LOC EZI-65 - I'm Hooked

LOC EZI-65 - I'm Hooked

Post by Ji » Mon, 17 Dec 2001 08:06:39



I flew my first mid-power rocket today - a LOC Legacy (anti-zippered)
on a F50-9 - I'm hooked! Now on to my level 1 cert and a few questions
(By the way - Thank you Les and Mark at Tri-City Skybusters for
putting up with my questions!)

I purchased a LOC EZI-65. The standard motor mount is 54mm. I would
like to certify Level 1 with this rocket. Should I build it 29mm (I
could use a H128) or should I build it 38mm (I could use a H123) -
both would be fairly low flights. The reason for the question is that
I would like to buy reloadable motor hardware and for now I would like
to purchase just one kit. Which would offers the most flexibility in
the future? A 29-180 or a 38-240?

Thank You

Jim

 
 
 

LOC EZI-65 - I'm Hooked

Post by Todd Moo » Mon, 17 Dec 2001 12:05:47


Quote:

> I purchased a LOC EZI-65. The standard motor mount is 54mm. I would
> like to certify Level 1 with this rocket. Should I build it 29mm (I
> could use a H128) or should I build it 38mm (I could use a H123) -
> both would be fairly low flights.

Build it with the 54mm, and use adapters to size down for 29 and 38mm.
 In the long run, you would regret building the rocket with a small
motor mount.

Todd Moore

 
 
 

LOC EZI-65 - I'm Hooked

Post by KC » Fri, 21 Dec 2001 07:06:05



Quote:
> I flew my first mid-power rocket today - a LOC Legacy
(anti-zippered)
> on a F50-9 - I'm hooked! Now on to my level 1 cert and a few
questions
> (By the way - Thank you Les and Mark at Tri-City Skybusters for
> putting up with my questions!)

Congrats!

Quote:
> I purchased a LOC EZI-65. The standard motor mount is 54mm. I
would
> like to certify Level 1 with this rocket. Should I build it
29mm (I
> could use a H128) or should I build it 38mm (I could use a
H123) -
> both would be fairly low flights. The reason for the question
is that
> I would like to buy reloadable motor hardware and for now I
would like
> to purchase just one kit. Which would offers the most
flexibility in
> the future? A 29-180 or a 38-240?
> Thank You
> Jim

Jim-
I would build it with the stock 54mm mount as later down the road
you may want to use a 54mm motor.  Loc sells adapters for just a
few dollars, a 54mm-to-29mm and a 54mm-to-38mm.

As for whether a 29 or 38 would be best--I think you'll
eventually need both.  However to start with I recommend a AT or
Dr Rocket 29mm system.  The system with 3 cases can be had for
about 100 bucks.  With that system you can fly many different
loads.  The EZI-65 flies plenty high on a H180 or H220.  Then as
you progress, go for the 38mm set.  And remember, you need to
walk before you run...

Good luck with your L1 cert.
KC

 
 
 

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Post by Davi » Fri, 21 Dec 2001 08:55:30


I'd offer a different opinion.  Stay with the 54mm in the rocket, of course,
and buy a 54/38 adapter.  I have the 29mm set, and almost never use it.  Buy
the $100 38mm special from Magnum.  It's the same price, and gets you a nice
H size all the way up to I211 which is one sweet motor.  Also, all you need
to do is buy another case (re-use the closures and seal), and you get I284,
and another case and J350.  360NS is the biggest 29mm you can get, and I've
never found anyone who sells that case by itself- you have to buy the whole
motor.  Also, people have said that Aerotech plans to resume production with
38mm first.

-- David

Quote:



> > I flew my first mid-power rocket today - a LOC Legacy
> (anti-zippered)
> > on a F50-9 - I'm hooked! Now on to my level 1 cert and a few
> questions
> > (By the way - Thank you Les and Mark at Tri-City Skybusters for
> > putting up with my questions!)

> Congrats!

