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New Estes Toys

Post by John Marv » Fri, 27 Aug 1999 04:00:00



I just noticed something "new" (at least it was new to me) in the local
Walmart. Sometimes when I visit the local Walmart I check the toy section
just to see what they are currently stocking in terms of Estes products.
Yesterday I noticed something new. They were selling "catapult" versions
of the Naboo fighter and the Queens Royal Starship. Basically they
were just a plastic ship and an elastic hand launcher.

I couldn't tell for sure, but it looked like the plastic models were
very similar to the RTF rocket versions. I wonder if they are trying
to recoup some of their investment this way, i.e. are they taking
existing RTF rocket overstock and converting them to this new version
of toy? I certainly don't plan to buy one to find out.

John Marvin

NAR 75392 L1

 
 
 

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Post by Stephen DeArma » Fri, 27 Aug 1999 04:00:00


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Quote:
> And because Aerotech has their finger on the pulse of the industry, they
> just announced their new line of composite *** bands that give 2-3 times
> the power!

Just a couple of questions...

1. What delays do they come in?
2. Is there an equivilent of a B14?
3. Are they certified for contests?  
4. Do they carry Pete Alway's new book of "*** Bands of The World"?

Trust No One
Randy

 
 
 

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Post by Peter Kho » Fri, 27 Aug 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

>>Yesterday I noticed something new. They were selling "catapult" versions
>>of the Naboo fighter and the Queens Royal Starship. Basically they
>>were just a plastic ship and an elastic hand launcher.

>    Any word on the total/average impulse of the elastic band?
>    Will we be able to get A-class elastic bands? How might you stage
these?
>(any BATF issues?)
>    What about clustering? Can we launch a Naboo fighter on a cluster of
>three elastic bands?

Well, years ago (ie, 1980 and before) I remember catapult rockets; looks
like your normal 3FNC model rocket complete with parachute, but part of the
fuselage and one fin was hinged with a tension *** band to the nose
section.  You'd pack in the chute and catapult it up; along the way up air
resistance would keep the fuselage hatch close and when that ran out the
hatch would swing open and the chute would deploy.  IRRC, it was made in
Germany (along with other ***-powered model airplanes, etc) and it was
suppose to go up to 75 meters?  Had tons of fun with it where rocket motors
weren't available to us, we'd "cluster" more *** bands, have one chap
hold the launch stick as high as possible as the other chap tries to pull
the rocket to the ground.  Anyways, anyone seen the toy recently?!

Peter Khor

 
 
 

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Post by Paul Smit » Fri, 27 Aug 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

>And because Aerotech has their finger on the pulse of the industry, they
>just announced their new line of composite *** bands that give 2-3 times
>the power!

>They are even beta-testing their new 98mm hybrid *** band for future

use.

    Doesn't Aerotech already have a significant lead on Estes in the field
of "***-for-rocket-propulsion"? That's the kind of corporate planning
that really impresses me!

    A word of warning, though. I had a *** *** band cato this morning.
Post-flight inspection shows that a tear developed in the part of the band
between the fingers, and when it ripped through, it came back and almost put
my eye out. Word is that *** bands will be banned in California shortly
before the next election.

Paul Smith

 
 
 

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Post by John ODonne » Fri, 27 Aug 1999 04:00:00


Quote:


>>    Any word on the total/average impulse of the elastic band?
>>    Will we be able to get A-class elastic bands? How might you stage
>these?
>>(any BATF issues?)
>>    What about clustering? Can we launch a Naboo fighter on a cluster of
>>three elastic bands?

>>    (alternatively: can we catapult the entire product line into the
>ocean?)

>>Paul Smith

>And because Aerotech has their finger on the pulse of the industry, they
>just announced their new line of composite *** bands that give 2-3 times
>the power!

>They are even beta-testing their new 98mm hybrid *** band for future use.

>:-)

>Dan Schneider


Watch out, though.  Anything over 38mm *** bands requires a BATF LEUP (Large
Elastic User's Permit) for use and storage.  They aren't flexible on that at
all, and it's no stretch of the truth to expect them to bend that requirement.

I've also heard that snap-back can be a problem with some of the larger sizes.

John O'Donnell  NAR 60742 Sr. L2  
http://www.FoundCollection.com/
MaxQ Rocketry: http://www.FoundCollection.com/
CSAR home page: http://www.FoundCollection.com/

 
 
 

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Post by Ghos » Fri, 27 Aug 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
>Watch out, though.  Anything over 38mm *** bands requires a BATF LEUP (Large
>Elastic User's Permit) for use and storage.  They aren't flexible on that at
>all, and it's no stretch of the truth to expect them to bend that requirement.

>I've also heard that snap-back can be a problem with some of the larger sizes.

>John O'Donnell  NAR 60742 Sr. L2  
>http://www.FoundCollection.com/
>MaxQ Rocketry: http://www.FoundCollection.com/
>CSAR home page: http://www.FoundCollection.com/

I've managed to get around the snap back problems. I modeled a
launcher after the old fashioned crossbows, and developed a remote
trigger release. You can now stand back a safe distance when releasing
the tension! Also, with the addition of some telemetering, you can
monitor such things as angle of release, actual elastic tenstion, FPS
at point of release. If anyone is interested, I have plans available.
Since I plan on making my fortune here and buying out Estes and
Aerotech in a hostile takeover, plans are now reduced to the bare
minimum over cost... $500,000.00 per set. (I had to pay some fearful
royalties to the descendants of the original crossbow proponents)

John "Can see the money rolling in now"

"Ad astra per aspera"
"A rough road leads to the stars"

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Post by Dan Schneide » Fri, 27 Aug 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

>Just a couple of questions...

