Chicago Tribune story: "U.S. to put brakes on toy rockets"

Chicago Tribune story: "U.S. to put brakes on toy rockets"

Post by Bob Kapl » Tue, 13 May 2003 08:50:44



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U.S. to put brakes on toy rockets

Hobbyists who launch the most powerful rockets are upset because they will
be limited by government rules aimed at preventing terrorism

By Amy E. Nevala Tribune staff reporter

May 11, 2003

A new federal law intended to keep explosives out of the hands of terrorists
has set off a flurry of protest from model rocket hobbyists, who fear being
treated as potential criminals because of restrictions on the propellant
used in the rocket engines.

Hobbyists wishing to launch the most powerful rockets will need a permit and
will be subject to fingerprinting, background checks and interviews with
federal agents.

"Model rocket enthusiasts across the country and even across the ocean are
very worried," said U.S. Sen. Mike Enzi (R-Wyo.) in a written statement.
Enzi introduced a bill in March that would make the hobbyists exempt from
the requirements.

The new provisions apply to dozens of explosives, including ammonium
perchlorate composite propellant, the same propellant used to fuel boosters
that launch NASA's space shuttles.

For decades, Scouting troops, science classes and back-yard rocket
enthusiasts have launched the models using small but powerful amounts of
that propellant. Boy Scouts, for example, build and launch a model rocket to
earn the Space Exploration Merit Badge.

When the law goes into effect May 24, anyone who buys or sells a rocket
motor that contains more than 62.5 grams of the propellant--common among the
largest model rockets--will need a federal permit.

United Parcel Service and the Burlington National Santa Fe Railway already
have stopped shipping rocket motors because they want to avoid subjecting
employees to federal background checks, spokesmen for the companies said.

The law will not apply to people who buy smaller rocket engines that use
less fuel. Even so, Ken Herrick, who has been launching rockets for 40
years, said the law will have a chilling effect.

"It's a hobby, for heaven's sake, a toy we play with," said Herrick, 48, of
Melrose Park, a salesman at Al's Hobby Shop in Elmhurst. "It's going to put
an undue burden on a lot of us."

Fear of lost business

Tim Lehr, who owns the hobby shop, said he anticipates the requirements will
hurt his business as more people turn to remote-controlled cars or other
hobbies not under government scrutiny. He said he may cut back on stocking
model rockets.

"It won't kill me, but I'll be losing that section of business," Lehr said.
"With the federal government as paranoid as it is right now, it may be just
what I have to do."

The U.S. Bureau of ***, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives defended the
law as part of the government's crackdown on materials that could be used by
terrorists.

However, an ATF spokesman declined to specify how the propellant could be
used for terrorism.

Though the highest-flying model rockets can reach 8,000 to 10,000 feet--high
enough to reach some airplanes--the likelihood of a model rocket being used
as a terrorist weapon is extremely small, said Paul Yarnold, a research
professor of medicine at Northwestern University who has been an amateur
rocketeer for 30 years.

"To hit a target like an airplane using a model rocket that is not guided is
completely unrealistic," Yarnold said.

The greater fear seems to be that the engines could be bought in bulk and
the propellant used as an explosive. For that reason, even with the federal
permit a person would be limited to six purchases a year and the permit must
be renewed annually.

When model rockets first became popular in the early 1960s, as the United
States raced the Soviet Union into space, hobbyists concocted
often-dangerous mixtures of black powder, propane and nitroglycerin for
power. Eventually, the hobby turned to ammonium perchlorate composite
propellant, which is more stable.

"This is by far the safest alternative," said Robert Bigelow, 48, owner of
Friends' Hobby in Waukegan, who began building rockets as a Cub Scout.

The propellant generally is not sold by itself but rather as part of a
complete rocket motor. It comes in a hard cylinder that, when ignited, burns
quickly in a rocket's enclosed tube, creating heat and pressure that push
the rocket skyward.

The most common rockets, which can reach a few hundred feet, contain 10 to
25 grams of the fuel.

Most hobbyists not affected

The ATF estimates that about 90 percent of the hobbyists use small motors
and will not be subject to the new rules. About 10 percent buy larger rocket
motors that contain more than 62.5 grams of propellant, said the agency's
spokesman, Andrew Lluberes.

Model rockets come in many shapes and sizes, from 3-inch-long varieties that
require just a few grams of fuel to 6-foot-long powerhouses with names like
"Mean Machine."