> > I purchased a LOC EZI-65. The standard motor mount is 54mm. I
> would
> > like to certify Level 1 with this rocket. Should I build it
> 29mm (I
> > could use a H128) or should I build it 38mm (I could use a
> H123) -
> > both would be fairly low flights. The reason for the question
> is that
> > I would like to buy reloadable motor hardware and for now I
> would like
> > to purchase just one kit. Which would offers the most
> flexibility in
> > the future? A 29-180 or a 38-240?
> > Thank You
> > Jim

> Jim-
> I would build it with the stock 54mm mount as later down the road
> you may want to use a 54mm motor.  Loc sells adapters for just a
> few dollars, a 54mm-to-29mm and a 54mm-to-38mm.

> As for whether a 29 or 38 would be best--I think you'll
> eventually need both.  However to start with I recommend a AT or
> Dr Rocket 29mm system.  The system with 3 cases can be had for
> about 100 bucks.  With that system you can fly many different
> loads.  The EZI-65 flies plenty high on a H180 or H220.  Then as
> you progress, go for the 38mm set.  And remember, you need to
> walk before you run...

> Good luck with your L1 cert.
> KC

 
 
 

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Post by koko » Fri, 21 Dec 2001 15:22:44


Quote:
> As for whether a 29 or 38 would be best--I think you'll
> eventually need both.  However to start with I recommend a AT or
> Dr Rocket 29mm system.  The system with 3 cases can be had for
> about 100 bucks.  With that system you can fly many different
> loads.  The EZI-65 flies plenty high on a H180 or H220.  Then as
> you progress, go for the 38mm set.  And remember, you need to
> walk before you run...

And keep your fingers crossed that any of these reload kits will ever become
available again.

FWIW, I built my 4" rocket with a 38mm mount and like the way it flies with
38/480 power.  My 480 case has only been used twice.  I hope its not
obsolete now.

 
 
 

LOC EZI-65 - I'm Hooked

Post by Ji » Fri, 21 Dec 2001 19:34:00


Thank you for your responses - I think I will go 38mm with the MMA4 adapter. Now...

How about Pro38 vs. Aerotech?

Quote:

> I flew my first mid-power rocket today - a LOC Legacy (anti-zippered)
> on a F50-9 - I'm hooked! Now on to my level 1 cert and a few questions
> (By the way - Thank you Les and Mark at Tri-City Skybusters for
> putting up with my questions!)

> I purchased a LOC EZI-65. The standard motor mount is 54mm. I would
> like to certify Level 1 with this rocket. Should I build it 29mm (I
> could use a H128) or should I build it 38mm (I could use a H123) -
> both would be fairly low flights. The reason for the question is that
> I would like to buy reloadable motor hardware and for now I would like
> to purchase just one kit. Which would offers the most flexibility in
> the future? A 29-180 or a 38-240?

> Thank You

> Jim

 
 
 

LOC EZI-65 - I'm Hooked

Post by Kurt Kesle » Fri, 21 Dec 2001 23:26:52




Quote:
> I flew my first mid-power rocket today - a LOC Legacy (anti-zippered)
> on a F50-9 - I'm hooked! Now on to my level 1 cert and a few questions
> (By the way - Thank you Les and Mark at Tri-City Skybusters for
> putting up with my questions!)

> I purchased a LOC EZI-65. The standard motor mount is 54mm. I would
> like to certify Level 1 with this rocket. Should I build it 29mm (I
> could use a H128) or should I build it 38mm (I could use a H123) -
> both would be fairly low flights. The reason for the question is that
> I would like to buy reloadable motor hardware and for now I would like
> to purchase just one kit. Which would offers the most flexibility in
> the future? A 29-180 or a 38-240?

> Thank You

> Jim

A couple of considerations.

1. Built stock there are only a few possible reloads you could use from
AT in the 54mm.  Any of these will either send a stock, single
deployment EZI to the moon or break into little pieces.  That said an
EZI on a J90 is a very nice flight so it depends on the size of your
field.

2. If you go with 38mm you will have to modify the fins so they will
reach the motor mount.

I would build it stock, use adapters, and get the 38mm hardware.

