Help--clonin' a Joe (Little Joe II)

Help--clonin' a Joe (Little Joe II)

Post by B. Bal » Mon, 06 Nov 2000 04:00:00



RMRers

Just wanted to let you know that thanks to the help of members of this
group a clone of both Maxi Pershing and Maxi V2 will be available
shortly for you serious enthusiasts that want G-Motor action. Will
keep people posted on develpments.

Now onto next project. I want to clone Three Little Joe II kits. 1/100
882 kit not a problem and will use a resin capsule and tower. KS-30
will be a bit more work. Does anyone know offhand the actual scale
factor of this model?

The real reason for this post is the Centuri KS-8 1/45 LJII. I am
DESPERATE for a scan of the originals plans etc. Could anyone possibly
send these to me.

Also am having trouble finding good scale detail. Can anyone tell me
the exact number of corrugations between two fins (i.e. for 1/4
circumferance of the unit). I can't find any pictures with enough
detail. If you happen to live close to a LJII on display could someone
count them PLEASE. Any digital photos of a real-life vehicles would be
great. Same goes for fin fairing. If anyone has more detail on this
(or scans of Centuri wraps) this would be great. If you can help me,
I can in turn help the group by making this available. BTW this is NOT
my attempt at establishing a commercial enterprise!! This is
collaborative rocketeering!


YOUR HELP!

Brent Ball

(from Kingston Canada eh?)

 
 
 

Help--clonin' a Joe (Little Joe II)

Post by Brett Buc » Mon, 06 Nov 2000 04:00:00


Quote:

> RMRers

> Just wanted to let you know that thanks to the help of members of this
> group a clone of both Maxi Pershing and Maxi V2 will be available
> shortly for you serious enthusiasts that want G-Motor action. Will
> keep people posted on develpments.

> Now onto next project. I want to clone Three Little Joe II kits. 1/100
> 882 kit not a problem and will use a resin capsule and tower. KS-30
> will be a bit more work. Does anyone know offhand the actual scale
> factor of this model?

> The real reason for this post is the Centuri KS-8 1/45 LJII. I am
> DESPERATE for a scan of the originals plans etc. Could anyone possibly
> send these to me.

   I have an opened KS-8 and can get whatever details you  want. JimZ
also has most of what you need.

    BTW, the Estes kit 882 is the same as the Centuri KS-9. The Estes
K-30 was built around the BT-70, which should get you started, along
with the JimZ Plans, and scale data sheet.

   Brett

 
 
 

Help--clonin' a Joe (Little Joe II)

Post by GCGassaw » Mon, 06 Nov 2000 04:00:00


Quote:

>>>Also am having trouble finding good scale detail. Can anyone tell me

the exact number of corrugations between two fins (i.e. for 1/4
circumferance of the unit). I can't find any pictures with enough
detail. If you happen to live close to a LJII on display could someone
count them PLEASE. Any digital photos of a real-life vehicles would be
great. Same goes for fin fairing. If anyone has more detail on this
(or scans of Centuri wraps) this would be great. If you can help me,
I can in turn help the group by making this available. BTW this is NOT
my attempt at establishing a commercial enterprise!! This is
collaborative rocketeering!<<<

Try to obtain photocopies or back-issues of the Little Joe-II data in the
May/June and July/August 1991 issues of American Spacemodeling (former name of
Sport Rocketry magazine).  There is far more detail in there than you will even
want to attempt to add to a kit. Indeed during the research of the data for
those drawings, it was found there were several significant inaccuracies  the
much-loved 1/45 Centuri kit had.

To answer one question though, the body had exactly 120 corrugations all
around, 30 between two fins.  If you go to a hobby shop and look for some
Evergreen plastic styrene sheet with a "metal siding" pattern, that is exactly
the shape of the corrugations.

Also, you asked about Little Joe-II's on display. There are two. One at JSC in
Houston, and one at the International Space Hall of Fame in Alamogordo, NM.
However those too have some inaccuracies due to mixing and matching of some of
the wrong parts. So, they are good for research if you know what you are really
looking at, but not good to blindly copy.  A big part of the problem is that
for some screwy reason the one at JSC has a body that was not meant to use the
fin root (RCS) fairings or moveable fins, but it has them, while the one at
ISHF has a body meant for the fairings and moveable fins but has fixed fins
(yeah, obviously each one is using the OTHER one's intended fins).

- George Gassaway

 
 
 

Help--clonin' a Joe (Little Joe II)

Post by Sams Famil » Mon, 06 Nov 2000 04:00:00


FWIW, I posted a pic of the JSC LJ2 to abmr.

Doug Sams

 
 
 

Help--clonin' a Joe (Little Joe II)

Post by Chad D. Blai » Mon, 06 Nov 2000 04:00:00


I have some pictures of the LJII at JSC on my website -
http://www.i-t-a-inc.com/cdblair/air_space/space/JSC/JSC2.html  - they are
not the greatest for scale detail, but might help.

I recently took about 50 pictures of a Redstone missile that is at the USS
Alabama Battleship park.  Lots of close ups and detail shots. The missile is
in surprisingly good condition for a 50 year old piece of hardware.  Anyone
interested in these pictures???

Chad Blair

Quote:

>FWIW, I posted a pic of the JSC LJ2 to abmr.

>Doug Sams

 
 
 

Help--clonin' a Joe (Little Joe II)

Post by Jeff Brund » Thu, 09 Nov 2000 04:00:00


Brent,

Can you provide some more details on the V-2? Will it be like the original
maxi-brute from Estes?
Any idea on price? Materials?

Thanks,

Jeff

BTW I beleive the scale of the KS-30 LJ2 was 1/70 scale to match the S1b
maxi from estes.

Quote:

> RMRers

> Just wanted to let you know that thanks to the help of members of this
> group a clone of both Maxi Pershing and Maxi V2 will be available
> shortly for you serious enthusiasts that want G-Motor action. Will
> keep people posted on develpments.

 
 
 

Help--clonin' a Joe (Little Joe II)

Post by bball.. » Fri, 24 Nov 2000 04:00:00



Jeff

Sorry, have been busy a while. The V2 will be a Maxi V2 with your
choice of vacuform, epoxy or resin fins. Currently a work in progress.
Boat tail will be plastic. NCone is still under investigation. Will fly
G-H motors. Plywood centering rings too. Send me an email and I can
give you a shout when someting is ready.

Brent


Quote:
> Brent,

> Can you provide some more details on the V-2? Will it be like the
original
> maxi-brute from Estes?
> Any idea on price? Materials?

> Thanks,

> Jeff

> BTW I beleive the scale of the KS-30 LJ2 was 1/70 scale to match the
S1b
> maxi from estes.


> > RMRers

> > Just wanted to let you know that thanks to the help of members of
this
> > group a clone of both Maxi Pershing and Maxi V2 will be available
> > shortly for you serious enthusiasts that want G-Motor action. Will
> > keep people posted on develpments.

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