USR Motors

USR Motors

Post by Jerry Irvin » Sat, 31 May 2003 05:45:59





Quote:


> > Jerry sez:
> > " posting the truth can be hazardous to your membership in these clubs and  
> > even posting the evidence in public will not make the
> > NAR, TRA and each  of their lackeys rush to a NFPA meeting with changes.  
> > They have  important rules to maintain to make them
> > self-important.  To an ever  smaller group of super zealots, that forgive
> > ever more and more severe  errors by their "leedership"."

> > You think they would actually take my membership away for telling the
> > obvious truth?  damn I just rejoined so I could criticize them

> NAR? No. Been doing so for years.

> TRA? Absolutely. They've done it several people, including me.

He probably thought he was asking a rhetorical question or joke.  Not
that it was literally true.

:)

Jerry

Quote:

>    Bob Kaplow      NAR # 18L       TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD"
>            >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<
> Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://www.pleimling.org/le/Phantom4000.pdf
>     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org

>  Save Model Rocketry from the HSA!  
>  http://www.space-rockets.com/congress.html

--
Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA

Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
Produce then publish.  http://www.usrockets.com
 
 
 

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Post by RayDunak » Sat, 31 May 2003 06:38:47


<< You think they would actually take my membership away for telling the
obvious truth?  damn I just rejoined so I could criticize them >>

No. If they revoked the membership of everyone who ever criticized or disagreed
with them, there'd be no one left. The few who have been booted out really
worked at it.

 
 
 

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Post by Darren Wrig » Mon, 02 Jun 2003 13:13:52


Quote:
> NA (unregulated fuel)
>   not potentially detonable and less than 2.2mm/s burnrate)
> UN-0499 1.3C propellant solid (potentially detonable)
> UN-0186 1.3C rocket motors (potentially detonable)
> UN-0275 1.3C cartridges power device
> UN-0351 1.4C articles explosive nos
> UN-0349 1.4S articles explosive nos
> UN-0454 1.4S igniters

a UN # only specifies classification, NOT the ability to ship.

Interesting how you claim to have DOT EX #'s, however, neither USR nor
DPT show up on the current DOT exemption list.

Aerotech is there
Ellis is there
AMW is there
Cesaroni is there
USR/DPT is NOT.

Curious?  Nope.  Especially since I am now going thru the process of
being able to ship propellant for JAMSTAR next year and have learned
the whole process needed.

 
 
 

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Post by Jerry Irvin » Mon, 02 Jun 2003 14:20:15




Quote:
> > NA (unregulated fuel)
> >   not potentially detonable and less than 2.2mm/s burnrate)
> > UN-0499 1.3C propellant solid (potentially detonable)
> > UN-0186 1.3C rocket motors (potentially detonable)
> > UN-0275 1.3C cartridges power device
> > UN-0351 1.4C articles explosive nos
> > UN-0349 1.4S articles explosive nos
> > UN-0454 1.4S igniters

> a UN # only specifies classification, NOT the ability to ship.

> Interesting how you claim to have DOT EX #'s, however, neither USR nor
> DPT show up on the current DOT exemption list.

No exemptions needed :)

Quote:

> Aerotech is there
> Ellis is there
> AMW is there
> Cesaroni is there
> USR/DPT is NOT.

> Curious?  Nope.  Especially since I am now going thru the process of
> being able to ship propellant for JAMSTAR next year and have learned
> the whole process needed.

--
Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA

Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
Produce then publish.  http://www.usrockets.com
 
 
 

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Post by Jerry Irvin » Mon, 02 Jun 2003 14:20:45




Quote:
> Curious?  Nope.  Especially since I am now going thru the process of
> being able to ship propellant for JAMSTAR next year and have learned
> the whole process needed.

Too bad you didn't do that THIS year, eh?