--
Kurt Kesler
Hmmmm....EZI-65

 
 
 

LOC EZI-65 - I'm Hooked

Post by John Stei » Sat, 22 Dec 2001 04:07:34


Quote:

>Thank you for your responses - I think I will go 38mm with the MMA4
adapter. Now...

>How about Pro38 vs. Aerotech?

I enjoyed my first Pro 38 at our last club launch, and it was in my EZI-
65, too.  Very nice flight.  I love the adjustable delay...ten seconds was
just about right.  I also enjoy J570 flights with the EZI reaching just shy
of one mile...5,087 feet as measured with a Missile Works RRC2 Altimeter
also doing dual deployment duties.  Of course it was out of sight...but
still a fantastic flight.  Pro 38's are in production and available from
motor vendors.  Aerotech is hoping for production to resume in the spring of
2002.  I asked Santa for Pro 38 hardware and motors for Christmas, but I
don't think she called Ross at Magnum :-(

My EZI-65 is stretched 11 inches for an altimeter bay, fiberglassed and
weighs around five pounds without motor.  It has also been rebuilt using the
fin can area...and for added strength I used two paper tubes from Sam's
Choice plastic wrap, very thick and strong, but I am now limited to 38 mm
motors.

So there you have it.  I rambled on and you still have to decide for
yourself :-)

Happy Holidays

John

--
John Stein   KC4RLL
NAR 74335 SR L2
President, SEARS 572

 
 
 

LOC EZI-65 - I'm Hooked

Post by Ji » Sat, 22 Dec 2001 07:29:05


John-

No problem on the rambling - I enjoyed your post and thank you for the
information. I have learned more from people just talking about their
rockets than anything else.

Thank You

Quote:


> >Thank you for your responses - I think I will go 38mm with the MMA4
>  adapter. Now...

> >How about Pro38 vs. Aerotech?

> I enjoyed my first Pro 38 at our last club launch, and it was in my EZI-
> 65, too.  Very nice flight.  I love the adjustable delay...ten seconds was
> just about right.  I also enjoy J570 flights with the EZI reaching just shy
> of one mile...5,087 feet as measured with a Missile Works RRC2 Altimeter
> also doing dual deployment duties.  Of course it was out of sight...but
> still a fantastic flight.  Pro 38's are in production and available from
> motor vendors.  Aerotech is hoping for production to resume in the spring of
> 2002.  I asked Santa for Pro 38 hardware and motors for Christmas, but I
> don't think she called Ross at Magnum :-(

> My EZI-65 is stretched 11 inches for an altimeter bay, fiberglassed and
> weighs around five pounds without motor.  It has also been rebuilt using the
> fin can area...and for added strength I used two paper tubes from Sam's
> Choice plastic wrap, very thick and strong, but I am now limited to 38 mm
> motors.

> So there you have it.  I rambled on and you still have to decide for
> yourself :-)

> Happy Holidays

> John

 
 
 

LOC EZI-65 - I'm Hooked

Post by Ji » Sat, 22 Dec 2001 07:31:17


Kurt,

Thank you for your advice. I'm going to build it stock and use the
38mm MMA4 LOC adapter.

Thanks again

Jim

Quote:



> > I flew my first mid-power rocket today - a LOC Legacy (anti-zippered)
> > on a F50-9 - I'm hooked! Now on to my level 1 cert and a few questions
> > (By the way - Thank you Les and Mark at Tri-City Skybusters for
> > putting up with my questions!)

> > I purchased a LOC EZI-65. The standard motor mount is 54mm. I would
> > like to certify Level 1 with this rocket. Should I build it 29mm (I
> > could use a H128) or should I build it 38mm (I could use a H123) -
> > both would be fairly low flights. The reason for the question is that
> > I would like to buy reloadable motor hardware and for now I would like
> > to purchase just one kit. Which would offers the most flexibility in
> > the future? A 29-180 or a 38-240?

> > Thank You

> > Jim

> A couple of considerations.

