Acquiring a potential new rocket recovery device!

Acquiring a potential new rocket recovery device!

Post by Hilty Information Syste » Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:11:48



This is OT, but you guys would be the first I'd turn to to ask this
question...

<g>

A bit of background first..

Apparently, we're going to be "adoptive parents" of a Golden
Retriever/(somesortofa) Spaniel mix.  The dog is 9 months old, and is
"well versed" in the operation of an Invisible Fence.  The current
owner is giving me the Invisible Fence controller thingy, and offered
the wire that's in the ground too.  After examining the controller
thingy, hookup looks pretty straightforward.  I'm electing to buy a
new spool of wire, as our lot is roughly 4 times the size of their's,
and I'm sure the wire would be in bad shape after ripping it out of
the ground, anyway.

Primary question:  The wire "looks" to be standard 12GA stranded
copper, but the insulation is kinda throwing me.  It really looks like
teflon (like plenum network wire insulation), but I'm not sure.  The
labeling on the wire was completely non-descriptive, and Invisible
Fence's website was less than informative.

Has anybody out there in RMRland put one of these things in?  What
kind of wire am I looking at?

Oh yeah... How deep?

Thanks all, and again, I apologize for the OT post... Promise I'll be
better in the future!

<vbg>

tah

Tod A. Hilty  NAR #72099
Hilty Information Systems

Member MTMA, NAR Section #606  

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Acquiring a potential new rocket recovery device!

Post by Tom Brekk » Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:06:45


It is probably rated underground insulation... Unless it is shielded or a
twisted pair it doesn't sound like anything special.  You might just take it
to your nearest electrical supplier and have them tell you if it is anything
other then UG wire.

Tom Brekke



Quote:
> This is OT, but you guys would be the first I'd turn to to ask this
> question...

> <g>

> A bit of background first..

> Apparently, we're going to be "adoptive parents" of a Golden
> Retriever/(somesortofa) Spaniel mix.  The dog is 9 months old, and is
> "well versed" in the operation of an Invisible Fence.  The current
> owner is giving me the Invisible Fence controller thingy, and offered
> the wire that's in the ground too.  After examining the controller
> thingy, hookup looks pretty straightforward.  I'm electing to buy a
> new spool of wire, as our lot is roughly 4 times the size of their's,
> and I'm sure the wire would be in bad shape after ripping it out of
> the ground, anyway.

> Primary question:  The wire "looks" to be standard 12GA stranded
> copper, but the insulation is kinda throwing me.  It really looks like
> teflon (like plenum network wire insulation), but I'm not sure.  The
> labeling on the wire was completely non-descriptive, and Invisible
> Fence's website was less than informative.

> Has anybody out there in RMRland put one of these things in?  What
> kind of wire am I looking at?

> Oh yeah... How deep?

> Thanks all, and again, I apologize for the OT post... Promise I'll be
> better in the future!

> <vbg>

> tah

> Tod A. Hilty  NAR #72099
> Hilty Information Systems

> Member MTMA, NAR Section #606

> Mantua Township Missile Agency
> http://web.raex.com/~markndeb/rockets/mtma/

> "I'm going to put the wheels of the bus back on... just in case"
>    - BlankReg, Max Headroom: 20 Minutes Into the Future

> "I speak for myself _and_ my corporation!  Deal with it!"
>    - blankreg

>    - remove nospam.ever, and replace with apk for reply


 
 
 

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Post by B. Bestro » Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:08:29


My neighbor tried his owned had many problem.  Cut under ground sprinkling
and such.  Neighbor on the other side his dog does a circle and bolts
through to visit us.  Of course then the dog does not want to go back
through to get the shock.  Good luck which ever way you chose.
Bryan



Quote:
> This is OT, but you guys would be the first I'd turn to to ask this
> question...

> <g>

> A bit of background first..

> Apparently, we're going to be "adoptive parents" of a Golden
> Retriever/(somesortofa) Spaniel mix.  The dog is 9 months old, and is
> "well versed" in the operation of an Invisible Fence.  The current
> owner is giving me the Invisible Fence controller thingy, and offered
> the wire that's in the ground too.  After examining the controller
> thingy, hookup looks pretty straightforward.  I'm electing to buy a
> new spool of wire, as our lot is roughly 4 times the size of their's,
> and I'm sure the wire would be in bad shape after ripping it out of
> the ground, anyway.

> Primary question:  The wire "looks" to be standard 12GA stranded
> copper, but the insulation is kinda throwing me.  It really looks like
> teflon (like plenum network wire insulation), but I'm not sure.  The
> labeling on the wire was completely non-descriptive, and Invisible
> Fence's website was less than informative.

> Has anybody out there in RMRland put one of these things in?  What
> kind of wire am I looking at?

> Oh yeah... How deep?