The largest--slender rockets resembling broomsticks that can use more than
2,500 grams of fuel--may soar as high as 10,000 feet, said Boy Scout leader
Randy Culp of New Berlin, Wis., who helps kids earn their Space Exploration
Merit Badges.

"If the regulation says up to 62.5 grams, then we'll have no problem making
sure our Scouts get their badges," Culp said. "But then you're going to lose
the kids who want to go on to larger rockets."

The new regulations are spelled out in the Safe Explosives Act, which is
part of the Homeland Security Act. The ATF will conduct background checks
and issue permits. The application process for an explosives permit takes
about 90 days, Lluberes said.

Not everyone will get a permit, Lluberes said. Among those who would be
refused are felons, foreigners without legal resident status and people
committed to a mental institution, he said.

Applicants must pay $25 and submit photographs, he said.

Enzi said his bill has been referred to the Senate Judiciary Committee.

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Chicago Tribune story: "U.S. to put brakes on toy rockets"

Post by RayDunak » Tue, 13 May 2003 10:59:23


Is there an email address for sending letters to the editor? I couldn't find
one.

There are several errors and omissions in the article which should be
corrected. For instance, it describes APCP as an explosive; it repeats the
ATF's claim that "most rocket hobbyists will be unaffected"; and it doesn't
mention the fact that few people can obtain the explosives storage required for
an ATF permit.

The article also claims the "greatest fear" is that the propellent could be
"bought in bulk and used as an explosive." What they've overlooked is the fact
that there is nothing in the ATF regulations preventing someone from buying
TONS of propellent without a permit, as long as they buy it in 62.5g segments.

One unintentionally funny line in the article is when it describes the Estes
Mean Machine as a "six-foot-long powerhouse"!  

 
 
 

Chicago Tribune story: "U.S. to put brakes on toy rockets"

Post by Jerry Irvin » Tue, 13 May 2003 11:25:39



Quote:

> Is there an email address for sending letters to the editor? I couldn't find
> one.

> There are several errors and omissions in the article which should be
> corrected. For instance, it describes APCP as an explosive; it repeats the
> ATF's claim that "most rocket hobbyists will be unaffected"; and it doesn't
> mention the fact that few people can obtain the explosives storage required
> for
> an ATF permit.

> The article also claims the "greatest fear" is that the propellent could be
> "bought in bulk and used as an explosive." What they've overlooked is the
> fact
> that there is nothing in the ATF regulations preventing someone from buying
> TONS of propellent without a permit, as long as they buy it in 62.5g
> segments.

> One unintentionally funny line in the article is when it describes the Estes
> Mean Machine as a "six-foot-long powerhouse"!  

All very good ponts. I offer to suport/concur with your comments.

Jerry

--
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Chicago Tribune story: "U.S. to put brakes on toy rockets"

Post by Observe » Tue, 13 May 2003 15:02:06


Quote:
> Is there an email address for sending letters to the editor? I couldn't find
> one.


fax:
(312)222-2598

snail mail:
Voice of the People
Chicago Tribune
435 N. Michigan Ave.
Chicago, IL  60611

I saw the article today and was going to post a
link to it but Bob beat me. I too thought there
were inaccuracies in it, but at least we
get some exposure in a major paper.

 
 
 

Chicago Tribune story: "U.S. to put brakes on toy rockets"

Post by M Mille » Tue, 13 May 2003 15:01:44


I saw the article today after a family member pointed it out.  Got a chuckle
at the powerhouse line.  I believe the editor can be reached here


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Quote:

> [name johnqpublic password easytoremember]

> U.S. to put brakes on toy rockets

> Hobbyists who launch the most powerful rockets are upset because they will
> be limited by government rules aimed at preventing terrorism

> By Amy E. Nevala Tribune staff reporter

> May 11, 2003

> A new federal law intended to keep explosives out of the hands of
terrorists
> has set off a flurry of protest from model rocket hobbyists, who fear
being
> treated as potential criminals because of restrictions on the propellant
> used in the rocket engines.

> Hobbyists wishing to launch the most powerful rockets will need a permit
and
> will be subject to fingerprinting, background checks and interviews with
> federal agents.

> "Model rocket enthusiasts across the country and even across the ocean are
> very worried," said U.S. Sen. Mike Enzi (R-Wyo.) in a written statement.
> Enzi introduced a bill in March that would make the hobbyists exempt from
> the requirements.