--
Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA

Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
Produce then publish.  http://www.usrockets.com

 
 
 

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Post by Jerry Irvin » Mon, 02 Jun 2003 23:02:12




Quote:


> > > NA (unregulated fuel)
> > >   not potentially detonable and less than 2.2mm/s burnrate)
> > > UN-0499 1.3C propellant solid (potentially detonable)
> > > UN-0186 1.3C rocket motors (potentially detonable)
> > > UN-0275 1.3C cartridges power device
> > > UN-0351 1.4C articles explosive nos
> > > UN-0349 1.4S articles explosive nos
> > > UN-0454 1.4S igniters

> > a UN # only specifies classification, NOT the ability to ship.

> > Interesting how you claim to have DOT EX #'s, however, neither USR nor
> > DPT show up on the current DOT exemption list.

> No exemptions needed :)

> > Aerotech is there
> > Ellis is there
> > AMW is there
> > Cesaroni is there

Every one of these vendors have dealers that REQUIRE ATF EXPLOSIVES
PERMITS TO SELL THEIR EXEMPT ROCKET MOTORS OR RELOAD KITS TOO.

Quote:
> > USR/DPT is NOT.

> > Curious?  Nope.  Especially since I am now going thru the process of
> > being able to ship propellant for JAMSTAR next year and have learned
> > the whole process needed.

--
Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA

Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
Produce then publish.  http://www.usrockets.com
 
 
 

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Post by Darren Wrig » Tue, 03 Jun 2003 10:28:11


Quote:



> > Curious?  Nope.  Especially since I am now going thru the process of
> > being able to ship propellant for JAMSTAR next year and have learned
> > the whole process needed.

> Too bad you didn't do that THIS year, eh?

Why?  Everything worked out just fine, and I wasn;t going to do it
unless there was a future.  this year worked out great, and so next
year it will be even easier.

Besides..the whole process is not hard at all.  Just takes a bit if
time a a little money.  There is no rocket science and no conspiracies
here.

-Darren

 
 
 

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Post by Jerry Irvin » Tue, 03 Jun 2003 10:51:22




Quote:




> > > Curious?  Nope.  Especially since I am now going thru the process of
> > > being able to ship propellant for JAMSTAR next year and have learned
> > > the whole process needed.

> > Too bad you didn't do that THIS year, eh?

> Why?  Everything worked out just fine, and I wasn;t going to do it
> unless there was a future.  this year worked out great, and so next
> year it will be even easier.

> Besides..the whole process is not hard at all.  Just takes a bit if
> time a a little money.  There is no rocket science and no conspiracies
> here.

> -Darren

I agree.  They are all in TRA and NAR.

Jerry

--
Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA

Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
Produce then publish.  http://www.usrockets.com

 
 
 

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Post by Reece Talle » Wed, 04 Jun 2003 14:41:40


Just so everyone knows, I use Jerry's motors and love them to death. They
work, come in really interesting configurations and the price is highly
competitive with AT. I'm not associated with Jerry in any way (shoot, we've
never met) so my opinion is offered without strings.

--
R. J. Talley
Teacher/James Madison Fellow
NAR #69594
NRA #133073736


Quote:


> > > Curious?  Nope.  Especially since I am now going thru the process of
> > > being able to ship propellant for JAMSTAR next year and have learned
> > > the whole process needed.

> > Too bad you didn't do that THIS year, eh?

> Why?  Everything worked out just fine, and I wasn;t going to do it
> unless there was a future.  this year worked out great, and so next
> year it will be even easier.

> Besides..the whole process is not hard at all.  Just takes a bit if
> time a a little money.  There is no rocket science and no conspiracies
> here.

> -Darren

 
 
 

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Post by RayDunak » Wed, 04 Jun 2003 16:04:02


<<Just so everyone knows, I use Jerry's motors and love them to death.>>

JOOC, what types/sizes have you used? I used to use some of his motors a long
time ago, but mostly in the midsize range (F-I).

