North Coast Rocketry

North Coast Rocketry

Post by Matthew Ko » Thu, 24 Dec 1998 04:00:00



Anyone been launching the new North Coast series from Estes? I have
launched smaller rockets for years and am intrigued by these new ones.
But the price-OUCH!
                          Matt
 
 
 

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Post by ADNSTEF5 » Fri, 25 Dec 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

>launched smaller rockets for years and am intrigued by these new ones.
>But the price-OUCH!

Matt,

In my humble opinion, the NCR kits are OK.
Just shop around to find the best prices.
Bellville Wholesale Hobbies seems to have the best prices for me ( 30% off list
+shipping)
however I don't know where you live. Shipping to your address could be alot
more.
Also, remember to use a LOC motor mount tube so you can use Aoretech SU motors
( not just Estes F62 darkstars ).

Regards,
Adrian Butler NAR 73787 L1


 
 
 

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Post by Marie Holyfiel » Sat, 26 Dec 1998 04:00:00



Anyone been launching the new North Coast series from Estes? I have
launched smaller rockets for years and am intrigued by these new ones.
But the price-OUCH!
                          Matt

Got mine back in July when Hobby Lobby put all their rocket kits on for half
price.:)
The ones I have built so far fly really nice on Aeroteck reload motors.
Give them a try if you can find a deal on them.  Just remember "Never pay
full price!"

                                Marie

 
 
 

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Post by Essenc » Sun, 27 Dec 1998 04:00:00


I have personally built and launch the Interceptor G.  It and other new
NCR kits are reviewed at our site.  Come by and visit!

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Post by CarlO590 » Sun, 27 Dec 1998 04:00:00


OK - Help me out here (newbie to the newsgroup).  I, too, just got our first
NCR Archer kit.  What is an LOC motor mount tube? Is this something that
replaces the mount tube in the kit, (i.e., at time of build), or is this
something that I can retro-fit?  We've lauched dozens of B/C/D models over the
years, but this is our first shot at the F/G series.  I"ve seen the Aerotech
motors, but just (ignorantly) assumed they were a direct replacement for NCR
F/Gs.

Thanks...
Carl in Ft Worth

 
 
 

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Post by Peter Olivo » Sun, 27 Dec 1998 04:00:00


NCR (as produced by Estes) motor mount tubes have a marginally smaller
inside diameter.  This is fine for the F62, but is too small for the
AeroTech single use motors.  Reloads still fit.  If you substitute an
equal length of Loc (or some other standard 29mm motor mount) tubing
for the kit supplied material at the time of build, you'll be able to
use the full range of consumer 29mm single use motors on the market
and not be limited to reloads and F62's.


Quote:
>OK - Help me out here (newbie to the newsgroup).  I, too, just got our first
>NCR Archer kit.  What is an LOC motor mount tube? Is this something that
>replaces the mount tube in the kit, (i.e., at time of build), or is this
>something that I can retro-fit?  We've lauched dozens of B/C/D models over the
>years, but this is our first shot at the F/G series.  I"ve seen the Aerotech
>motors, but just (ignorantly) assumed they were a direct replacement for NCR
>F/Gs.


 
 
 

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Post by Norman Dziedzi » Sun, 27 Dec 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

> OK - Help me out here (newbie to the newsgroup).  I, too, just got our first
> NCR Archer kit.  What is an LOC motor mount tube? Is this something that
> replaces the mount tube in the kit, (i.e., at time of build), or is this
> something that I can retro-fit?  We've lauched dozens of B/C/D models over the
> years, but this is our first shot at the F/G series.  I"ve seen the Aerotech
> motors, but just (ignorantly) assumed they were a direct replacement for NCR
> F/Gs.

Estes/Northcoast, in their infinite wisdom designed their 29mm motors and
mounts
slightly smaller than the Aerotech motors.  LOC is another rocket
manufacturer
with a "standard" sized 29mm Motor Mount Tube.  You cannot retrofit this
without a lot of work.  What people are talking about is tossing the NCR
Motor
Mount tube and using one from LOC.  

They are available from Magnum Rockets (http://www.magnumrockets.com/) and
several other suppliers.

Good Luck

--
nOrM
------------------------------------------------------

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Post by SirWmOsl » Mon, 28 Dec 1998 04:00:00


How is this kit in general.  It looks like a nice size kit at a reasonable
price.  I've just gotten my L1 cert and am looking for a second large/high
power rocket. Not quite ready for LII yet. Have the 29 mm rms set and this
seems like a good match...can fly on anything from F to H (or I?). Kit plus a
length of 29mm tubing for MMT. Has anyone built this?
Art
NAR# 34201
TRA # 6821 L1
 
 
 

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Post by Bob Kapl » Mon, 28 Dec 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

> How is this kit in general.  It looks like a nice size kit at a reasonable
> price.  I've just gotten my L1 cert and am looking for a second large/high
> power rocket. Not quite ready for LII yet. Have the 29 mm rms set and this
> seems like a good match...can fly on anything from F to H (or I?). Kit plus a
> length of 29mm tubing for MMT. Has anyone built this?

