Splitting RMR/posting ettiquete

Splitting RMR/posting ettiquete

Post by Austin Taylo » Sun, 19 Jul 1998 04:00:00



Just a couple of thoughts guys...

With the volume of posting going on at RMR, I often find it difficult
locating or following particular threads.

What do think of the idea of splitting RMR up into sub-newsgroups based
on general topic?  This would make it easier to find particular issues,
and might avoid flame wars over the suitability of material for the
newsgroup.

There's probably enough volume in this group to support the following
categories:

rec.models.rockets.flight (launch systems, pyrotechnics, propellents)
rec.models.rockets.build (kit, scratch, plans, recovery devices etc.)
rec.models.rockets.CATO (why did my rocket fail?)
rec.models.rockets.launches (announcements, reports)
rec.models.rockets.theory (Sonic booms, CP/CG theories etc.)
rec.models.rockets.proto (protoypes, "did you see that NASA thing?" etc)
rec.models.rockets.NAR (NAR specific issues)
rec.models.rockets.TRA (TRA specific issues)
rec.models.rockets.CAR (no volume but we really need one up here)
rec.models.rockets.(other national/internationl orgs as required)
rec.models.rockets.regulatory (safety code, government reg issues)
rec.models.rockets.visitors (for general newbie questions)
rec.models.rockets (general, unclassified info)

Another thought I had... Might I suggest a rule of etiquette?  When
posting, preface the subject line with MR, HPR, AR, or PRO (Model
Rocketry, High Power Rocketry, Amateur Rocketry, or PROfessional
rocketry) to indicate the category of rocketry your issue is addressed
to.  I often find myself wanting to lecture on safety code to what I
percieve might be a newbie in MR, but if the question is addressed as an
Amateur Rocketeer, I'd not bother.

This along with a perhaps cautionary note in RMR.visitors would also
make sure that novices visiting the group became rapidly aware of the
differences and similarities of these various disciplines.

Watcha think?

Austin Taylor
Canadian Association of Rocketry
Canadian Rcket Society

 
 
 

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Post by 69charge » Sun, 19 Jul 1998 04:00:00



Quote:

>Just a couple of thoughts guys...

>With the volume of posting going on at RMR, I often find it difficult
>locating or following particular threads.

>What do think of the idea of splitting RMR up into sub-newsgroups based
>on general topic?  This would make it easier to find particular issues,
>and might avoid flame wars over the suitability of material for the
>newsgroup.

>There's probably enough volume in this group to support the following
>categories:

>rec.models.rockets.flight (launch systems, pyrotechnics, propellents)
>rec.models.rockets.build (kit, scratch, plans, recovery devices etc.)
>rec.models.rockets.CATO (why did my rocket fail?)
>rec.models.rockets.launches (announcements, reports)
>rec.models.rockets.theory (Sonic booms, CP/CG theories etc.)
>rec.models.rockets.proto (protoypes, "did you see that NASA thing?" etc)
>rec.models.rockets.NAR (NAR specific issues)
>rec.models.rockets.TRA (TRA specific issues)
>rec.models.rockets.CAR (no volume but we really need one up here)
>rec.models.rockets.(other national/internationl orgs as required)
>rec.models.rockets.regulatory (safety code, government reg issues)
>rec.models.rockets.visitors (for general newbie questions)
>rec.models.rockets (general, unclassified info)

I already tried rec.models.rockets.politics and no one wanted it. Such a
newsgroup would clean RMR up 100%.

--
Tom Swenson
TRA# 3593 L2
NAR# 72642
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/9111/hpr.html

 
 
 

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Post by Tim » Sun, 19 Jul 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

> What do think of the idea of splitting RMR up into sub-newsgroups based
> on general topic?  This would make it easier to find particular issues,
> and might avoid flame wars over the suitability of material for the
> newsgroup.

How long have you been reading r.m.r.? :-)

There have been many attempts to get people to post subject guides such
as TECH, POL, etc. and that has gone over like a lead balloon.  There
have been several attempts to get a rec.models.rockets.political, or
something equivalent, and all have failed to get enough votes.  It looks
like you are stuck wading through posts to find what you want.

Tim

 
 
 

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Post by Sandy559 » Sun, 19 Jul 1998 04:00:00


To many to reveiw, at least with the way it is now you can get a variety of
subjects without
have to go to another newsgroup. I think it
should remain the same. Keep it simple!
Steve
 
 
 

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Post by John H. Cato, Jr » Sun, 19 Jul 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

> It looks like you are stuck wading through posts to find what you
> want.

But isn't that the way it is for ALL of us, Tim??