> The new provisions apply to dozens of explosives, including ammonium
> perchlorate composite propellant, the same propellant used to fuel
boosters
> that launch NASA's space shuttles.

> For decades, Scouting troops, science classes and back-yard rocket
> enthusiasts have launched the models using small but powerful amounts of
> that propellant. Boy Scouts, for example, build and launch a model rocket
to
> earn the Space Exploration Merit Badge.

> When the law goes into effect May 24, anyone who buys or sells a rocket
> motor that contains more than 62.5 grams of the propellant--common among
the
> largest model rockets--will need a federal permit.

> United Parcel Service and the Burlington National Santa Fe Railway already
> have stopped shipping rocket motors because they want to avoid subjecting
> employees to federal background checks, spokesmen for the companies said.

> The law will not apply to people who buy smaller rocket engines that use
> less fuel. Even so, Ken Herrick, who has been launching rockets for 40
> years, said the law will have a chilling effect.

> "It's a hobby, for heaven's sake, a toy we play with," said Herrick, 48,
of
> Melrose Park, a salesman at Al's Hobby Shop in Elmhurst. "It's going to
put
> an undue burden on a lot of us."

> Fear of lost business

> Tim Lehr, who owns the hobby shop, said he anticipates the requirements
will
> hurt his business as more people turn to remote-controlled cars or other
> hobbies not under government scrutiny. He said he may cut back on stocking
> model rockets.

> "It won't kill me, but I'll be losing that section of business," Lehr
said.
> "With the federal government as paranoid as it is right now, it may be
just
> what I have to do."

> The U.S. Bureau of ***, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives defended the
> law as part of the government's crackdown on materials that could be used
by
> terrorists.

> However, an ATF spokesman declined to specify how the propellant could be
> used for terrorism.

> Though the highest-flying model rockets can reach 8,000 to 10,000
feet--high
> enough to reach some airplanes--the likelihood of a model rocket being
used
> as a terrorist weapon is extremely small, said Paul Yarnold, a research
> professor of medicine at Northwestern University who has been an amateur
> rocketeer for 30 years.

> "To hit a target like an airplane using a model rocket that is not guided
is
> completely unrealistic," Yarnold said.

> The greater fear seems to be that the engines could be bought in bulk and
> the propellant used as an explosive. For that reason, even with the
federal
> permit a person would be limited to six purchases a year and the permit
must
> be renewed annually.

> When model rockets first became popular in the early 1960s, as the United
> States raced the Soviet Union into space, hobbyists concocted
> often-dangerous mixtures of black powder, propane and nitroglycerin for
> power. Eventually, the hobby turned to ammonium perchlorate composite
> propellant, which is more stable.

> "This is by far the safest alternative," said Robert Bigelow, 48, owner of
> Friends' Hobby in Waukegan, who began building rockets as a Cub Scout.

> The propellant generally is not sold by itself but rather as part of a
> complete rocket motor. It comes in a hard cylinder that, when ignited,
burns
> quickly in a rocket's enclosed tube, creating heat and pressure that push
> the rocket skyward.

> The most common rockets, which can reach a few hundred feet, contain 10 to
> 25 grams of the fuel.

> Most hobbyists not affected

> The ATF estimates that about 90 percent of the hobbyists use small motors
> and will not be subject to the new rules. About 10 percent buy larger
rocket
> motors that contain more than 62.5 grams of propellant, said the agency's
> spokesman, Andrew Lluberes.

> Model rockets come in many shapes and sizes, from 3-inch-long varieties
that
> require just a few grams of fuel to 6-foot-long powerhouses with names
like
> "Mean Machine."

> The largest--slender rockets resembling broomsticks that can use more than
> 2,500 grams of fuel--may soar as high as 10,000 feet, said Boy Scout
leader
> Randy Culp of New Berlin, Wis., who helps kids earn their Space
Exploration
> Merit Badges.

> "If the regulation says up to 62.5 grams, then we'll have no problem
making
> sure our Scouts get their badges," Culp said. "But then you're going to
lose
> the kids who want to go on to larger rockets."

> The new regulations are spelled out in the Safe Explosives Act, which is
> part of the Homeland Security Act. The ATF will conduct background checks
> and issue permits. The application process for an explosives permit takes
> about 90 days, Lluberes said.

> Not everyone will get a permit, Lluberes said. Among those who would be
> refused are felons, foreigners without legal resident status and people
> committed to a mental institution, he said.

> Applicants must pay $25 and submit photographs, he said.

