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Post by Jerry Irvin » Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:19:20



Another little birdie told me:

Obviously not the same one since this qualifies as an executive summary
:)

Here's a line of reasoning for you - Use it if you want

"Members may be suspended or removed from the corporation for just cause
by
the board of directors. Just cause includes, but is not limited to,
violations of any applicable safety code adopted by the board of
directors,
illegal activities, unsafe activities violative of federal, state, or
municipal statutes, laws, regulations, rules, ordinances or the like, or
acts determined by the board of directors to be detrimental or injurious
to
the corporation..."

Okay,

You have a member that is in breach of promise to the BoD ( and the
membership)

You have a member that is doing things that could be construed as
detrimental or injurious to the hobby/corperation.

You have a member whose activities, if not looked in to a corrected, may
bring a US Governmental authority down on him and by extension the hobby.

Poor Frank... oops I was talking about Bruce Kelly and his breach of
promise to deliver promised issues of HPR.

HPR is the voice of HPR and not publishing it makes the hobby look like
it is run by a bunch of amateurs. Could this be construed as detrimental
to the hobby? Sure, people have quit after getting less than the
promised number of issues.

Not delivering the promised issues is called mail fraud.

Mail fraud is investigated by the US Postal Authorities.

If the BoD is in the business of enforcing or at least checking for
compliance for Federal government (As they seem to have done in Kosdon's
case.) Then they better point their enforcement/comliance sites to this
other member and suspend his membership until after elections.

What's fair is fair - or was there another reason for the suspension?

--
Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA

Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
Produce then publish.

 
 
 

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Post by Steve Wolf » Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:59:31


Quote:
> Not delivering the promised issues is called mail fraud.

> Mail fraud is investigated by the US Postal Authorities.

  google shows over 100 messages from you talking about mail fraud.  Have
you ever actually visitted your local postmaster about it?

steve

 
 
 

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Post by Art Fuldodge » Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:13:00


Quote:

> > Not delivering the promised issues is called mail fraud.

> > Mail fraud is investigated by the US Postal Authorities.

>   google shows over 100 messages from you talking about mail fraud.  Have
> you ever actually visitted your local postmaster about it?

Of course not - Jerry enjoys whining about things too much.  If he ever actually
carried out any of the threats he's made ad nauseum over the past few years,
and actually accomplished something, he wouldn't have anything left to whine
about, or have anyone else to blame for his own problems.
 
 
 

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Post by Jerry Irvin » Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:31:22




Quote:
> > Not delivering the promised issues is called mail fraud.

> > Mail fraud is investigated by the US Postal Authorities.

>   google shows over 100 messages from you talking about mail fraud.  Have
> you ever actually visitted your local postmaster about it?

I am not a subscriber.  Not since I was removed in 1992.

Jerry

--
Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA

Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
Produce then publish.

 
 
 

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Post by Jerry Irvin » Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:32:36




Quote:

> > > Not delivering the promised issues is called mail fraud.

> > > Mail fraud is investigated by the US Postal Authorities.

> >   google shows over 100 messages from you talking about mail fraud.  Have
> > you ever actually visitted your local postmaster about it?

> Of course not - Jerry enjoys whining about things too much.  If he ever
> actually
> carried out any of the threats he's made ad nauseum over the past few years,
> and actually accomplished something, he wouldn't have anything left to whine
> about, or have anyone else to blame for his own problems.

On the other hand had the many ripped off people filed a report, the
several hundred reports would have required SOME action by Brucie.

Jerry

--
Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA

Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
Produce then publish.

 
 
 

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Post by GCGassaw » Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:54:58


Quote:

>>>->>> Not delivering the promised issues is called mail fraud.

Mail fraud is investigated by the US Postal Authorities. <<<<-<<<<

Steve Wolfe replied:

Quote:
>>>>>>google shows over 100 messages from you talking about mail fraud.  Have

you ever actually visitted your local postmaster about it? <<<<<

Being visited BY the postmaster maybe?  :-)

Oh, I'm quite sure Jerry is VERY familiar with mail fraud laws.  But for
different reasons than you were thinking.  

Yep, quite the expert.

- George Gassaway

 
 
 

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Post by Bill Nelso » Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:28:23


Quote:

>> Mail fraud is investigated by the US Postal Authorities.
>   google shows over 100 messages from you talking about mail fraud.  Have
> you ever actually visitted your local postmaster about it?

I HAVE investigated what the post office does do about mail fraud complaints.
They look for a sustained repeated pattern. If they find one, they turn the
information over to other agencies for possible prosecution.

They have zero enforcement authority.

--

 
 
 

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Post by Jerry Irvin » Fri, 22 Mar 2002 01:00:38




Quote:

> >> Mail fraud is investigated by the US Postal Authorities.

> >   google shows over 100 messages from you talking about mail fraud.  Have
> > you ever actually visitted your local postmaster about it?

> I HAVE investigated what the post office does do about mail fraud complaints.
> They look for a sustained repeated pattern. If they find one, they turn the
> information over to other agencies for possible prosecution.

> They have zero enforcement authority.

State police?  Orem PD?

--
Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA

Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
Produce then publish.

 
 
 

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Post by Bill Nelso » Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:31:10


Quote:

>> I HAVE investigated what the post office does do about mail fraud complaints.
>> They look for a sustained repeated pattern. If they find one, they turn the
>> information over to other agencies for possible prosecution.

>> They have zero enforcement authority.
> State police?  Orem PD?

No. State and local police have no jurisdiction on federal crimes. The
information is turned over to a federal agency - I forget which one.
The information is on the USPS web page.

--

 
 
 

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Post by jimmclaughli » Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:36:56


US Attorney for the District of Utah, salt lake City


Quote:



> > >> Mail fraud is investigated by the US Postal Authorities.

> > >   google shows over 100 messages from you talking about mail fraud.
Have
> > > you ever actually visitted your local postmaster about it?

> > I HAVE investigated what the post office does do about mail fraud
complaints.
> > They look for a sustained repeated pattern. If they find one, they turn
the
> > information over to other agencies for possible prosecution.

> > They have zero enforcement authority.

> State police?  Orem PD?

> --
> Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA

> Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
> Produce then publish.

 
 
 

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Post by Jerry Irvin » Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:56:29



Quote:

> US Attorney for the District of Utah, salt lake City

somebody:

Quote:
> > > I HAVE investigated what the post office does do about mail fraud
> complaints.
> > > They look for a sustained repeated pattern. If they find one, they turn
> the information over to other agencies for possible prosecution.
> > > They have zero enforcement authority.

--
Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA

Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
Produce then publish.