> Thanks all, and again, I apologize for the OT post... Promise I'll be
> better in the future!

> <vbg>

> tah

> Tod A. Hilty  NAR #72099
> Hilty Information Systems

> Member MTMA, NAR Section #606

> Mantua Township Missile Agency
> http://web.raex.com/~markndeb/rockets/mtma/

> "I'm going to put the wheels of the bus back on... just in case"
>    - BlankReg, Max Headroom: 20 Minutes Into the Future

> "I speak for myself _and_ my corporation!  Deal with it!"
>    - blankreg

>    - remove nospam.ever, and replace with apk for reply

 
 
 

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Post by Jim Z in V » Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:56:40


    Hi Tod. We have an Invisible Fence at our house. It worked well with our
previous dog (the late "Fox the rocket dog"). The boundry wire is currently
broken (probably under our gravel driveway somewhere)...as soon as the
ground thaws I'll be replacing it for our new dog. The wire is nothing
special......the two 500' spools I just bought are about 18g stranded
copper. Burying it 2 or 3 inches deep is what my instructions say....just
make a cut in the lawn with a shovel and tuck the wire in. (where ours
passes through the woods I just layed it on the ground, and a year or two of
falling leaves made it dissapear).
    All the info on installing it should be on the Radio Fence or Invisible
Fence websites. If you're running it under a dirt driveway, try running it
in a piece of PVC elecrical conduit. That's my plan this time (3 broken
wires there in 3 years). Good luck!
--
Jim Z in Vermont

(to reply by e-mail, remove the polite decline from my address)



Quote:
> This is OT, but you guys would be the first I'd turn to to ask this
> question...

> <g>

> A bit of background first..

> Apparently, we're going to be "adoptive parents" of a Golden
> Retriever/(somesortofa) Spaniel mix.  The dog is 9 months old, and is
> "well versed" in the operation of an Invisible Fence.  The current
> owner is giving me the Invisible Fence controller thingy, and offered
> the wire that's in the ground too.  After examining the controller
> thingy, hookup looks pretty straightforward.  I'm electing to buy a
> new spool of wire, as our lot is roughly 4 times the size of their's,
> and I'm sure the wire would be in bad shape after ripping it out of
> the ground, anyway.

> Primary question:  The wire "looks" to be standard 12GA stranded
> copper, but the insulation is kinda throwing me.  It really looks like
> teflon (like plenum network wire insulation), but I'm not sure.  The
> labeling on the wire was completely non-descriptive, and Invisible
> Fence's website was less than informative.

> Has anybody out there in RMRland put one of these things in?  What
> kind of wire am I looking at?

> Oh yeah... How deep?

> Thanks all, and again, I apologize for the OT post... Promise I'll be
> better in the future!

> <vbg>

> tah

> Tod A. Hilty  NAR #72099
> Hilty Information Systems

> Member MTMA, NAR Section #606

> Mantua Township Missile Agency
> http://web.raex.com/~markndeb/rockets/mtma/

> "I'm going to put the wheels of the bus back on... just in case"
>    - BlankReg, Max Headroom: 20 Minutes Into the Future

> "I speak for myself _and_ my corporation!  Deal with it!"
>    - blankreg

>    - remove nospam.ever, and replace with apk for reply

 
 
 

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Post by Gene Costanz » Thu, 22 Feb 2001 12:09:32


Quote:

> Thanks all, and again, I apologize for the OT post... Promise I'll be
> better in the future!

<rant>

Better than them ridiculous political bu11$hit posts we get otherwise.

<IF NOT like, START ki$$ingmya$$>

Far as I'm concerned, regular contributors should be able to OT a
non-related tech q here and there. This is a technical forum, with or
without the other bu11$hit.

</rant>
</ki$$ingmya$$>

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Post by Dave Johnsto » Thu, 22 Feb 2001 12:15:33


[snip]

What

Quote:
>kind of wire am I looking at?
>Tod A. Hilty

It sure sounds like tracing wire used to run along with plastic gas lines. To locate a gas line a current is set up in the wire and
a  locator is used to mark the line with flags or paint.
I am guessing in my best Taifu.
Dave Johnston
 
 
 

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Post by Dave V » Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:57:28


Hi Tod,

I installed about 1500 ft of wire for my Radio Fence.  Any decent 14 - 16
gauge stranded copper wire should work fine.

I do recommend burying it though, as I have had problems with the wild
rodents nibbling on it; 2-3 inches deep is fine.  If you're going to bury
more than one spool, then I also recommend looking into renting a small
trencher (Ditch Witch); after trying a shovel, gas-powered edger and a crow
bar - all with dismal results - this beast rolled right thru the job in
about an hour.

Also - remember that a radio fence is 90% psychological - the dog has to
dislike the (ahem...) "correction" enough to stay inside the boundary, so
training is key.

