Grissom's Liberty Bell 7 Mercury Capsule FOUND!!!

Grissom's Liberty Bell 7 Mercury Capsule FOUND!!!

Post by GCGassaw » Mon, 03 May 1999 04:00:00



Got this message from Peter McQuillan, who's been checking into the Discovery
Channel's coverage of an expedition to find and recover Gus Grissom's Liberty
Bell 7 Mercury capsule that sank to the bottom of the Atlantic in 1961.

- George Gassaway

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Just a *** for those that may be interested!,

They have found Guss Grissoms Liberty Bell capsule 3 miles down on the sea

bed, but the un-manned submersible snapped it's tether, and is also on the

seabed now!!.

The recovery crew are returning to base to get another submersible.

http://www.FoundCollection.com/

MAC.

 
 
 

Grissom's Liberty Bell 7 Mercury Capsule FOUND!!!

Post by Jerry Irvi » Mon, 03 May 1999 04:00:00



Quote:

> The recovery crew are returning to base to get another submersible.

So the spacecraft is an attractive nuisance.  Perhaps a large pile of
failed craft will collect there making a really good story for the
grandchildren along the lines of Bermuda Triangle.

Jerry

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Grissom's Liberty Bell 7 Mercury Capsule FOUND!!!

Post by Peter & Sue Riddel » Tue, 04 May 1999 04:00:00


I looked at the Discovery.com site and found the comments over the
exploding-bolt controversy very interesting.  At first blush, the experts
seem to say that it's unlikely that the controversy will ever be solved.  I
think that they are jumping the gun a bit, since the Liberty Bell hasn't
even been recovered yet, only located and photographed.

My own thought is that nobody really wants to conclude the controversy.  Not
that I blame them.  Grissom's heroism is pretty much beyond reproach, except
for the exploding-bolt thing.  If I were one of the experts, I might be
reluctant to be the one to cast Grissom's name into a shadow.  Just my
thoughts on the subject.  You can bet I'll be reading more on this.

Peter 8^)

Quote:
> http://www.discovery.com/exp/libertybell7/libertybell7.html

 
 
 

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Post by Stephen DeArma » Tue, 04 May 1999 04:00:00



snip

  I think it's great that they've found it and are planning on restoring
it for musem display. If things work out, recovery should take place
sometime in the next 30 days. They had a nice photo of it sitting
upright on the bottom of the ocean, in this morning's B'ham News and a
long article about the flight and the man who has been looking for the
capsule.

Something I found strange about it, is that the paper reported Grissom's
widow, is opposed to the recovery. Weird huh? Wonder why?

                          Trust No One,
                              Randy

 
 
 

Grissom's Liberty Bell 7 Mercury Capsule FOUND!!!

Post by Rob Car » Tue, 04 May 1999 04:00:00


...

Quote:
>Something I found strange about it, is that the paper reported Grissom's
>widow, is opposed to the recovery. Weird huh? Wonder why?

Randy,

From what I've seen in the papers, the beef is two-fold.  One, the museum
involved acquired and refurbished the Gemini capsule Grissom flew in (I
forget what mission).  They apparently re-covered it so that it doesn't look
like it's ever been used.  It's no longer the original surface.

The same museum apparently stuck it to the Grissom family a second time by
reneging on some sort of agreement over where that Gemini capsule is
displayed.

That's the official explanation.  I suspect that there is some concern over
what happened with the Mercury capsule.  Did Grissom***up, did a strap
catch a switch, did the system just blow the hatch off?

Personally, I don't care why it sank.

Have you folks ever seen those darn capsules?  My toaster literally has more
computing power.  They had some sort of odometer-like readout device.  They
had those old glowing readout tubes (you know, the ones with wires inside
for each number?  I kid you not).  Anyone willing to put himself in one of
those capsules just to see how it fits is brave in my book - there's no way
in heck anyone who was willing to let himself be strapped into one of those
things on top of a loaded Atlas booster wasn't brave.  Mechanical failure or
poor design would not surprise me.