> Enzi said his bill has been referred to the Senate Judiciary Committee.

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Chicago Tribune story: "U.S. to put brakes on toy rockets"

Post by Stephe » Tue, 13 May 2003 20:30:08


My Mean Machine is a power house. Next fall it will fly on a H180.

--
Stephen Corban
NAR# 81338
GYRO# 1
If you build it, they will come
www.geocities.com/ilrocketboy
Tripoli Quad Cities

Quote:
> Is there an email address for sending letters to the editor? I couldn't
find
> one.

> There are several errors and omissions in the article which should be
> corrected. For instance, it describes APCP as an explosive; it repeats the
> ATF's claim that "most rocket hobbyists will be unaffected"; and it
doesn't
> mention the fact that few people can obtain the explosives storage
required for
> an ATF permit.

> The article also claims the "greatest fear" is that the propellent could
be
> "bought in bulk and used as an explosive." What they've overlooked is the
fact
> that there is nothing in the ATF regulations preventing someone from
buying
> TONS of propellent without a permit, as long as they buy it in 62.5g
segments.

> One unintentionally funny line in the article is when it describes the
Estes
> Mean Machine as a "six-foot-long powerhouse"!

 
 
 

Chicago Tribune story: "U.S. to put brakes on toy rockets"

Post by john » Tue, 13 May 2003 23:23:59


I sent a letter to the editor, playing up the summer rocket program I
run for Chicago schoolkids, and that the Tribune sends a reporter to
cover it most years.

I wonder increasingly why ATF wants to spend so much effort regulating a
non-existent threat when thay also claim to be understaffed and
overworked.

Quote:

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> U.S. to put brakes on toy rockets

> Hobbyists who launch the most powerful rockets are upset because they will
> be limited by government rules aimed at preventing terrorism

> By Amy E. Nevala Tribune staff reporter

> May 11, 2003

> A new federal law intended to keep explosives out of the hands of terrorists
> has set off a flurry of protest from model rocket hobbyists, who fear being
> treated as potential criminals because of restrictions on the propellant
> used in the rocket engines.

> Hobbyists wishing to launch the most powerful rockets will need a permit and
> will be subject to fingerprinting, background checks and interviews with
> federal agents.

> "Model rocket enthusiasts across the country and even across the ocean are
> very worried," said U.S. Sen. Mike Enzi (R-Wyo.) in a written statement.
> Enzi introduced a bill in March that would make the hobbyists exempt from
> the requirements.

> The new provisions apply to dozens of explosives, including ammonium
> perchlorate composite propellant, the same propellant used to fuel boosters
> that launch NASA's space shuttles.

> For decades, Scouting troops, science classes and back-yard rocket
> enthusiasts have launched the models using small but powerful amounts of
> that propellant. Boy Scouts, for example, build and launch a model rocket to
> earn the Space Exploration Merit Badge.

> When the law goes into effect May 24, anyone who buys or sells a rocket
> motor that contains more than 62.5 grams of the propellant--common among the
> largest model rockets--will need a federal permit.

> United Parcel Service and the Burlington National Santa Fe Railway already
> have stopped shipping rocket motors because they want to avoid subjecting
> employees to federal background checks, spokesmen for the companies said.

> The law will not apply to people who buy smaller rocket engines that use
> less fuel. Even so, Ken Herrick, who has been launching rockets for 40
> years, said the law will have a chilling effect.

> "It's a hobby, for heaven's sake, a toy we play with," said Herrick, 48, of
> Melrose Park, a salesman at Al's Hobby Shop in Elmhurst. "It's going to put
> an undue burden on a lot of us."

> Fear of lost business

> Tim Lehr, who owns the hobby shop, said he anticipates the requirements will
> hurt his business as more people turn to remote-controlled cars or other
> hobbies not under government scrutiny. He said he may cut back on stocking
> model rockets.

> "It won't kill me, but I'll be losing that section of business," Lehr said.
> "With the federal government as paranoid as it is right now, it may be just
> what I have to do."

> The U.S. Bureau of ***, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives defended the
> law as part of the government's crackdown on materials that could be used by
> terrorists.

> However, an ATF spokesman declined to specify how the propellant could be
> used for terrorism.

> Though the highest-flying model rockets can reach 8,000 to 10,000 feet--high
> enough to reach some airplanes--the likelihood of a model rocket being used
> as a terrorist weapon is extremely small, said Paul Yarnold, a research
> professor of medicine at Northwestern University who has been an amateur
> rocketeer for 30 years.

