ROL NEWS--Ellis Mountain Motor Delays Certified

ROL NEWS--Ellis Mountain Motor Delays Certified

Post by ROL New » Sun, 24 Aug 2003 01:37:13



Ellis Mountain Motor Delays Certified
August 22, 2003
Web posted at: 12:28 PM EDT

(ROL Newswire ) -- Ellis Mountain Rocket Works is happy to announce the
TMT certification of delays for all their 38mm reloadable motors as well
as the 38mm H48-8 and I 134-15 single use motors. Forward closures and
delay kits for the relaodable motors can be purchased from Ellis
Mountain retailers. More information may be found at:
www.geocities.com/ellismountain/

Source: ROL Newswire Service

 
 
 

ROL NEWS--Ellis Mountain Motor Delays Certified

Post by Mark Simpso » Sun, 24 Aug 2003 07:17:36


Quote:

> Ellis Mountain Motor Delays Certified
> August 22, 2003
> Web posted at: 12:28 PM EDT

> (ROL Newswire ) -- Ellis Mountain Rocket Works is happy to announce the
> TMT certification of delays for all their 38mm reloadable motors as well
> as the 38mm H48-8 and I 134-15 single use motors. Forward closures and
> delay kits for the relaodable motors can be purchased from Ellis
> Mountain retailers. More information may be found at:
> www.geocities.com/ellismountain/

> Source: ROL Newswire Service

Hum... Will I be able to retrofit the delays on my old I150 hardware and
reloads...I wonder.

Mark Simpson
NAR 71503 Level II
God Bless our peacekeepers

 
 
 

ROL NEWS--Ellis Mountain Motor Delays Certified

Post by buff.. » Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:57:31


Mark,

Yes, the delay closures are interchangeable with the original plugged
closure.  One item though,  you need to put in the forward snap ring
then insert the delay closure from the aft end as the snap ring will
not compress around an installed delay closure.

All the delays were very consistent and had real nice smoke.

Paul Holmes
TMT Secretary

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 18:17:36 -0400, Mark Simpson

Quote:


>> Ellis Mountain Motor Delays Certified
>> August 22, 2003
>> Web posted at: 12:28 PM EDT

>> (ROL Newswire ) -- Ellis Mountain Rocket Works is happy to announce the
>> TMT certification of delays for all their 38mm reloadable motors as well
>> as the 38mm H48-8 and I 134-15 single use motors. Forward closures and
>> delay kits for the relaodable motors can be purchased from Ellis
>> Mountain retailers. More information may be found at:
>> www.geocities.com/ellismountain/

>> Source: ROL Newswire Service

>Hum... Will I be able to retrofit the delays on my old I150 hardware and
>reloads...I wonder.

>Mark Simpson
>NAR 71503 Level II
>God Bless our peacekeepers

 
 
 

ROL NEWS--Ellis Mountain Motor Delays Certified

Post by Jerry Irvin » Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:03:44



Quote:

> Mark,

> Yes, the delay closures are interchangeable with the original plugged
> closure.  One item though,  you need to put in the forward snap ring
> then insert the delay closure from the aft end as the snap ring will
> not compress around an installed delay closure.

> All the delays were very consistent and had real nice smoke.

> Paul Holmes
> TMT Secretary

Hey TMT secretary.  Why are USR HYBRIDS not approved despite submissions?

Why are USR solids banned despite being fully legal?

Quote:

> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 18:17:36 -0400, Mark Simpson


> >> Ellis Mountain Motor Delays Certified
> >> August 22, 2003
> >> Web posted at: 12:28 PM EDT

> >> (ROL Newswire ) -- Ellis Mountain Rocket Works is happy to announce the
> >> TMT certification of delays for all their 38mm reloadable motors as well
> >> as the 38mm H48-8 and I 134-15 single use motors. Forward closures and
> >> delay kits for the relaodable motors can be purchased from Ellis
> >> Mountain retailers. More information may be found at:
> >> www.geocities.com/ellismountain/

> >> Source: ROL Newswire Service

> >Hum... Will I be able to retrofit the delays on my old I150 hardware and
> >reloads...I wonder.

