
Michael Roy Hollihan
Mid-South Rocket Society
(Remove the NOT to REPLY)

Let us, for a moment, take the sex-education pushers at their word: If
you teach a child how to use a ***, you're promoting safety - not
usage. Why, then, doesn't the same logic apply to guns? (Michelle
Malkin, The Washington Times)

 
 
 

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Post by Oliver Aren » Thu, 09 Aug 2001 02:31:01


Quote:
> Also would you ride a V-2?

Prolly, but only with a sufficient life-support system or such.

Quote:
> And yes, I am serious about the SHX Raven!

I'm afraid you are...

I heard they have parts of or complete 40 Saturn V lying around somewhere.
Why not just use these? A third stage with one person payload should get
into orbit (no sims, just a guess).

Oliver

 
 
 

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Post by shro » Thu, 09 Aug 2001 02:42:00


The SHXRaven is a suborbital design, basically cannonballing it up +100km and
flying back down. There is a  simplified cutaway diagram that shows the basic
internal arrangement. The booster could certainly be a pre-existing model.
That would qualify as "off the shelf".

It occurred to me that most of you have no idea who the hell I am, nor which
produce truck I fell off of. I have been an artist and director involved in
games and movies for 15 years now, and I am sometimes shocked at the vast
amounts of money blown on really bad movies, most any movie based on a video
or computer game for example. I just want to see such a budget go for a real
space program rather than fake dinosaurs or planet bashing aliens. That's all
I am after.
Don't even get me started on the dot coms going down in flames all around
Silicon Valley. That should give you a clue as to the flashy graphics part.

Shrox
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Quote:

> > Also would you ride a V-2?

> Prolly, but only with a sufficient life-support system or such.

> > And yes, I am serious about the SHX Raven!

> I'm afraid you are...

> I heard they have parts of or complete 40 Saturn V lying around somewhere.
> Why not just use these? A third stage with one person payload should get
> into orbit (no sims, just a guess).

> Oliver

 
 
 

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Post by Stuart Lesli » Thu, 09 Aug 2001 03:28:34


Why a ground launched rocket at all? Seems "simpler" to launch from a
plane horizontally, less "g's" and not as much fuss with launch
facilities etc. Fly your modified 777 with a belly/wing slung launch
vehicle out over international airspace and let loose with your liquid
fuel motors (sure hate to overshoot your target with solid fuel and end
up in orbit with no means to return!). If you can include a glide
landing then you can set her back down in Nevada on those glorious salt
flats. This probably eliminates the need for any complex steering! If I
were going to risk my life with a launch even to 100,000 feet, I would
still like to have something that I "might" be able to control on the
way down. This would at least give me "reasonable" odds of say 1 in
10,000 of living through it.

Good luck with your exploration, sounds like you are having some fun!

-Stuart Leslie

Quote:

> The SHXRaven is a suborbital design, basically cannonballing it up +100km and
> flying back down. There is a  simplified cutaway diagram that shows the basic
> internal arrangement. The booster could certainly be a pre-existing model.
> That would qualify as "off the shelf".

> It occurred to me that most of you have no idea who the hell I am, nor which
> produce truck I fell off of. I have been an artist and director involved in
> games and movies for 15 years now, and I am sometimes shocked at the vast
> amounts of money blown on really bad movies, most any movie based on a video
> or computer game for example. I just want to see such a budget go for a real
> space program rather than fake dinosaurs or planet bashing aliens. That's all
> I am after.
> Don't even get me started on the dot coms going down in flames all around
> Silicon Valley. That should give you a clue as to the flashy graphics part.

> Shrox
> -------------------------------------------------------------------


> > > Also would you ride a V-2?

> > Prolly, but only with a sufficient life-support system or such.

> > > And yes, I am serious about the SHX Raven!

> > I'm afraid you are...