> "To hit a target like an airplane using a model rocket that is not guided is
> completely unrealistic," Yarnold said.

> The greater fear seems to be that the engines could be bought in bulk and
> the propellant used as an explosive. For that reason, even with the federal
> permit a person would be limited to six purchases a year and the permit must
> be renewed annually.

> When model rockets first became popular in the early 1960s, as the United
> States raced the Soviet Union into space, hobbyists concocted
> often-dangerous mixtures of black powder, propane and nitroglycerin for
> power. Eventually, the hobby turned to ammonium perchlorate composite
> propellant, which is more stable.

> "This is by far the safest alternative," said Robert Bigelow, 48, owner of
> Friends' Hobby in Waukegan, who began building rockets as a Cub Scout.

> The propellant generally is not sold by itself but rather as part of a
> complete rocket motor. It comes in a hard cylinder that, when ignited, burns
> quickly in a rocket's enclosed tube, creating heat and pressure that push
> the rocket skyward.

> The most common rockets, which can reach a few hundred feet, contain 10 to
> 25 grams of the fuel.

> Most hobbyists not affected

> The ATF estimates that about 90 percent of the hobbyists use small motors
> and will not be subject to the new rules. About 10 percent buy larger rocket
> motors that contain more than 62.5 grams of propellant, said the agency's
> spokesman, Andrew Lluberes.

> Model rockets come in many shapes and sizes, from 3-inch-long varieties that
> require just a few grams of fuel to 6-foot-long powerhouses with names like
> "Mean Machine."

> The largest--slender rockets resembling broomsticks that can use more than
> 2,500 grams of fuel--may soar as high as 10,000 feet, said Boy Scout leader
> Randy Culp of New Berlin, Wis., who helps kids earn their Space Exploration
> Merit Badges.

> "If the regulation says up to 62.5 grams, then we'll have no problem making
> sure our Scouts get their badges," Culp said. "But then you're going to lose
> the kids who want to go on to larger rockets."

> The new regulations are spelled out in the Safe Explosives Act, which is
> part of the Homeland Security Act. The ATF will conduct background checks
> and issue permits. The application process for an explosives permit takes
> about 90 days, Lluberes said.

> Not everyone will get a permit, Lluberes said. Among those who would be
> refused are felons, foreigners without legal resident status and people
> committed to a mental institution, he said.

> Applicants must pay $25 and submit photographs, he said.

> Enzi said his bill has been referred to the Senate Judiciary Committee.

> Copyright ? 2003, Chicago Tribune

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Chicago Tribune story: "U.S. to put brakes on toy rockets"

Post by Jerry Irvin » Tue, 13 May 2003 23:25:12



Quote:

> My Mean Machine is a power house. Next fall it will fly on a H180.

I find it to be a "six-foot long powerhouse" with D12-0 to D12-5 or E9-4.

Jerry

Quote:

> --
> Stephen Corban
> NAR# 81338
> GYRO# 1
> If you build it, they will come
> www.geocities.com/ilrocketboy
> Tripoli Quad Cities


> > Is there an email address for sending letters to the editor? I couldn't
> find
> > one.

> > There are several errors and omissions in the article which should be
> > corrected. For instance, it describes APCP as an explosive; it repeats the
> > ATF's claim that "most rocket hobbyists will be unaffected"; and it
> doesn't
> > mention the fact that few people can obtain the explosives storage
> required for
> > an ATF permit.

> > The article also claims the "greatest fear" is that the propellent could
> be
> > "bought in bulk and used as an explosive." What they've overlooked is the
> fact
> > that there is nothing in the ATF regulations preventing someone from
> buying
> > TONS of propellent without a permit, as long as they buy it in 62.5g
> segments.

> > One unintentionally funny line in the article is when it describes the
> Estes
> > Mean Machine as a "six-foot-long powerhouse"!

--
Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA

Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
Produce then publish.  http://www.usrockets.com
 
 
 

Chicago Tribune story: "U.S. to put brakes on toy rockets"

Post by George Bal » Tue, 13 May 2003 23:40:11


Quote:

> > My Mean Machine is a power house. Next fall it will fly on a H180.

> I find it to be a "six-foot long powerhouse" with D12-0 to D12-5 or E9-4.

My Mean Machine is a 2X 12-foot long powerhouse, that flew on a J275.....