Rob

PS: I was watching TV when the fire on Apollo 1 was announced.  I don't
remember the program too clearly, just the announcement.  Does anyone know
what day of the week it was and what time it was announced?  I'm just trying
to remember what program they interrupted.

 
 
 

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Post by Mike Wheatston » Tue, 04 May 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

>PS: I was watching TV when the fire on Apollo 1 was announced.  I don't
>remember the program too clearly, just the announcement.  Does anyone know
>what day of the week it was and what time it was announced?  I'm just
trying
>to remember what program they interrupted.

I seem to recall it was a Friday night ,7:00 or 7:30 or so. I think I was
watching "Get Smart".
Things are a little hazy as I think I was 10 at the time.
 
 
 

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Post by Bob Mye » Tue, 04 May 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

>those capsules just to see how it fits is brave in my book - there's no way
>in heck anyone who was willing to let himself be strapped into one of those
>things on top of a loaded Atlas booster wasn't brave.  

Liberty Bell 7 was on a Redstone booster, btw.

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Post by Mark Johnso » Wed, 05 May 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

> From what I've seen in the papers, the beef is two-fold.  One, the museum
> involved acquired and refurbished the Gemini capsule Grissom flew in (I
> forget what mission).  They apparently re-covered it so that it doesn't look
> like it's ever been used.  It's no longer the original surface.

I don't think this is the case...GT-3 is at the Grissom Memorial in Spring
Mill State Park outside Mitchell, Indiana, Grissom's hometown. The heat
shield is in an as-recovered state and the corrugated sheathing looks to me
to be original the entire vehicle is encased in a form-fitted plexiglass
case that makes it difficult to photograph due to the glare.

Quote:
> The same museum apparently stuck it to the Grissom family a second time by
> reneging on some sort of agreement over where that Gemini capsule is
> displayed.

This isn't true that I know of. The capsule has been at Mitchell since the
museum there opened in the 1970's. Don't ask me the date, but I was there
for the dedication ceremony and I was at least 16 or 17, because I drove
myself. As folks on sci.space.history have noted, the NASM is the owner
of all returned US manned spacecraft. To my knowledge, the GT-3 capsule
is on long-term (officially indefinite) loan from the NASM, and I know
of no plans to move it.

Quote:
> That's the official explanation.  I suspect that there is some concern over
> what happened with the Mercury capsule.  Did Grissom***up, did a strap
> catch a switch, did the system just blow the hatch off?

> Personally, I don't care why it sank.

According to a story I saw yesterday at
http://www.FoundCollection.com/,
one of the Navy recovery crew guys says that when he touched the Liberty Bell
with a tool designed to fire an explosive charge and cut off an antenna, there
was a static discharge and the hatch fired at that point.

Pointed question for the naysayers: If there was ANY doubt as to whether
Grissom screwed up, why did he get the assignments to bring the next two
new spacecraft designs 'out of the barn?' Remember, the Astronaut Office
suspended Hoot Gibson from the flight rotation a few years back for nothing
more than hotdogging at an airshow.

It seems to me that the only person with any significant lingering doubts
was that b**t**d Tom Wolfe, who wanted something to help sell his book.
To this day, I'm convinced that if he showed up in Mitchell, Indiana he
would be tarred, feathered, and run out of town on a rail. [For that
matter, I'd go home to heat the pitch :-)]

Quote:
> PS: I was watching TV when the fire on Apollo 1 was announced.  I don't
> remember the program too clearly, just the announcement.  Does anyone know
> what day of the week it was and what time it was announced?  I'm just trying
> to remember what program they interrupted.

I think it was a Friday evening, in the early part of prime-time hours.