> 1. Built stock there are only a few possible reloads you could use from
> AT in the 54mm.  Any of these will either send a stock, single
> deployment EZI to the moon or break into little pieces.  That said an
> EZI on a J90 is a very nice flight so it depends on the size of your
> field.

> 2. If you go with 38mm you will have to modify the fins so they will
> reach the motor mount.

> I would build it stock, use adapters, and get the 38mm hardware.

 
 
 

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Post by Ji » Sat, 22 Dec 2001 07:38:19


And just a follow up questions if I could.....

I purchased the MMA4 LOC adapter to go from 54mm to 38mm. The adapter
consists of a 10" 38mm tube, two centering rings and a tube that is
about 6" long. It looks like the proper way to use the adapter would
be to use the two centering rings to mount the tube in the sleeve.
After this is set up, you insert the sleeve into the stock 54mm mount.
Sounds OK, but when looking at the assembly from the ....er (opposite
of Aft - Top - whatever - I have so much to learn), I notice that the
inner 38mm tube is spaced an even 1/8" inch from the sides of the
stock tube since the sleeve is a bit shorter. Is this OK? Should I use
another slightly larger centering ring to firmly mount the top of the
adapter to the stock tube? A picture would be worth a thousand words
here.

Thanks again

Quote:

> I flew my first mid-power rocket today - a LOC Legacy (anti-zippered)
> on a F50-9 - I'm hooked! Now on to my level 1 cert and a few questions
> (By the way - Thank you Les and Mark at Tri-City Skybusters for
> putting up with my questions!)

> I purchased a LOC EZI-65. The standard motor mount is 54mm. I would
> like to certify Level 1 with this rocket. Should I build it 29mm (I
> could use a H128) or should I build it 38mm (I could use a H123) -
> both would be fairly low flights. The reason for the question is that
> I would like to buy reloadable motor hardware and for now I would like
> to purchase just one kit. Which would offers the most flexibility in
> the future? A 29-180 or a 38-240?

> Thank You

> Jim

 
 
 

LOC EZI-65 - I'm Hooked

Post by Tom Binfor » Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:29:28



Quote:
> And just a follow up questions if I could.....

> I purchased the MMA4 LOC adapter to go from 54mm to 38mm. The adapter
> consists of a 10" 38mm tube, two centering rings and a tube that is
> about 6" long. It looks like the proper way to use the adapter would
> be to use the two centering rings to mount the tube in the sleeve.
> After this is set up, you insert the sleeve into the stock 54mm mount.
> Sounds OK, but when looking at the assembly from the ....er (opposite
> of Aft - Top - whatever - I have so much to learn), I notice that the
> inner 38mm tube is spaced an even 1/8" inch from the sides of the
> stock tube since the sleeve is a bit shorter. Is this OK? Should I use
> another slightly larger centering ring to firmly mount the top of the
> adapter to the stock tube? A picture would be worth a thousand words
> here.

Space the centering rings so they are about 1/8" in from the ends of the
larger tube. The back of the larger tube should be about 1/2" from the end
of the 38 mm tube. A short piece of 54 mm tube is probably included. Epoxy
this flush with the rear end of the larger (coupler) tube to act as a thrust
ring. If this short piece is not included, use masking tape to make a thrust
ring.

Crappy ASCII art follows...
           -------------------------------------------

Quote:
>>>toward nose

             ||                                              ||
    **************************************************************

    **************************************************************
             ||                                              ||
          --------------------------------------------

----- = sleeve tube,    || = centering rings,    *** = 38 mm tube

Fillet all the joints between the rings and tubes.

Tom

Quote:

> Thanks again




Quote:
> > I flew my first mid-power rocket today - a LOC Legacy (anti-zippered)
> > on a F50-9 - I'm hooked! Now on to my level 1 cert and a few questions
> > (By the way - Thank you Les and Mark at Tri-City Skybusters for
> > putting up with my questions!)

> > I purchased a LOC EZI-65. The standard motor mount is 54mm. I would
> > like to certify Level 1 with this rocket. Should I build it 29mm (I
> > could use a H128) or should I build it 38mm (I could use a H123) -
> > both would be fairly low flights. The reason for the question is that
> > I would like to buy reloadable motor hardware and for now I would like
> > to purchase just one kit. Which would offers the most flexibility in
> > the future? A 29-180 or a 38-240?