George

 
 
 

Chicago Tribune story: "U.S. to put brakes on toy rockets"

Post by Jerry Irvin » Tue, 13 May 2003 23:33:46


Quote:

> I sent a letter to the editor, playing up the summer rocket program I
> run for Chicago schoolkids, and that the Tribune sends a reporter to
> cover it most years.

> I wonder increasingly why ATF wants to spend so much effort regulating a
> non-existent threat when thay also claim to be understaffed and
> overworked.

They are trying to justify budget increases by "adopting" threats.  Even
non-threats as they have long since run out of actual threats.

DOT did the same thing by declaring a bunch of stuff as hazardous that
simply has chemical charactristics but has never been a significant
problem in commerce or transportation.

jerry

--
Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA

Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
Produce then publish.  http://www.usrockets.com

 
 
 

Chicago Tribune story: "U.S. to put brakes on toy rockets"

Post by Jerry Irvin » Wed, 14 May 2003 00:22:48




Quote:

> > > My Mean Machine is a power house. Next fall it will fly on a H180.

> > I find it to be a "six-foot long powerhouse" with D12-0 to D12-5 or E9-4.

> My Mean Machine is a 2X 12-foot long powerhouse, that flew on a J275.....

> George

We have an abundance of 3.16" OD tubes suitable for 2x Mean Machine
construction and 38mm seems like the prime mount for that.

Jerry

--
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Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
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Chicago Tribune story: "U.S. to put brakes on toy rockets"

Post by Bob Kapl » Wed, 14 May 2003 02:29:21


Quote:

> Is there an email address for sending letters to the editor? I couldn't find
> one.

They used to list email addresses for most columnists and general letters,
but I couldn't find it yesterday. I did use their "contact us" web page.
I'll see if the get back to me. meanwhile I'll contact a couple eople
mentioned in hte article and see if they can put me in touch with the
reporter.

Quote:
> There are several errors and omissions in the article which should be
> corrected. For instance, it describes APCP as an explosive; it repeats the
> ATF's claim that "most rocket hobbyists will be unaffected"; and it doesn't
> mention the fact that few people can obtain the explosives storage required for
> an ATF permit.

I have a plan, which I won't disuuss in public, or with any one I don't know
personally. Ray, drop me an email...

Quote:
> The article also claims the "greatest fear" is that the propellent could be
> "bought in bulk and used as an explosive." What they've overlooked is the fact
> that there is nothing in the ATF regulations preventing someone from buying
> TONS of propellent without a permit, as long as they buy it in 62.5g segments.

I'll refer them to AWM's story from NH...

Quote:
> One unintentionally funny line in the article is when it describes the Estes
> Mean Machine as a "six-foot-long powerhouse"!  

You also didn't see the photo from the article. While I'm sure it was taken
with a telephoto that shortens depth perception, it looked like they were
launching the rocket from their laps.

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Chicago Tribune story: "U.S. to put brakes on toy rockets"

Post by Doug Sam » Wed, 14 May 2003 03:46:19


Quote:

> I have a plan, which I won't disuuss in public,
> or with any one I don't know personally. Ray,
> drop me an email...

Bob,

In this new, "enlightened" era, making a request such
as that will surely be construed as an act of *** :)

Oh, I better keep quiet lest I become a co-conspirator...

Doug
Just finished reading*** Reavis' book about Waco and now
I wouldn't put anything past the the ATF OR the FBI....

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Chicago Tribune story: "U.S. to put brakes on toy rockets"

Post by Doug Sam » Wed, 14 May 2003 03:47:51


Quote:

> I'll refer them to AWM's story from NH...

AWM???  Link?

Thx,
Doug

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Chicago Tribune story: "U.S. to put brakes on toy rockets"

Post by David Weinshenke » Wed, 14 May 2003 05:15:05


Quote:


> > I'll refer them to AWM's story from NH...
> AWM???  Link?

Paul Robinson (Animal Motor Works, formerly Kosdon East)
went to the state police in New Hampshire and asked to
apply for a "state explosives permit" for the HPR propellant
he makes. He presented a sample, of his "most energetic" formula
(as requested), and after trying valiantly to determine its
Explosive Hazard, they finally concluded that there _wasn't_
one. (Among other things, they wrapped a piece of det-cord
around a large propellant grain. The explosion of the cord merely
chopped the grain in half. A blasting cap blew it into small
pieces. Bullets made holes in it. They built a fire under it...
the propellant just caught fire and burned up just fine.)

-dave w