Good luck, and enjoy your new recovery device!

Dave V.
(Remove the "S P A M" trap before sending direct replies)

 
 
 

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Post by Christopher Dee » Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:21:19




Quote:
> This is OT, but you guys would be the first I'd turn to to ask this
> question...

> <g>

> A bit of background first..

> Apparently, we're going to be "adoptive parents" of a Golden
> Retriever/(somesortofa) Spaniel mix.  The dog is 9 months old, and is
> "well versed" in the operation of an Invisible Fence.  The current
> owner is giving me the Invisible Fence controller thingy, and offered
> the wire that's in the ground too.  After examining the controller
> thingy, hookup looks pretty straightforward.  I'm electing to buy a
> new spool of wire, as our lot is roughly 4 times the size of their's,
> and I'm sure the wire would be in bad shape after ripping it out of
> the ground, anyway.

> Primary question:  The wire "looks" to be standard 12GA stranded
> copper, but the insulation is kinda throwing me.  It really looks like
> teflon (like plenum network wire insulation), but I'm not sure.  The
> labeling on the wire was completely non-descriptive, and Invisible
> Fence's website was less than informative.

> Has anybody out there in RMRland put one of these things in?  What
> kind of wire am I looking at?

> Oh yeah... How deep?

> Thanks all, and again, I apologize for the OT post... Promise I'll be
> better in the future!

> <vbg>

> tah

> Tod A. Hilty  NAR #72099
> Hilty Information Systems

> Member MTMA, NAR Section #606

> Mantua Township Missile Agency
> http://web.raex.com/~markndeb/rockets/mtma/

> "I'm going to put the wheels of the bus back on... just in case"
>    - BlankReg, Max Headroom: 20 Minutes Into the Future

> "I speak for myself _and_ my corporation!  Deal with it!"
>    - blankreg

>    - remove nospam.ever, and replace with apk for reply

                                                                   .
.                                                                    I
really hate to be the one to bring this up Tod, but, well. you know,  I mean
I don't want to say this. But, well,er hem. oh, heck.  Have you considered,
look, I don't want this to get out that I suggested this, ok? Have you
thought about having one of your kids (to save you the embarrassment)
contacting the manufacturer? I know this is not the R.M.R, way of doing
things, but I would hate to see something bad happen to the dog.  A friend
of mine, yeah, that's right a friend, not me or a close relative, has one of
these system. I could contact him (he lives in Ohio) and see if we can get
you some information. In a plain brown envelop[e of course. Just don't let
anyone know I had a hand in this, ok?
.
.
Christopher Brian Deem (or maybe someonelse)
 
 
 

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Post by mrtrito » Fri, 23 Feb 2001 08:39:30


Tod,
 How about just putting up signs? Then all you need to do is teach the dog
to read. Might be easier than burying all that wire!  :^)
       Mark

--
 Mark  Doty

  Tripoli Rocketry Association #1977 Level II
  Buffalo Rocket Society  #069
  National Association of Rocketry #50950 Level II

  Metallica Club Member #40505
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  "You would be fascinated if you could comprehend even two percent of my
  knowledge."



Quote:
> This is OT, but you guys would be the first I'd turn to to ask this
> question...

> <g>

> A bit of background first..

> Apparently, we're going to be "adoptive parents" of a Golden
> Retriever/(somesortofa) Spaniel mix.  The dog is 9 months old, and is
> "well versed" in the operation of an Invisible Fence.  The current
> owner is giving me the Invisible Fence controller thingy, and offered
> the wire that's in the ground too.  After examining the controller
> thingy, hookup looks pretty straightforward.  I'm electing to buy a
> new spool of wire, as our lot is roughly 4 times the size of their's,
> and I'm sure the wire would be in bad shape after ripping it out of
> the ground, anyway.

> Primary question:  The wire "looks" to be standard 12GA stranded
> copper, but the insulation is kinda throwing me.  It really looks like
> teflon (like plenum network wire insulation), but I'm not sure.  The
> labeling on the wire was completely non-descriptive, and Invisible
> Fence's website was less than informative.

> Has anybody out there in RMRland put one of these things in?  What
> kind of wire am I looking at?

> Oh yeah... How deep?

> Thanks all, and again, I apologize for the OT post... Promise I'll be
> better in the future!

> <vbg>

> tah

> Tod A. Hilty  NAR #72099
> Hilty Information Systems

> Member MTMA, NAR Section #606

> Mantua Township Missile Agency
> http://web.raex.com/~markndeb/rockets/mtma/

> "I'm going to put the wheels of the bus back on... just in case"
>    - BlankReg, Max Headroom: 20 Minutes Into the Future

> "I speak for myself _and_ my corporation!  Deal with it!"
>    - blankreg

>    - remove nospam.ever, and replace with apk for reply

 
 
 

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Post by ben romash » Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:04:08


Todd- we installed one, be prepared for some work.  We used a
landscaping edger to "dig" a trench, and had to follow up with a
shovel to open it up a bit.  The wire is buried i believe 3-4 inches
below ground.  The manufacturor sells rells (500 foot) of the wire,
prolly best to just go with that.  can be twisted with a wire nut
(have to seal welll with silicon) to connect lengths.