I mean, I do the same thing (as I imagine you and everybody else).  I
have no interest in "What kind of glue do I use for my Alpha" - nor very
much in "Gliders"  Nor "What does Cato mean?" <g>.

And yet, it is ALL part of rocketry, is it not?  (And you haven't seen
me start a thread "We need a r.m.r.newbie" group split -- but that is
JUST as relevant as a r.m.r.politics split).

All this BCM about splitting the newsgroup just strikes me as more than
a little selfish.

The solution is simple: read what interests you and ignore the rest.

Guess what?  It works.

-- john.

 
 
 

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Post by Darrell D. Moble » Sun, 19 Jul 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

> I already tried rec.models.rockets.politics and no one wanted it. Such a
> newsgroup would clean RMR up 100%.

In the voice of Doug Whiner:

weeeeellll, iffff yoouuuuuu diddddd thaaaattt, I woulddddd havvvve toooo
reeeeaaaadd twwoooooo neeeewwwwwwwsss ggrooouuuupppss theeeennnn.
*snivel* Iiiii ddoooonn'tttt thinnnnkkk I waannnntt tooooo ddooooo
thaaatttt....  *snort*
--
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Post by The Silent Observe » Mon, 20 Jul 1998 04:00:00


Quote:


> > What do think of the idea of splitting RMR up into sub-newsgroups based
> > on general topic?

> There have been many attempts to get people to post subject guides such
> as TECH, POL, etc. and that has gone over like a lead balloon.

Y'know, I once saw a picture of a lead balloon.

That's right, a genuine, helium-filled, floating-on-a-string balloon,
made of the thinnest lead foil you can imagine.

Not exactly an easy thing to create, but it's worth remembering that
many, if not most of the things we think of as impossible are just
waiting for someone to come along who wants badly enough to make them
happen...

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Post by Tim » Mon, 20 Jul 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

> Y'know, I once saw a picture of a lead balloon.

> That's right, a genuine, helium-filled, floating-on-a-string balloon,
> made of the thinnest lead foil you can imagine.

> Not exactly an easy thing to create, but it's worth remembering that
> many, if not most of the things we think of as impossible are just
> waiting for someone to come along who wants badly enough to make them
> happen...

The U.S. going to the moon "before this decade is out" comes to mind.  I
doubt many people thought we could do it in what turned out to be eight
years.

Tim

 
 
 

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Post by Tim » Mon, 20 Jul 1998 04:00:00



Quote:
> But isn't that the way it is for ALL of us, Tim??

> I mean, I do the same thing (as I imagine you and everybody else).  I
> have no interest in "What kind of glue do I use for my Alpha" - nor very
> much in "Gliders"  Nor "What does Cato mean?" <g>.

> And yet, it is ALL part of rocketry, is it not?  (And you haven't seen
> me start a thread "We need a r.m.r.newbie" group split -- but that is
> JUST as relevant as a r.m.r.politics split).

> All this BCM about splitting the newsgroup just strikes me as more than
> a little selfish.

> The solution is simple: read what interests you and ignore the rest.

> Guess what?  It works.

I wasn't the one that asked for another newsgroup.  I never have.  Check
Deja News if you like.  I do exactally what you mention above, read the
interesting subject line posts, ignore the rest.
As far as BCM, I know that there would be cross posting on the multiple
group format, so it's potential value would be stunted.

Since you took one sentence out of my post, I'll explain it to you.  I
was telling the guy that his idea had been tried several times but very
few wanted it to happen...that means if he wants to read r.m.r. *he's*
stuck with the format.  I don't mind the single group, so I'm not the
one *stuck* with a limited format.

By the way, what's the proper use for (*) and (') when posting on
r.m.r.?  

Tim

 
 
 

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Post by nojun » Mon, 20 Jul 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

> The U.S. going to the moon "before this decade is out" comes to mind.  I
> doubt many people thought we could do it in what turned out to be eight
> years.

..and what was even more amazing, none of the Apollo hardware had
actually been flown until a little less than 2 years from the lunar
landing.  The Apollo 1 disaster coupled with a growing public
questioning of the costs and NASA management almost managed to either
kill or delay the entire program.

(I've been re-reading the NY TImes book "We Reach The Moon".  This
contemporary account, which hit the stores within 72 hours of the return
of Apollo 11, has lots of little tidbits that most other books miss.)