 
 
 

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Post by Reece Talle » Wed, 04 Jun 2003 21:44:28


G160 29mm, G280 29mm and G008 29mm. The first is one heck of a hot motor for
TFNC type rockets. Mach velocities are easily attained. The G280s make a ton
of noise and literally kick an LOC Lil' Nuke off the pad. The latter, the
G008 has got to be the longest burn motor I've ever flown. Imagine an F10
with a longer burn and more over-all thrust. In a VB Extream 29 this rocket
goes over a mile straight up.  I've had some lesser experience with some of
his smaller F motors but the above units are my mainstay. I love these
things, they make mid power fun again.

--
R. J. Talley
Teacher/James Madison Fellow
NAR #69594
NRA #133073736

Quote:
> <<Just so everyone knows, I use Jerry's motors and love them to death.>>

> JOOC, what types/sizes have you used? I used to use some of his motors a
long
> time ago, but mostly in the midsize range (F-I).

 
 
 

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Post by Curtis Schol » Wed, 04 Jun 2003 21:29:50


OK, so how are you purchasing/receiving them? I can't get Ken at Performance
Hobbies to return my call.

Curtis Scholl

Quote:
> Just so everyone knows, I use Jerry's motors and love them to death. They
> work, come in really interesting configurations and the price is highly
> competitive with AT. I'm not associated with Jerry in any way (shoot,
we've
> never met) so my opinion is offered without strings.

> --
> R. J. Talley
> Teacher/James Madison Fellow
> NAR #69594
> NRA #133073736






> > > > Curious?  Nope.  Especially since I am now going thru the process of
> > > > being able to ship propellant for JAMSTAR next year and have learned
> > > > the whole process needed.

> > > Too bad you didn't do that THIS year, eh?

> > Why?  Everything worked out just fine, and I wasn;t going to do it
> > unless there was a future.  this year worked out great, and so next
> > year it will be even easier.

> > Besides..the whole process is not hard at all.  Just takes a bit if
> > time a a little money.  There is no rocket science and no conspiracies
> > here.

> > -Darren

 
 
 

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Post by Jerry Irvin » Wed, 04 Jun 2003 21:57:01




Quote:
> Just so everyone knows, I use Jerry's motors and love them to death. They
> work, come in really interesting configurations and the price is highly
> competitive with AT. I'm not associated with Jerry in any way (shoot, we've
> never met) so my opinion is offered without strings.

You might meet me and do a 180 :)

--
Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA

Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
Produce then publish.  http://www.usrockets.com

 
 
 

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Post by Jerry Irvin » Wed, 04 Jun 2003 22:02:36




Quote:
> OK, so how are you purchasing/receiving them? I can't get Ken at Performance
> Hobbies to return my call.

Ken has plenty.  Maybe he will email me?  I doubt it.

I keep hearing from "my east coast friends" that Ken does indeed sell
them and keep the money.  I guess he needs it, what with all the
Aerotech fire and all.  It is going to be interesting indeed to see what
happens when the existing paperwork trickles down through the dealers
and launch hosts that can read the law, and sell motors without LEUP, so
long as they have valid shipping paperwork.

Have been LEGALLY shipping laeger orders for a while.  I even had a
customer that wanted ALL of Ken's remaining inventory.  All he had to do
was stick it in boxes that would be sent to him with labeling affixed
and paperwork already done and signed.  Ready for pickup.  But does he
return my emails.  Well kinda.  only to say "get more paperwork".  As if
more than sufficient matters.  This is a guy who I saw "hauled before a
TRA board meeting and threatened".  And gave in.

Jerry

Quote:

> Curtis Scholl


> > Just so everyone knows, I use Jerry's motors and love them to death. They
> > work, come in really interesting configurations and the price is highly
> > competitive with AT. I'm not associated with Jerry in any way (shoot,
> we've
> > never met) so my opinion is offered without strings.

--
Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA

Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
Produce then publish.  http://www.usrockets.com