> >Mark Simpson
> >NAR 71503 Level II
> >God Bless our peacekeepers

--
Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA

Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
Produce then publish.  http://www.usrockets.com
 
 
 

ROL NEWS--Ellis Mountain Motor Delays Certified

Post by buff.. » Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:09:19




Quote:

>Hey TMT secretary.  Why are USR HYBRIDS not approved despite submissions?

>Why are USR solids banned despite being fully legal?

Bottom line, you already know the answer, but I'll say it once for
everyone else.

First, we need three legitimate indications that your business is just
that, a legitimate business.  Examples are Sales Tax licenses granted
by the state, a business license, certificate of lease with the proper
address, or a certificate of incorporation.  These all have to have
the name of the principle owners and they have to be unaltered.  All
of the certification actions need to be accomplished by those
principles.  These are required for liability purposes

Second, submission of the DOT EX paperwork is required if you are
certifying any motor that uses AP based propellants or preheaters.
This is required to insure the motors are being shipped legally.

Third, again if AP motors are to be submitted, a valid LEMP with the
proper names has to be submitted to prove the motors are being
manufactured in a safe, legal manner with the proper facility.

It is irrelevant to us if you think these are inordinate requirements,
these are the rules according to our charter.  Everyone else that is
certified has accomplished this with no problems.  Once all of these
genuine articles are submitted, approved manufacturer's certification
is assured.  

Bottom line, the rules are the same for all, if you comply with all of
these requirements, we'll certify you.

 
 
 

ROL NEWS--Ellis Mountain Motor Delays Certified

Post by Jerry Irvin » Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:34:57



Quote:



> >Hey TMT secretary.  Why are USR HYBRIDS not approved despite submissions?

> >Why are USR solids banned despite being fully legal?

> Bottom line, you already know the answer, but I'll say it once for
> everyone else.

> First, we need three legitimate indications that your business is just
> that, a legitimate business.  Examples are Sales Tax licenses granted
> by the state, a business license, certificate of lease with the proper
> address, or a certificate of incorporation.  These all have to have
> the name of the principle owners and they have to be unaltered.  All
> of the certification actions need to be accomplished by those
> principles.  These are required for liability purposes

May I pick three?

Sales tax license
Business license or county statement it is not neede din the
jurisdiction.
I delivered a lease and have always been able to deliver that.
Not incorporated.

What do you define as "principals".  Is this the technicality you are
resting on for the butt***?

Quote:

> Second, submission of the DOT EX paperwork is required if you are
> certifying any motor that uses AP based propellants or preheaters.
> This is required to insure the motors are being shipped legally.

Two EX numbers are CLEARLY issues, never expire and are CLEARLY useable
by me.

EX-8611103
EX-8611104

Quote:

> Third, again if AP motors are to be submitted, a valid LEMP with the
> proper names has to be submitted to prove the motors are being
> manufactured in a safe, legal manner with the proper facility.

That is NOT a federal requirement.  Propellant is exempt from ATF
regulation. When I did submit it to you you refused it anyway!!!

Your own lawsuit against ATF admits it is not required.  It is NOT,
repeat NOT required.  Toi demand it is a crime and you WILL be punished
if you persist.

Quote:

> It is irrelevant to us if you think these are inordinate requirements,
> these are the rules according to our charter.  Everyone else that is

NONE of those rules ar in your charter.  If you claim they are, publish
it and deliver it to me,  email it to me.  Publish a link to your
website.  Show me.

Quote:
> certified has accomplished this with no problems.  Once all of these
> genuine articles are submitted, approved manufacturer's certification
> is assured.  

> Bottom line, the rules are the same for all, if you comply with all of
> these requirements, we'll certify you.

If you ask for ilegal things you WILL be punished.  If I provide what is
legal and asked for and you still deny me you WILL be punished.