>1. What delays do they come in?
>2. Is there an equivilent of a B14?
>3. Are they certified for contests?
>4. Do they carry Pete Alway's new book of "*** Bands of The World"?

>Trust No One
>Randy

1) Infinite
2) Nope. Estes discontinued it before even producing it.
3) Yes. But I say for what.
4) No. But NASA has already started construction of a new Morton Thiokol
*** band launcher for the Space Shuttle. They are doing away with the
SRBs.

Dan Schneider

 
 
 

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Post by Dan Schneide » Fri, 27 Aug 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

>Watch out, though.  Anything over 38mm *** bands requires a BATF LEUP
(Large
>Elastic User's Permit) for use and storage.  They aren't flexible on that
at
>all, and it's no stretch of the truth to expect them to bend that
requirement.
>I've also heard that snap-back can be a problem with some of the larger
sizes.

>John O'Donnell  NAR 60742 Sr. L2
>http://www.FoundCollection.com/
>MaxQ Rocketry: http://www.FoundCollection.com/
>CSAR home page: http://www.FoundCollection.com/

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:-)
Dan Schneider

 
 
 

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Post by Aaron Smit » Fri, 27 Aug 1999 04:00:00


ROFLMAOPIP!!

Quote:



> >>    Any word on the total/average impulse of the elastic band?
> >>    Will we be able to get A-class elastic bands? How might you stage
> >these?
> >>(any BATF issues?)
> >>    What about clustering? Can we launch a Naboo fighter on a cluster of
> >>three elastic bands?

> >>    (alternatively: can we catapult the entire product line into the
> >ocean?)

> >>Paul Smith

> >And because Aerotech has their finger on the pulse of the industry, they
> >just announced their new line of composite *** bands that give 2-3 times
> >the power!

> >They are even beta-testing their new 98mm hybrid *** band for future use.

> >:-)

> >Dan Schneider

> Watch out, though.  Anything over 38mm *** bands requires a BATF LEUP (Large
> Elastic User's Permit) for use and storage.  They aren't flexible on that at
> all, and it's no stretch of the truth to expect them to bend that requirement.

> I've also heard that snap-back can be a problem with some of the larger sizes.

> John O'Donnell  NAR 60742 Sr. L2
> http://www.FoundCollection.com/
> MaxQ Rocketry: http://www.FoundCollection.com/
> CSAR home page: http://www.FoundCollection.com/

--
"The dream of yesterday is the hope of today and the reality of tomorrow"

                                  - Robert Goddard

 
 
 

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Post by Lewis Garro » Sat, 28 Aug 1999 04:00:00


hmmm... and if I show up for a contest event with no. 3 ***bands and the event
calls for No. 4 , but No. 4 bands are out of stock everywhere can I substitute
bungie cord...or is that not allowed in California?
Quote:

> Watch out, though.  Anything over 38mm *** bands requires a BATF LEUP (Large
> Elastic User's Permit) for use and storage.  They aren't flexible on that at
> all, and it's no stretch of the truth to expect them to bend that requirement.

> I've also heard that snap-back can be a problem with some of the larger sizes.

 
 
 

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Post by The Dickinson » Sat, 28 Aug 1999 04:00:00


And I thought the LEUP was for my waistband. :-)

Quote:

>hmmm... and if I show up for a contest event with no. 3 ***bands and the
event
>calls for No. 4 , but No. 4 bands are out of stock everywhere can I
substitute
>bungie cord...or is that not allowed in California?


>> Watch out, though.  Anything over 38mm *** bands requires a BATF LEUP
(Large
>> Elastic User's Permit) for use and storage.  They aren't flexible on that
at
>> all, and it's no stretch of the truth to expect them to bend that
requirement.

>> I've also heard that snap-back can be a problem with some of the larger
sizes.

 
 
 

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Post by Paul Smit » Sat, 28 Aug 1999 23:43:00


Quote:

>I just noticed something "new" (at least it was new to me) in the local
>Walmart. Sometimes when I visit the local Walmart I check the toy section
>just to see what they are currently stocking in terms of Estes products.
>Yesterday I noticed something new. They were selling "catapult" versions
>of the Naboo fighter and the Queens Royal Starship. Basically they
>were just a plastic ship and an elastic hand launcher.

    Any word on the total/average impulse of the elastic band?
    Will we be able to get A-class elastic bands? How might you stage these?
(any BATF issues?)
    What about clustering? Can we launch a Naboo fighter on a cluster of
three elastic bands?

    (alternatively: can we catapult the entire product line into the ocean?)

Paul Smith

 
 
 

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Post by Nick Jo » Thu, 02 Sep 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
>hmmm... and if I show up for a contest event with no. 3 ***bands and the
>event
>calls for No. 4 , but No. 4 bands are out of stock everywhere can I substitute
>bungie cord...or is that not allowed in California?

No absolutely NOT!
Making your own propellants is illegal and irresponsible.

Use your mothers old knickers elastic like everyone else.
--
Nick Joy
Hampshire, England.
http://www.FoundCollection.com/

 
 
 

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Post by Paul Smit » Thu, 02 Sep 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

>No absolutely NOT!
>Making your own propellants is illegal and irresponsible.

>Use your mothers old knickers elastic like everyone else.

    Well, sometimes you have to make your own, when the commercially
available product is so shoddy. I bought an Aerotech E15-7W *** band
motor, and it failed to even budge my light rocket. The engine was a small,
red band, about 1/2" in diameter (which strangely enough came packaged with
some kind of large smelly black tube with a nozzle on one end). I loaded the
band on my Broadsword, which should have done over 1000' feet according to
the simulation. But when I launched it, it didn't even move. Well, that's
the last time I buy Aerotech elastic motors!

Paul Smith