I've been flying the original per-estes version for some years. It's a nice
kit. The extes version is pretty similar in most respects. I've seen L1
certs done with it.

Things to change/fix:

1) Replace the motor mount with LOC tubing so you have complete freedom of
motor choice. Add Kaplow Klips, and if you are industrious a baffle. My old
one had a baffle until an AT F50 cato trashed the motor mount.

2) The surface mount fins seem prone to breaking off on landing. I'd go
TTW/TTM which would necessitate cutting new fins and slots, or at least cut
slots in the tube and recess them in with 1/8" tabs like the LOC Graduator
does. This slight change in span wouldn't require new fins, just small
notches at the leading and trailing edges.

3) I find mine just a bit too long for convenient travel. Given it to do
over, I'd take the tube extension and make a payload section out of it,
seperating the rocket at the coupler instead of the nose.

4) I didn't like the slats, so I left mine off.

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Post by Tai F » Tue, 29 Dec 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

> Anyone been launching the new North Coast series from Estes? I have
> launched smaller rockets for years and am intrigued by these new ones.
> But the price-OUCH!
>                           Matt

I would make my own for a fraction of the price. The tubes try a
hardware store for those concrete filler tube. take a ruler/spent 29mm
motor and test fit those. The centering ring I dont know where to get
you might have to buy the parts from magnum rockets. the chute has to be
nylon, so you might have to buy it too unless you have a sewing machine.
I dont know why most manufacturers likes to charge outragous price for
kits and it's nothing more than paper/plastic. You can also roll your
own tubes. Just try to find a spent 29mm H motor or the longest 29mm you
can find and take a peice of craft paper (the one from paper bag) first
cover the spent motor with waxpaper so the tube dont stick. Then
diagnoally roll the paper, bonding it with glue or paper mache bonder or
even flour mixed with water. and when applying the second laywe cover
the grooves and roll it the other way. For the main tube use a large PVC
pipe as a mold or just get the concrete filler pipe from a hardware
store.
 
 
 

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Post by Kevin Drayso » Wed, 30 Dec 1998 04:00:00


<SNIP>

Quote:
>Things to change/fix:

>1) Replace the motor mount with LOC tubing so you have complete freedom of
>motor choice. Add Kaplow Klips, and if you are industrious a baffle. My old
>one had a baffle until an AT F50 cato trashed the motor mount.

>2) The surface mount fins seem prone to breaking off on landing. I'd go
>TTW/TTM which would necessitate cutting new fins and slots, or at least cut
>slots in the tube and recess them in with 1/8" tabs like the LOC Graduator
>does. This slight change in span wouldn't require new fins, just small
>notches at the leading and trailing edges.

>3) I find mine just a bit too long for convenient travel. Given it to do
>over, I'd take the tube extension and make a payload section out of it,
>seperating the rocket at the coupler instead of the nose.

>4) I didn't like the slats, so I left mine off.

> Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Ctrl-Alt-Del"

>Kaplow Klips: http://www.FoundCollection.com/
>NIRA: http://www.FoundCollection.com/ NAR: http://www.FoundCollection.com/


Hi Bob. Good points, every one (except I like the slats).

Number one is pretty much a requirement for my fellow Canucks... RMS isn't
conveniently available yet, and the NCR motors aren't legal. I hope the mods
aren't half the pain I've been warned of...  :-)

Just to update you (re: point #2)- the new Estes/NCR version sports plywood
TTW fins, and the BT is pre-slotted.

Point 3: Excellent idea! I'll be doing that for sure. Besides... the coupler
that came with mine is *real* loose.

I have a question, tho... I'm planning (for now) on using this bird to
certify for H and I motors. I want to glue a thrust ring in the Loc tube
mmt, to make flying on F and G SU motors easier. How long is the longest
29mm motor or RMS casing? I'm a ***y bit paranoid about keeping the motor
in the rocket... :-)

Any other advice for this ship?

Thanks in advance!

Kevin Drayson CAR #S369

http://www.FoundCollection.com/

 
 
 

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Post by Bob Kapl » Wed, 30 Dec 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

> I have a question, tho... I'm planning (for now) on using this bird to
> certify for H and I motors. I want to glue a thrust ring in the Loc tube
> mmt, to make flying on F and G SU motors easier. How long is the longest
> 29mm motor or RMS casing? I'm a ***y bit paranoid about keeping the motor
> in the rocket... :-)

I don't have my 29/240 casing handy, but you can probably find the specs on
the AT web paege. BUT, at RCHTA this fall they were showing a longer 29mm
casing, for 5 or perhaps 6 segments. Plan ahead. Some of us (who me?) got
caught by the J350 and J570 casings.

Besides, with Kaplow Klips (and masking tape on expendable motors),
retention is not a problem and no thrust ring is needed.

        Bob Kaplow      NAR # 18L       TRA # "Ctrl-Alt-Del"

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NIRA:           http://www.FoundCollection.com/  NAR:    http://www.FoundCollection.com/