NSL: What is it, exactly?

NSL: What is it, exactly?

Post by Alan W. Holm » Fri, 09 May 1997 04:00:00



I was sort of hoping to attend the NYPower NAR/TRA launch in Geneseo
over the July 4th weekend (my folks live up that way, and it'd be a
good combo trip).  Now that the NSL has been moved to join it, I'm
more likely to go.  However, I'm curious. . .

What is NSL?   (jokesters please note:  I know it stands for National
Sport Launch)  I gather this is an official annual NAR event (true?).
Is this bunches and bunches of NAR folks flying A-D stuff?  Is it NAR
folks flying LMR?  HPR?  All of the above?  Does it draw 50 people?
100?  250?  a zillion?

Personally I fly 1/4A thru G motors, and am always interested in
flying with other folks.   This sounds like it could be a really fun
time.  I'd like to find out more before I commit to vacation time from
work (and decide whether I should make a motel reservation early!).

Who can fill me in?

Alan Holmes   (NAR #69515)

 
 
 

NSL: What is it, exactly?

Post by Buzz McDermot » Sat, 10 May 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

> I was sort of hoping to attend the NYPower NAR/TRA launch in Geneseo
> over the July 4th weekend (my folks live up that way, and it'd be a
> good combo trip).  Now that the NSL has been moved to join it, I'm
> more likely to go.  However, I'm curious. . .

> What is NSL?   (jokesters please note:  I know it stands for National
> Sport Launch)  I gather this is an official annual NAR event (true?).
> Is this bunches and bunches of NAR folks flying A-D stuff?  Is it NAR
> folks flying LMR?  HPR?  All of the above?  Does it draw 50 people?
> 100?  250?  a zillion?

> Personally I fly 1/4A thru G motors, and am always interested in
> flying with other folks.   This sounds like it could be a really fun
> time.  I'd like to find out more before I commit to vacation time from
> work (and decide whether I should make a motel reservation early!).

The NSL is an annual, national SPORT launch sanctioned by the NAR,
versus the annual COMPETITION launch they also sanction each year.

The NSL has been an on-again, off-again event for the NAR for a number
of years. Since 1994 it has been held as a separate, annual event. In
many ways, the NSL can be thought of as a 'mini LDRS', but the two
events have very different flavors. LDRS is almost (but not completely)
high power and tends to push the upper end of consumer rocketry (ie: big
projects and M/N/O flights). NSL tends to include model rocketry and HPR
equally, with HPR emphasis mostly (but not completely) on low to
mid-range HPR (ie: Level 1 and Level 2 - up to L motors). I would
anticipate M flights at the NYPOWER/NSL event in July.

NSL attendance has varied, but in Dallas (NSL 94) we had 190 or so
registered flyers, with about 100 HPR flyers and about 30 participants
from 18 other states. I would hope/expect that NYPOWER/NSL would break
that count considerably. By all accounts Genesseo is an excellent site
and supports M level activity. This should bring in some east coast HPR
flyers.

This year's NSL in New York looks to be an event that would satify any
rocketeers interests, whether you fly MR, LMR, HPR, or all three.

Buzz McDermott
Dallas, Texas
NAR 13559  TRA 1785  L2

 
 
 

NSL: What is it, exactly?

Post by RocketW » Thu, 15 May 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
Holmes) writes:
> I'd like to find out more before I commit to vacation time from
>work (and decide whether I should make a motel reservation early!).

Yes. Get your reservation ASAP. The motel of choice is the:

Days Inn
Lakeville Rd
Geneseo, NY
(716) 243-0500

and there is 50 rooms blocked for us. There are other motels around if the
Day's Inn get's booked.

Also to note: There are a lot of things to do "vacation" wise. Geneseo is
in central New York's Finger Lakes region. It's close to Letchworth State
Park (has camping but not sure if they booked yet), Darien Lake Amu***t
Park, A drag car race strip, there will be a fire works display I believe
near by on the 4th. Niagara Falls is maybe 2-2 1/2 hours away. Cooperstown
& the Baseball Hall of Fame is a few hour East... I could go on & on...
but suffice to say there's a lot you could do to spend the rest of a
week's vacation in New York.

Douglas Caskey
http://www.FoundCollection.com/

 
 
 

NSL: What is it, exactly?

Post by RocketW » Thu, 15 May 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
Holmes) writes:
>What is NSL?   (jokesters please note:  I know it stands for National
>Sport Launch)  I gather this is an official annual NAR event (true?).
>Is this bunches and bunches of NAR folks flying A-D stuff?  Is it NAR
>folks flying LMR?  HPR?  All of the above?  Does it draw 50 people?
>100?  250?  a zillion?