> > Thank You

> > Jim

 
 
 

LOC EZI-65 - I'm Hooked

Post by Ji » Sat, 22 Dec 2001 19:57:58


Thank you for your "crappy" ASCII art - it was not so "crappy" and
very helpful. Thank you again!

Jim

Quote:



> > And just a follow up questions if I could.....

> > I purchased the MMA4 LOC adapter to go from 54mm to 38mm. The adapter
> > consists of a 10" 38mm tube, two centering rings and a tube that is
> > about 6" long. It looks like the proper way to use the adapter would
> > be to use the two centering rings to mount the tube in the sleeve.
> > After this is set up, you insert the sleeve into the stock 54mm mount.
> > Sounds OK, but when looking at the assembly from the ....er (opposite
> > of Aft - Top - whatever - I have so much to learn), I notice that the
> > inner 38mm tube is spaced an even 1/8" inch from the sides of the
> > stock tube since the sleeve is a bit shorter. Is this OK? Should I use
> > another slightly larger centering ring to firmly mount the top of the
> > adapter to the stock tube? A picture would be worth a thousand words
> > here.

> Space the centering rings so they are about 1/8" in from the ends of the
> larger tube. The back of the larger tube should be about 1/2" from the end
> of the 38 mm tube. A short piece of 54 mm tube is probably included. Epoxy
> this flush with the rear end of the larger (coupler) tube to act as a thrust
> ring. If this short piece is not included, use masking tape to make a thrust
> ring.

> Crappy ASCII art follows...
>            -------------------------------------------
> >>>toward nose
>              ||                                              ||
>     **************************************************************

>     **************************************************************
>              ||                                              ||
>           --------------------------------------------

> ----- = sleeve tube,    || = centering rings,    *** = 38 mm tube

> Fillet all the joints between the rings and tubes.

> Tom

 
 
 

LOC EZI-65 - I'm Hooked

Post by Tom Binfor » Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:25:32



Quote:
> Thank you for your "crappy" ASCII art - it was not so "crappy" and
> very helpful. Thank you again!

You're welcome.  You never know how it comes out on someone else's computer.
If you were using Outlook Express, it probably came out pretty good.

Tom

Quote:

> Jim




Quote:


> > > And just a follow up questions if I could.....

> > > I purchased the MMA4 LOC adapter to go from 54mm to 38mm. The adapter
> > > consists of a 10" 38mm tube, two centering rings and a tube that is
> > > about 6" long. It looks like the proper way to use the adapter would
> > > be to use the two centering rings to mount the tube in the sleeve.
> > > After this is set up, you insert the sleeve into the stock 54mm mount.
> > > Sounds OK, but when looking at the assembly from the ....er (opposite
> > > of Aft - Top - whatever - I have so much to learn), I notice that the
> > > inner 38mm tube is spaced an even 1/8" inch from the sides of the
> > > stock tube since the sleeve is a bit shorter. Is this OK? Should I use
> > > another slightly larger centering ring to firmly mount the top of the
> > > adapter to the stock tube? A picture would be worth a thousand words
> > > here.

> > Space the centering rings so they are about 1/8" in from the ends of the
> > larger tube. The back of the larger tube should be about 1/2" from the
end
> > of the 38 mm tube. A short piece of 54 mm tube is probably included.
Epoxy
> > this flush with the rear end of the larger (coupler) tube to act as a
thrust
> > ring. If this short piece is not included, use masking tape to make a
thrust
> > ring.

> > Crappy ASCII art follows...
> >            -------------------------------------------
> > >>>toward nose
> >              ||                                              ||
> >     **************************************************************

> >     **************************************************************
> >              ||                                              ||
> >           --------------------------------------------

> > ----- = sleeve tube,    || = centering rings,    *** = 38 mm tube

> > Fillet all the joints between the rings and tubes.

> > Tom