--
Mike
NAR #70953 - Sr/Insured/Level-1 ~ SeaNAR - The Seattle NAR Section #568
NO Junk Email, please! Real email to: amphoto [at] blarg [dot] net.
<WARNING: Do not look into laser beam with remaining eye!>

 
 
 

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Post by Darren J. Longhor » Tue, 21 Jul 1998 04:00:00



Quote:
> have been several attempts to get a rec.models.rockets.political, or
> something equivalent, and all have failed to get enough votes.  It looks
> like you are stuck wading through posts to find what you want.

I don't remember a voting stage.
Did it get that far?

--
Darren J. Longhorn
UKRA98: prepped 4, flew 3, recovered 2.

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/8238/

 
 
 

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Post by -Wiersbe,R. » Tue, 21 Jul 1998 04:00:00




Quote:

>> I already tried rec.models.rockets.politics and no one wanted it. Such a
>> newsgroup would clean RMR up 100%.

>In the voice of Doug Whiner:

>weeeeellll, iffff yoouuuuuu diddddd thaaaattt, I woulddddd havvvve toooo
>reeeeaaaadd twwoooooo neeeewwwwwwwsss ggrooouuuupppss theeeennnn.
>*snivel* Iiiii ddoooonn'tttt thinnnnkkk I waannnntt tooooo ddooooo
>thaaatttt....  *snort*

If you really want to clean up RMR, you have to get rid of it entirely. NO
other solution will work.

However, if you like RMR and just want to get past certain posts/people,
add these names to a kill file:

John H. Cato
Jerry Irvine
Darrell Mobley
Mike Dumas
Tom Swenson (or 69charger, whatever works)

That'll kill about 100 posts a day, and you won't miss _any_ technical
content.

If you don't have killfile capability, you're screwed. Or stuck with
Rocketry Online, which is about the same thing.

Works for me, and it's just my opinion. Your's will be different, and
I really don't want to hear about it (note: that's about the attitude
anyone can expect on rmr with regards to political debate).

--

 
 
 

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Post by Darrell D. Moble » Tue, 21 Jul 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

> However, if you like RMR and just want to get past certain posts/people,
> add these names to a kill file:

> John H. Cato
> Jerry Irvine
> Darrell Mobley
> Mike Dumas
> Tom Swenson (or 69charger, whatever works)

Well, if you did what you say, you wouldn't have read it and ***ed.  So practice what
you preach and shut up.

Quote:
> If you don't have killfile capability, you're screwed. Or stuck with
> Rocketry Online, which is about the same thing.

Oh WAH, crybaby.

Quote:
> I really don't want to hear about it

Too bad.  Deal with it.
--
Visit "Rocketry Online" at http://www.FoundCollection.com/ for the latest rocketry-oriented
Internet information.

"You come here, we'll take you there..."

 
 
 

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Post by The Silent Observe » Tue, 21 Jul 1998 04:00:00


<snip>

Quote:

> However, if you like RMR and just want to get past certain posts/people,
> add these names to a kill file:

> John H. Cato
> Jerry Irvine
> Darrell Mobley
> Mike Dumas
> Tom Swenson (or 69charger, whatever works)

> That'll kill about 100 posts a day, and you won't miss _any_ technical
> content.

I must disagree, Bob -- I've seen significant technical content in a
goodly number of posts from John Cato (re: recovery, mostly), Jerry
Irvine (re: motor internals), and Darrell Mobley (a lot of stuff).

And between the lot, they don't generate more than about 50 postings a
day, even at the height of the flamewars -- it just seems like more...
B)

--
 WARNING!!  This area has been designated an official DOPE FREE ZONE!!

      If you're going to be a dope, please do it somewhere else!

Donald Qualls, aka The Silent Observer           NAR # 70141-SR Insured
Rocket Pages             http://members.aol.com/silntobsvr/launches.htm

Opinions expressed are my own -- take them for what they're worth
and don't expect them to be perfect.

 
 
 

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Post by Bob Kapl » Tue, 21 Jul 1998 04:00:00



Quote:

>> I already tried rec.models.rockets.politics and no one wanted it. Such a
>> newsgroup would clean RMR up 100%.

> In the voice of Doug Whiner:

> weeeeellll, iffff yoouuuuuu diddddd thaaaattt, I woulddddd havvvve toooo
> reeeeaaaadd twwoooooo neeeewwwwwwwsss ggrooouuuupppss theeeennnn.
> *snivel* Iiiii ddoooonn'tttt thinnnnkkk I waannnntt tooooo ddooooo
> thaaatttt....  *snort*

Sadly, it would more likely result in all your whining being cross posted to
both groups.

        Bob Kaplow      NAR # 18L       TRA # "Ctrl-Alt-Del"

Kaplow Klips:   http://members.aol.com/myhprcato/KaplowKlips.html
NIRA:           http://www.nira.chicago.il.us