> > I heard they have parts of or complete 40 Saturn V lying around somewhere.
> > Why not just use these? A third stage with one person payload should get
> > into orbit (no sims, just a guess).

> > Oliver

 
 
 

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Post by Dan Schneide » Thu, 09 Aug 2001 03:50:18


<snip>
Quote:
>It occurred to me that most of you have no idea who the hell I am...

<snip>

Firstname - Doug.
NAR# 7##98

Close enough?   ;-)

Dan Schneider
TRA 8270 (L1)
NAR 79172 (L1)
SLRA (www.StLouisRocketry.org)

http://home.stltoday.com/~poseidon/
Excuse me, I'm reading RMR here, not "trying to use time efficiently"...

 
 
 

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Post by shro » Thu, 09 Aug 2001 04:16:30


Douglas Shrock
NAR #72998

And I forgot that I have a popular model rocket company. Life is funny...

Shrox
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Quote:


> <snip>
> >It occurred to me that most of you have no idea who the hell I am...
> <snip>

> Firstname - Doug.
> NAR# 7##98

 
 
 

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Post by Thomas Engelhard » Thu, 09 Aug 2001 06:36:55


Hi Michael,

after looking through all of my books and doing an internet research, I'm
inclined to the urban legend theory.
The A4/V2 was built as a weapon, and although there were plans to convert it
into a space launcher (which was WvB's intent from the start on), Hitler
would have none of that.

Cheers,

Tom

Michael Roy Hollihan schrieb:

Quote:

> > Also would you ride a V-2?

> I may have this distorted--and will be glad to be corrected if I do--but
> I seem to recall reading many years ago that in fact one of the
> Peenemunde engineers was put into a V-2 and sent up in it. Naturally, he
> died. But he was the first person to ride a rocket. Can anyone provide
> more info, or lay this to rest as an urban legend?

> --
> Michael Roy Hollihan
> Mid-South Rocket Society
> (Remove the NOT to REPLY)

> Let us, for a moment, take the sex-education pushers at their word: If
> you teach a child how to use a ***, you're promoting safety - not
> usage. Why, then, doesn't the same logic apply to guns? (Michelle
> Malkin, The Washington Times)

--
Atheism is a non-prophet organization.
 
 
 

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Post by David Urbane » Thu, 09 Aug 2001 08:01:03


Quote:

> Back to my original question, would you ride a solid fuel rocket or a
> liquid fuel rocket?

Depends on who made it, how well, and how thoroughly they tested it.  I'd
be more interested in the track record than the rocket design.

Quote:
> Also would you ride a V-2?

There aren't any still around, so no.

Quote:
> And yes, I am serious about the SHX Raven!

Cool.  However, if I had a million bucks, I'd probably spend it with Burt
Rutan's X-Prize attempt.  It's not a knock against you, but Burt's got a
track record.
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Post by Quilly Mammot » Thu, 09 Aug 2001 08:08:42


I believe that one project that did test fly with a human in a rocket powered
vehicle was the last test of the "Natter".  A rocket glider that had a nose full
of 54mm rockets that would hopefully fly through a B-17 formation and wreck
havoc.

On Tue, 07 Aug 2001 23:36:55 +0200, in article

Quote:

>Hi Michael,

>after looking through all of my books and doing an internet research, I'm
>inclined to the urban legend theory.
>The A4/V2 was built as a weapon, and although there were plans to convert it
>into a space launcher (which was WvB's intent from the start on), Hitler
>would have none of that.

>Cheers,

>Tom

>Michael Roy Hollihan schrieb:


>> > Also would you ride a V-2?

>> I may have this distorted--and will be glad to be corrected if I do--but
>> I seem to recall reading many years ago that in fact one of the
>> Peenemunde engineers was put into a V-2 and sent up in it. Naturally, he
>> died. But he was the first person to ride a rocket. Can anyone provide
>> more info, or lay this to rest as an urban legend?

snip

Quilly Mammoth

"Solid concrete from the shoulders up"