101 uses for an A10-PT

101 uses for an A10-PT

Post by BB » Fri, 05 Sep 2003 11:23:15



Now that the A10-PT's are out there, I've been fixating on coming up
with innovative uses for these little things (i.e., excuses to explain to my
wife why I had to buy that whole damn carton of 'em at Wally-World).
Just like Cheetos or Slim Jims, I just can't pass 'em by.

Here are a few of my ideas.

1.  Orbital Transport "JATO" mod - just glue some engine blocks
     into those outboard BT-5's, add some nose weight to compensate,
     and watch that baby say WHOOSH.  You DID build that glider out
     of plywood and epoxy, right?

2.  Outboard motors for that big Saturn 1B.  God Hisself intended that
     beauty to fly on 8 motors, didn't your momma teach you nothin?

3.  Ditto for the Saturn V, for those of you folks who didn't build it with
     5 x 18mm's in the first place (again as God intended).  Just glue up
     some BT-5's in there and plug 'em in.

4.  Retro rockets for that Mars Lander.  Rig up an IR proximity sensor
     in the base, so that landing is cushioned Soyuz-style.  Might want to
     fly this one over wet grass only, though.

How about you folks?

 
 
 

101 uses for an A10-PT

Post by Jerry Irvin » Fri, 05 Sep 2003 12:00:48



Quote:

> Now that the A10-PT's are out there, I've been fixating on coming up
> with innovative uses for these little things (i.e., excuses to explain to my
> wife why I had to buy that whole damn carton of 'em at Wally-World).
> Just like Cheetos or Slim Jims, I just can't pass 'em by.

U.S. Rockets Swarm.  Sinlge central motor eject, and that is an RMS
delay epoxied into the top of a zero.

Just Jerry

Is this tech yet?

Quote:

> Here are a few of my ideas.

> 1.  Orbital Transport "JATO" mod - just glue some engine blocks
>      into those outboard BT-5's, add some nose weight to compensate,
>      and watch that baby say WHOOSH.  You DID build that glider out
>      of plywood and epoxy, right?

> 2.  Outboard motors for that big Saturn 1B.  God Hisself intended that
>      beauty to fly on 8 motors, didn't your momma teach you nothin?

> 3.  Ditto for the Saturn V, for those of you folks who didn't build it with
>      5 x 18mm's in the first place (again as God intended).  Just glue up
>      some BT-5's in there and plug 'em in.

> 4.  Retro rockets for that Mars Lander.  Rig up an IR proximity sensor
>      in the base, so that landing is cushioned Soyuz-style.  Might want to
>      fly this one over wet grass only, though.

> How about you folks?

--
Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA

Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
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101 uses for an A10-PT

Post by RayDunak » Fri, 05 Sep 2003 12:06:54


<< Now that the A10-PT's are out there >>

So they've stopped making A10-0's, but now they're making them plugged
instead?? What's the point of that?? You can do all the same things with a
booster motor that you can with a plugged motor, but you can't use a plugged
motor as a booster.

 
 
 

101 uses for an A10-PT

Post by Doug Sam » Fri, 05 Sep 2003 12:32:45


<snip of ideas 1-4>

Quote:
> How about you folks?

#5. Drill out the plugs and make
    A10-0T's out of them :)

#6. http://home.flash.net/~samily/newpics/Jordo3.html

Doug

--
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101 uses for an A10-PT

Post by BB » Fri, 05 Sep 2003 12:50:52


Quote:

> << Now that the A10-PT's are out there >>

> So they've stopped making A10-0's, but now they're making them plugged
> instead?? What's the point of that?? You can do all the same things with a
> booster motor that you can with a plugged motor, but you can't use a plugged
> motor as a booster.

See #5 on Doug Sam's post!
 
 
 

101 uses for an A10-PT

Post by tim » Fri, 05 Sep 2003 13:04:52


Quote:

> << Now that the A10-PT's are out there >>

> So they've stopped making A10-0's, but now they're making them plugged
> instead?? What's the point of that?? You can do all the same things with a
> booster motor that you can with a plugged motor, but you can't use a plugged
> motor as a booster.

You can't use the A10-0 in place of plugged motors unless you want them
to eject themselves and/or burn the rocket.  All Estes booster motors
blow burning propellant and expanding gases out the front end of the
motor unless you plug them.

The options are to violate the code and plug them yourself, or buy
factory plugged motors...which can be converted to A10-0's as others
have mentioned.  :)

 
 
 

101 uses for an A10-PT

Post by RayDunak » Sat, 06 Sep 2003 02:24:12


<< You can't use the A10-0 in place of plugged motors>>

It's very simple to plug them, and very safe too.

<<The options are to violate the code and plug them yourself, or buy factory
plugged motors...which can be converted to A10-0's as others have mentioned. >>

So putting a little epoxy in the end of a booster motor to plug it is
"violating the code", but digging around in the motor with a sharp instrument
to scrape out the clay plug is ok??  This is just plain stupid. There is no
risk at all in plugging a booster, but scraping out the clay from a plugged
motor certainly seems risky to me.

 
 
 

101 uses for an A10-PT

Post by Doug Sam » Sat, 06 Sep 2003 03:24:24


Quote:

> So putting a little epoxy in the end of a booster motor to plug it is
> "violating the code", but digging around in the motor with a sharp instrument
> to scrape out the clay plug is ok??  