Alan,

As a co-chair of the Tripoli Western New York hosting NYPower I guess I
can fill you in, and maybe catch somethings Buzz didn't mention.  

 Originally the MARS section along with some of us in Buffalo (who along
with being TWNY members are members of NAR section that is in limbo( a
limbo being a topic of alt-rocket-politics)  wanted to host the  97 NSL...
but being that the National Sport Launch is normally held Memorial Day
weekend, and that in New York May weather is not great - we wanted a July
4th date. I guess it made more sense to give the NSL to the DARS section.

 Not daunted we decided that we would hold a launch anyway - a joint
NAR/TRA launch  and decided on the name NYPower International - since
we're close to Canada we expect the launch to actually be "international".
 Basically what we planned on is a launch of upto 300 flyers - we're not
sure how much adding the NSL will change that number?? If more show up I
guess we make a quick trip to Kinko's!

 You can expect:

- To see flights from 1/2A up to K, possibly L&M. Expect "midpower" G-I
flights to be the average.

- I'm not sure on exact figures - but there will be like 16 low-mid (1/8"-
1/4") power and 16 mid-highpower (1/4" - 1/2") pads, and an away cell
(tower).

- We have many vendors lined up so motors and all sorts of goodies will be
available.

- Parking on site.

- Porta potties will be on site.

- We're working on a food vendor now so hopefully that will happen.

- Gold Passes for volunteers to handle:
 SETUP/LCO/RSO/PAD/PARK/REGISTER/GARBAGE/TEAR DOWN.

Gold Passes will entitle one to:
 1)Go to the head of the line so to speak.
 2)Chances at volunteer's raffles only.

- We are also pioneering WLCO. One of our TWNY members Ray Halm has setup
a (legal) FM transmitter for the LCO at the rangehead. Bring your walkman
cause you will be able to pick up our background music along with the LCO
announcing all the flights! So when you're out retrieving your rockets you
will be able to hear the LCO loud & clear, and will be able to keep a
heads up all the time.

- RC radios WILL be impounded!!!! Can't emphasize that enough... Pratt
systems will be used so please don't bring any RC toys to the site. I
beleive Doug Pratt will be setting up the impound.

- Stringent RSO checks and the "RSO Top 10 Quick List".   NAR & TRA safety
codes will be adhered to - as well as our joint MARS/TWNY Site Regulations
and LCO, RSO, & Pad Manager protocols.  

- NAR/TRA certified motors only. Sorry folks - no experimental stuff here.

- Flights below 8000' -  the waiver is only 8000', although there is no
weight limit.

- Raffles... did I mention the raffles? Yes we have many items donated
from many dealers and we will be raffling prizes.  I also hear that we are
to recieve items for the NSL that the DARS section obtained - thanks to
DARS for your efforts and the dealers that supported them.

What NOT to expect:

- No camping on the field.

- No ***ic beverages on the field.

- No smoking in the Prep/Range/Flight/ areas.

Our motto is: Fly Safe and Have Fun. :)

If I have missed anything check out the NYPower webpage for more info:

http://www.FoundCollection.com/

Douglas Caskey
http://www.FoundCollection.com/

 
 
 

NSL: What is it, exactly?

Post by RocketW » Thu, 15 May 1997 04:00:00


Dan,

Quote:
>So I'm guessing a turnout of 100-150 flyers.
>Which should make it big enough to have lots of activity and a good
>variety of flights, but not so big to cause long lines and delays

We've planned NYPower  from the start for  300 flyers... whether we get
many is probably not going to happen, but we will be at least prepared for
that. But keep in mind that not only will the be NAR members, there will
be just as many TRA members.

Quote:
>There MAY be vendors on site.  I heard Zeppelin is interested in coming.

We have many vendors coming... I'm not going to say for sure exactly who
will be there, but we currently have 4 motor vendors I can think of.
Zeppelin could be one. ;)

Quote:
>Also, the NAR usually tries to have a membership meeting or at the very
>least, an unofficial "town meeting" one evening.

Yes. The (town) meeting will be on Sat night in the Day's Inn. Not sure of
the time yet.

Douglas Caskey
http://members.aol.com/RocketWeb/RocketWeb.htm

 
 
 

NSL: What is it, exactly?

Post by Bob Kapl » Thu, 15 May 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

> - Stringent RSO checks and the "RSO Top 10 Quick List".   NAR & TRA safety

Can you post this list. Sounds like it's something that RSOs everywhere
could use.

Quote:
> - Flights below 8000' -  the waiver is only 8000', although there is no
> weight limit.

What does this translate to in AGL?

        Bob Kaplow      NAR # 18L       TRA # "Abort, Retry, Fail?"