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Post by Mario Perd » Wed, 05 May 1999 04:00:00


On Tue, 04 May 1999 07:50:07 -0500, Mark Johnson

Quote:

>It seems to me that the only person with any significant lingering doubts
>was that b**t**d Tom Wolfe, who wanted something to help sell his book.
>To this day, I'm convinced that if he showed up in Mitchell, Indiana he
>would be tarred, feathered, and run out of town on a rail. [For that
>matter, I'd go home to heat the pitch :-)]

I'll bring the feathers...

Quote:

>> PS: I was watching TV when the fire on Apollo 1 was announced.  I don't
>> remember the program too clearly, just the announcement.  Does anyone know
>> what day of the week it was and what time it was announced?  I'm just trying
>> to remember what program they interrupted.

>I think it was a Friday evening, in the early part of prime-time hours.

It was Friday, January 27th, 1967. I was watching "The Time Tunnel"
when the announcement was made.

Mario
NAR #22012

"X-ray-Delta-One, this is Mission Control, two-one-five-six, transmission concluded."

 
 
 

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Post by Rob Car » Wed, 05 May 1999 04:00:00


...

Quote:
>I don't think this is the case...GT-3 is at the Grissom Memorial in Spring
>Mill State Park outside Mitchell, Indiana, Grissom's hometown. The heat
>shield is in an as-recovered state and the corrugated sheathing looks to me
>to be original the entire vehicle is encased in a form-fitted plexiglass
>case that makes it difficult to photograph due to the glare.

My statements were based on the AP story "Mercury astronaut's family hopes
his capsule remains buried at sea" - April 16, 1999.  I was commenting from
memory, as the paper from the 16th and 17th of April has long seen the
bottom of a bird cage and gone out with the trash.

Anyone have a copy of the article and can post it?

Sorry, I don't have $19.95 for the AP online to get the article.

Rob

 
 
 

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Post by PnmaFlo » Thu, 06 May 1999 04:00:00


Randy said...

Quote:
>Something I found strange about it, is that the paper reported Grissom's
>widow, is opposed to the recovery. Weird huh? Wonder why?

I wish I could remember where I read it (perhaps on Discovery Online's LB7
page), but I seem to recall reading that Betty's not opposed to recovery, but
to restoration.
Good question, though (says another guy who thinks the static charge from the
divers' tool set it off...)
BTW: While*** out w/my Aunt at Houston in the `70s (I was a ***ager
then), I heard a few folks saying that Gus would have been the 1st to walk on
the moon if he had lived...anyone else have stories/memories, etc. that could
confirm this?
-"Panama" Floyd, a.k.a. Jay Roberts
NAR #71541
SoAR #21
 
 
 

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Post by Chuck Mi » Thu, 06 May 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

>Randy said...
>>Something I found strange about it, is that the paper reported Grissom's
>>widow, is opposed to the recovery. Weird huh? Wonder why?

>I wish I could remember where I read it (perhaps on Discovery Online's LB7
>page), but I seem to recall reading that Betty's not opposed to recovery, but
>to restoration.

According to local news reports here in Wichita (I am using the media
information here), her opposition is a mixture of both, and
additionally a personal issue.  Specifically, the report quoted Mrs. Grissom
as saying her problem was a personal one with Max Ary (the owner of the Kansas
Cosmosphere and Spaceworks, the company that will do the restoration), and  
specifically to what she refers to as Spacework's  "Copper Kettle Restoration"
techniques.

Anyway, there is alot of good information about the Kansas Cosmosphere's plans
for the capsule located here...

http://www.cosmo.org/events.htm#anchor944404

Chuck Mies

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Post by GCGassaw » Thu, 06 May 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
>>>BTW: While*** out w/my Aunt at Houston in the `70s (I was a ***ager

then), I heard a few folks saying that Gus would have been the 1st to walk on
the moon if he had lived...anyone else have stories/memories, etc. that could
confirm this?<<<

It's been mentioned in the sci.space.history group that Deke Slayton, who was
in charge of assigning flight crews, wanted Gus to be the first. Although that
was certainly a very unofficial thing.

- George Gassaway