Ben Romashko

Quote:



>> This is OT, but you guys would be the first I'd turn to to ask this
>> question...

>> <g>

>> A bit of background first..

>> Apparently, we're going to be "adoptive parents" of a Golden
>> Retriever/(somesortofa) Spaniel mix.  The dog is 9 months old, and is
>> "well versed" in the operation of an Invisible Fence.  The current
>> owner is giving me the Invisible Fence controller thingy, and offered
>> the wire that's in the ground too.  After examining the controller
>> thingy, hookup looks pretty straightforward.  I'm electing to buy a
>> new spool of wire, as our lot is roughly 4 times the size of their's,
>> and I'm sure the wire would be in bad shape after ripping it out of
>> the ground, anyway.

>> Primary question:  The wire "looks" to be standard 12GA stranded
>> copper, but the insulation is kinda throwing me.  It really looks like
>> teflon (like plenum network wire insulation), but I'm not sure.  The
>> labeling on the wire was completely non-descriptive, and Invisible
>> Fence's website was less than informative.

>> Has anybody out there in RMRland put one of these things in?  What
>> kind of wire am I looking at?

>> Oh yeah... How deep?

>> Thanks all, and again, I apologize for the OT post... Promise I'll be
>> better in the future!

>> <vbg>

>> tah

>> Tod A. Hilty  NAR #72099
>> Hilty Information Systems

>> Member MTMA, NAR Section #606

>> Mantua Township Missile Agency
>> http://web.raex.com/~markndeb/rockets/mtma/

>> "I'm going to put the wheels of the bus back on... just in case"
>>    - BlankReg, Max Headroom: 20 Minutes Into the Future

>> "I speak for myself _and_ my corporation!  Deal with it!"
>>    - blankreg

>>    - remove nospam.ever, and replace with apk for reply
>                                                                   .
>.                                                                    

 
 
 

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Post by Bob Kapl » Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:19:01



Quote:
>     All the info on installing it should be on the Radio Fence or Invisible
> Fence websites. If you're running it under a dirt driveway, try running it
> in a piece of PVC elecrical conduit. That's my plan this time (3 broken
> wires there in 3 years). Good luck!

If you know where the wire is run, and can find a place to borrow a TDR, it
would give you the distance along the conductor to the break. Do it from
either end and you should be able to fid where to dig to fix.

Or am I the only rocketeer who ever used a TDR (not for rocketry)?

        Bob Kaplow      NAR # 18L       TRA # "Ctrl-Alt-Del"

Kaplow Klips & Baffle:      http://www.nira.chicago.il.us/Leading_Edge/MayJun00.pdf
NIRA:   http://www.nira.chicago.il.us  NAR:    http://www.nar.org

Quote:
>>> NOTE: My domain name has changed from decus.org to encompasserve.org! <<<

 
 
 

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Post by Mario Perdu » Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:32:22



Quote:

>Or am I the only rocketeer who ever used a TDR (not for rocketry)?

I've never used a TDR for 'model' rocketry, but I used to use one from
time to time looking for broken cables leading to Minuteman silos.

Mario Perdue
NAR #22012 Sr. L2

http://www.indyrockets.org

"X-ray-Delta-One, this is Mission Control, two-one-five-six, transmission concluded."

 
 
 

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Post by Gene Costanz » Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:30:59


I'll tell ya, Bob. It's a good thing we have you 'round, ya know? What
would do without all that experience, heh?

:-)>

--

METRA   BOD     TRA #07017 L2   NAR #74503 L2

******************************************************************

There is no armour against Fate;  
  Death lays his icy hand on kings.

 
 
 

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Post by Hilty Information Syste » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 00:44:31


Thanks for the responses everyone!

Luckily, I have a "rental place" just around the corner that has all
manner of digging machinery in various sizes.  I'm going to take a
walk down there today, and see what he's got.

The wire appears to be pretty easy to get, and I'm sure our local
hardware store can help out.

Thanks again!

tah

Tod A. Hilty  NAR #72099
Hilty Information Systems

Member MTMA, NAR Section #606  

Mantua Township Missile Agency
http://web.raex.com/~markndeb/rockets/mtma/

"I'm going to put the wheels of the bus back on... just in case"
   - BlankReg, Max Headroom: 20 Minutes Into the Future

"I speak for myself _and_ my corporation!  Deal with it!"
   - blankreg

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