 
 
 

NSL: What is it, exactly?

Post by John DeMa » Fri, 16 May 1997 04:00:00


Quote:


> > - Flights below 8000' -  the waiver is only 8000', although there is no
> > weight limit.

> What does this translate to in AGL?

   The Geneseo waivers are 8000 ft AGL.  The field is at about 600 ft
AMSL.
The minimum dimension of the field (between occupied buildings) is a
little
over 4000ft, giving the limit of 8000ft according to the safety code.
But, the field has useable recovery area over a mile square!
   For a map of the Geneseo, NY launch site, see:
     http://web.syr.edu/~smdemar/GENMAPS.HTM

  -John DeMar
  NAR 52094, MARS 136
  http://web.syr.edu/~smdemar

 
 
 

NSL: What is it, exactly?

Post by RocketW » Sun, 18 May 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

>>Can you post this list. Sounds like it's something that RSOs everywhere

could use.<<

Would you like the Pad manager quicklist? The LCO protocol? And the
Flightcard manager's Protocol as well?

Here's the lastest rev of the RSO list - it's now a "top 15 list"
checklist for the RSO's. We figured we would also post a larger sign with
the list so flyers waiting in line can view the list  - maybe to remind
them of something they might hve forgotten.

 1. Has Flyer paid range fee?    <- basically we're just checking if the
flyer has paid
 2. Flyer has R/C frquency pin if needed?
 3. Is Motor(s) certified?
 4. Will the rocket stay under the FAA (8000') waiver?
 5. Flyer has correct level of certification (if required)?
 6. Motor(s) firmly retained?
 7. Delay right for this particular motor & rocket?
 8. Proper amount of ejection charge in the motor(s)?  <-add LES charges
too
 9. Do(es) the motor(s) have enough thrust to lift rocket (LWR >4)?
10. Are ignitor(s) suitable?
11. Is Rocket aerodynamicaly stable?
12. Previous damage - such as a cracked airframe and/or fin(s)?
13. Is shock cord & parachute attachment strong enough?
14. Is nose cone and/or payload section snug enough? Too tight?
15. Launch lugs - glued securely and appropriate size?

That's the list for the average rocket.

What follows are specific checks for other "complex" projects...

Radio Control Checklist:
1. Flyer have frequency control pin?
2. Frequency 27,50,53,72 mhz? (65 is not permitted)
3. Can system be disarmed until ready for flight?

Altimeter Checklist:
1. Can system be disarmed until ready for flight?
2. Altimeter properly wired for chute deployemt? If appliacble.
3. Can altimeter be started up with ejection charges isolated?
4. Battery(ies) fresh & firmly secured?
5. Proper number of beeps or LED's?
6 Main chute compartment secure enough so that it doesn't deploy at
apogee? (dula depolyment only)
7. Altimeter compartment properly vented?
8. Altimeter compartment isolated from ejection charges?

Muliple Motor Checklist
1. Ignitors suitable to light motors in proper sequrence?
2. Will ignitors stay fully inserted in motors during boost?
3. Core motor adequate to safely boost rocket?
4. Spaces between motor tubes and/or unused motor tubes plugged?
5 If all motors don't light, will recovery system still function?

Multistage Checklist:
1. Is each combination of stages stable? <-I'd like to see a CP/CG
printout (VCP?)
2. Does each stage have an adequate recovery system?
3. Are the Stage couplings straight & rigid enough?
4. If using drag separation - do stages separate easily?
5. Delay time for upper stage ignition appropriate?

Cluster/ Airstart / Multistage Electronics Checklist:
1. Can system be disarmed until ready to fly?
2. Elecrtonics properly wired for intended function?
3. Can electronics be started up with ignitors isolated?
4. Are battery(ies) fresh & firmly secured?
5. Proper number of beeps / LED's?
6. Delay periods appropriate?

That's about it for now. It's probably not the perfect set of checks, but
it's a start. I'm sure we will constantly keep re-evaluting the list(s) to
make updates - at least that's why TWNY set up a Range Operations
committee. Most of the work above was compiled (and recompiled) by John
Ritz (a MARS & TWNY member) after many suggestions from TWNY & MARS
members.
Douglas Caskey
http://members.aol.com/RocketWeb/RocketWeb.htm

 
 
 

NSL: What is it, exactly?

Post by The Silent Observe » Sun, 18 May 1997 04:00:00


Quote:


> >>Can you post this list. Sounds like it's something that RSOs everywhere
> could use.<<

> Would you like the Pad manager quicklist? The LCO protocol? And the
> Flightcard manager's Protocol as well?

Well, if your typing fingers aren't tired yet...  B)

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