> I just discovered that some of the AeroTech reloads I have purchased
> are not certified by NAR (or TRA for that matter).
> In particular I find that none of the E23 or F52 reloads for the
> 29/40-120 case are certified. In addition the E11-5J reload for the
> 24/40 case is not certified, although the E15-3J is certifed by NAR as
> an E15-4.
> I called AeroTech customer service to ask if these (particularly the
> 29mm reloads) were going to be certified. All they could do was
> confirm that they were not currently NAR certified (though they said
> something about California certified). They had no information on
> future status.
> So what do I do now? As I recall the NAR safety code has a section to
> the effect: I will only use NAR certified motors in an unmodified
> condition. Presumably the RSO would not allow these motors at an NAR
> launch, and any use of them privately (presuming I can find a private
> field large enough) would void my insurance and violate the rules of
> the NAR organization (something I **really don't** want to do).
> Should I hold on to these and await certification?
> Should I complain to the place I bought them? (Mountainside Hobbies)
> (I have reason to believe that they may not have known at the
> time I bought them)
> Should I return them to AeroTech with a complaint?
> I wish I they had been clearly identifieable as uncertified when I
> bought them (since I then wouldn't have).
> Anybody know anything about this issue? Got any ideas?
I'd suggest the last option: return them to AeroTech. Ask for replacements
of equivalent size and class. Maybe if enough folks complain, they will
finally do something about the situation.
I've been complaining (what, me complain?) since about NARAM-35. At
NARAM-38, they said that the uncertified 24mm and 29mm motors would be
certified "soon". Note that the D9 (24mm) is also uncertified. The
uncertified 18mm motors (B6, C4, C6-5) are all being discontinued.
The dealer was probably ignorant of the certification status. Most folks
just assume that if a manufactuere s selling rocket motors that they are
certified. Not so for Aerotech. At NARAM-37, I even caught the NAR range
store selling some of these reloads. Strangely enough, the range store was
run by NARTS, which is mostly the same folks who run NAR S&T. When I pointed
out the "discrepancy" to them, they immediately pulled all the uncertified
BTW, this whole problem goes back to NARAM-34 in the summer of 1992.
AeroTech was the host for NARAM in Vegas. At that time, they had yet to send
any reloads to NAR S&T for testing. None of them were on the NAR or TRA
certification lists. When the NAR asked, TRA president Chuck Rogers claimed
that TRA TMT had certified them all, but hadn't updated the list. Based on
this claim, all the 18/24/29mm reloads were allowed. the truth of the matter
is that TMT has NEVER certified ANY of these reloads, with the exception of
the D24-10T. But why should a convenient lie between friends stand in the
way of cash sales to consumers.
BTW, Rocketflite motors had been TMT tested, but weren't on the list,
weren't acknowledged by Chuck, and thus weren't allowed at NARAM-34.
Fred "defender of Chuck" Brennion, care to comment on this one?
Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Abort, Retry, Fail?"