And the punishment will be just as merciless as that you have extended
to me over the years.  Plus some.

Jerry

P.S. *** you.

--
Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA

Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
Produce then publish.  http://www.FoundCollection.com/

 
 
 

ROL NEWS--Ellis Mountain Motor Delays Certified

Post by David Weinshenke » Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:46:57


Quote:

> And the punishment will be just as merciless
> as  that you have extended to me over the years.
> Plus some.

Jerry,
Living well is the best revenge.

-dave w

 
 
 

ROL NEWS--Ellis Mountain Motor Delays Certified

Post by Jerry Irvin » Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:48:23




Quote:

> > And the punishment will be just as merciless
> > as  that you have extended to me over the years.
> > Plus some.

> Jerry,
> Living well is the best revenge.

> -dave w

That too :)

--
Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA

Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
Produce then publish.  http://www.usrockets.com

 
 
 

ROL NEWS--Ellis Mountain Motor Delays Certified

Post by buff.. » Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:36:26


Punishment I have extended to you? I've never sent you any personal
correspondence, nor was I any part of the actions taken against you,
take that up with other people.  You flatter me by considering me the
whole organization.

You ask where these requirements are published, they're easily
accessible  on the web site, presented as an excerpt from the Tripoli
Motor Testing code published by Tom Blazanin, TMT Chair in 1996

I only have one final observation.  If Tripoli, NAR and CAR are such
"fools", "idiots", "criminals", why do you want to associate with us,
so bad?  You should be glad you're of such high m***character to not
deal with us.



Quote:



>> > And the punishment will be just as merciless
>> > as  that you have extended to me over the years.
>> > Plus some.

>> Jerry,
>> Living well is the best revenge.

>> -dave w

>That too :)

 
 
 

ROL NEWS--Ellis Mountain Motor Delays Certified

Post by Jerry Irvin » Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:34:25



Quote:

> Punishment I have extended to you? I've never sent you any personal
> correspondence, nor was I any part of the actions taken against you,

If you are leader of TRA TMT, then you are party to the continued
request for illegal requirements to certify motors.  That continuing
illegal act is actionable.  To you personally, to you in your position,
to your club, and to your family.

Choose legal acts.

Quote:
> take that up with other people.  You flatter me by considering me the
> whole organization.

> You ask where these requirements are published, they're easily
> accessible  on the web site, presented as an excerpt from the Tripoli
> Motor Testing code published by Tom Blazanin, TMT Chair in 1996

You said "charter".  ATF permits are not required in the charter.  I
know because I was party to its original authorship.

Quote:

> I only have one final observation.  If Tripoli, NAR and CAR are such
> "fools", "idiots", "criminals", why do you want to associate with us,
> so bad?  You should be glad you're of such high m***character to not
> deal with us.

How can that logic even be replied to?

Jerry

Quote:






> >> > And the punishment will be just as merciless
> >> > as  that you have extended to me over the years.
> >> > Plus some.

> >> Jerry,
> >> Living well is the best revenge.

> >> -dave w

> >That too :)

--
Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA

Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
Produce then publish.  http://www.FoundCollection.com/
 
 
 

ROL NEWS--Ellis Mountain Motor Delays Certified

Post by Marcus Lee » Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:40:43


Quote:

> It is irrelevant to us if you think these are inordinate requirements,
> these are the rules according to our charter.  Everyone else that is
> certified has accomplished this with no problems.  Once all of these
> genuine articles are submitted, approved manufacturer's certification
> is assured.  

> Bottom line, the rules are the same for all, if you comply with all of
> these requirements, we'll certify you.

In fact, there was a problem when I (in my Propulsion Polymers role) applied
  for TRA manufacturer status.   The jurisdication where I operate my business
  doesn't require a business license.  The only thing I had was a (provincial)
  sales tax permit, and the provincial business name registration.  Sue
  eventually settled for the two pieces of "proof of legitimacy".