No, Ray, this is against the code, too, and for the reason you state: it
is obviously risky.  As for adding a plug, that's not really risky, but
they had to draw a line somewhere as far as what constitutes modifying
the motor.  And I'd say adding a plug is definitely modifying it, benign
thought it be, it is still modifying it.  Now, if the manufacturer had
an approved plugging method ala Semroc, then it'd be OK.

Doug

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101 uses for an A10-PT

Post by Bob Kapl » Sat, 06 Sep 2003 03:40:06


Quote:

> Now that the A10-PT's are out there, I've been fixating on coming up
> with innovative uses for these little things (i.e., excuses to explain to my
> wife why I had to buy that whole damn carton of 'em at Wally-World).
> Just like Cheetos or Slim Jims, I just can't pass 'em by.

Happy Meals (or at least smaller food containers), CD rockets, and other
oddball stuff.

Haven't seen them yet at Wally. How much per pack?

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101 uses for an A10-PT

Post by Bob Kapl » Sat, 06 Sep 2003 03:40:58


Quote:

> << Now that the A10-PT's are out there >>

> So they've stopped making A10-0's, but now they're making them plugged
> instead?? What's the point of that?? You can do all the same things with a
> booster motor that you can with a plugged motor, but you can't use a plugged
> motor as a booster.

Their stupid rocket cars don't need no ejection charge. It's gonna be fun
when someone uses them in the PRK on a nice dry grassy field...

        Bob Kaplow      NAR # 18L       TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD"
                >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<
Kaplow Klips & Baffle:      http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf
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101 uses for an A10-PT

Post by Bob Kapl » Sat, 06 Sep 2003 03:42:18


Quote:

> #5. Drill out the plugs and make
>     A10-0T's out of them :)

Right idea, wrong words. Do NOT "DRILL" them out. Chip out the clay with
a sharp stick.

        Bob Kaplow      NAR # 18L       TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD"
                >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<
Kaplow Klips & Baffle:      http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf
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101 uses for an A10-PT

Post by John Stei » Sat, 06 Sep 2003 04:43:00



Quote:


> > Now that the A10-PT's are out there, I've been fixating on coming up
> > with innovative uses for these little things (i.e., excuses to explain
to my
> > wife why I had to buy that whole damn carton of 'em at Wally-World).
> > Just like Cheetos or Slim Jims, I just can't pass 'em by.

> Happy Meals (or at least smaller food containers), CD rockets, and other
> oddball stuff.

> Haven't seen them yet at Wally. How much per pack?

> Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD"

$4.97 for a pack of four.  They have the rocket cars in stock, too.  Runs
down a string line with a parachute "Grabber" near the end.  Kids will think
they are fun for about two minutes.  "Now what should we do with these
motors?"

John

--
John Stein  KC4RLL
NAR 74335 Sr L2
President - SEARS 572
http://www.sears572.com

 
 
 

101 uses for an A10-PT

Post by Jason To » Sat, 06 Sep 2003 05:04:14


Quote:
> The options are to violate the code and plug them yourself, or buy
> factory plugged motors...which can be converted to A10-0's as others
> have mentioned.  :)

I don't see why plugging a booster motor with a coupla drops of epoxy
is violating the safety code? I would think that unplugging the
plugged motors is much worse than plugging unplugged motors!

Jason

 
 
 

101 uses for an A10-PT

Post by Fred Shecte » Sat, 06 Sep 2003 04:59:12


That would violate the Estes rocket car safety code.

And what a code it is.

IT IS PRINTED VERY LARGE.

VERY LARGE.

They still require a permit from the AHJ and the permission of the property owner. We cannot use them at club launches since the NAR insurance does not cover activities relating to the rocket cars and our use permit for the park requires insurance and specially worded insurance certificates. And it's rocky/bumpy ground covered with a dry stubble of weeds, so it would violate the rocket car safety code.

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Quote:


> > << Now that the A10-PT's are out there >>

> > So they've stopped making A10-0's, but now they're making them plugged
> > instead?? What's the point of that?? You can do all the same things with a
> > booster motor that you can with a plugged motor, but you can't use a plugged
> > motor as a booster.

> Their stupid rocket cars don't need no ejection charge. It's gonna be fun
> when someone uses them in the PRK on a nice dry grassy field...

> Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD"
> >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<
> Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf
>     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org

>  Save Model Rocketry from the HSA!   http://www.space-rockets.com/congress.html

 
 
 

101 uses for an A10-PT

Post by tim » Sat, 06 Sep 2003 05:40:02


Quote:

> << You can't use the A10-0 in place of plugged motors>>

> It's very simple to plug them, and very safe too.

> <<The options are to violate the code and plug them yourself, or buy factory
> plugged motors...which can be converted to A10-0's as others have mentioned. >>

> So putting a little epoxy in the end of a booster motor to plug it is
> "violating the code", but digging around in the motor with a sharp instrument
> to scrape out the clay plug is ok??  This is just plain stupid. There is no
> risk at all in plugging a booster, but scraping out the clay from a plugged
> motor certainly seems risky to me.

Didn't mean it to look like one was ok and the other not.  According to
the code both are prohibited.

According to common sense and personal experience, both work great.