I'm *really, really* glad that CAR has its own motor testing process now, so
  I don't have to deal with some of the silliness, (and, to be frank, some of
  the lack of professionalism I experienced trying to cert through TRA).

 
 
 

ROL NEWS--Ellis Mountain Motor Delays Certified

Post by Jerry Irvin » Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:52:50




Quote:


> > It is irrelevant to us if you think these are inordinate requirements,
> > these are the rules according to our charter.  Everyone else that is
> > certified has accomplished this with no problems.  Once all of these
> > genuine articles are submitted, approved manufacturer's certification
> > is assured.  

> > Bottom line, the rules are the same for all, if you comply with all of
> > these requirements, we'll certify you.
> In fact, there was a problem when I (in my Propulsion Polymers role) applied
>   for TRA manufacturer status.   The jurisdication where I operate my
>   business
>   doesn't require a business license.  The only thing I had was a
>   (provincial)
>   sales tax permit, and the provincial business name registration.  Sue
>   eventually settled for the two pieces of "proof of legitimacy".

I received no such consideration from Sue or her successors on this very
topic or others.

Favoritism.

Quote:

> I'm *really, really* glad that CAR has its own motor testing process now, so
>   I don't have to deal with some of the silliness, (and, to be frank, some of
>   the lack of professionalism I experienced trying to cert through TRA).

I so agree.

--
Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA

Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
Produce then publish.  http://www.usrockets.com

 
 
 

ROL NEWS--Ellis Mountain Motor Delays Certified

Post by Mark Simps » Thu, 28 Aug 2003 01:18:02


Quote:

> Mark,

> Yes, the delay closures are interchangeable with the original plugged
> closure.  One item though,  you need to put in the forward snap ring
> then insert the delay closure from the aft end as the snap ring will
> not compress around an installed delay closure.

> All the delays were very consistent and had real nice smoke.

> Paul Holmes
> TMT Secretary

Thanks for the info, Paul.

Mark Simpson
NAR 71503 Level II
God Bless our peacekeepers

 
 
 

ROL NEWS--Ellis Mountain Motor Delays Certified

Post by Mark Simpso » Fri, 29 Aug 2003 07:31:33


Quote:



some deleted
> > In fact, there was a problem when I (in my Propulsion Polymers role) applied
> >   for TRA manufacturer status.   The jurisdication where I operate my
> >   business
> >   doesn't require a business license.  The only thing I had was a
> >   (provincial)
> >   sales tax permit, and the provincial business name registration.  Sue
> >   eventually settled for the two pieces of "proof of legitimacy".

> I received no such consideration from Sue or her successors on this very
> topic or others.

> Favoritism.

Geez, I can't imagine why TRA wouldn't bend over backwards trying to
accomodate you, Jerry. <BEG>

Mark Simpson
NAR 71503 Level II
God Bless our peacekeepers

 
 
 

ROL NEWS--Ellis Mountain Motor Delays Certified

Post by Jerry Irvin » Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:04:19




Quote:



> some deleted
> > > In fact, there was a problem when I (in my Propulsion Polymers role)
> > > applied
> > >   for TRA manufacturer status.   The jurisdication where I operate my
> > >   business
> > >   doesn't require a business license.  The only thing I had was a
> > >   (provincial)
> > >   sales tax permit, and the provincial business name registration.  Sue
> > >   eventually settled for the two pieces of "proof of legitimacy".

> > I received no such consideration from Sue or her successors on this very
> > topic or others.

> > Favoritism.

> Geez, I can't imagine why TRA wouldn't bend over backwards trying to
> accomodate you, Jerry. <BEG>

Simple fairness and level playing field would be a start.  Heck, approve
whatever papers they will approve and at least tell me SPECIFICALLY what
is lacking so I can address it either through channels or by having a
JUDGE order them to do the right thing on a narrow issue.

Jerry

Quote:

> Mark Simpson
> NAR 71503 Level II
> God Bless our peacekeepers

--
Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA

Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
Produce then publish.  http://www.usrockets.com