LOC Bruiser EXP or Esoteric

LOC Bruiser EXP or Esoteric

Post by Steve Gibbing » Thu, 06 Sep 2001 20:52:00



I'd like to hear from anyone who has built these kits as I am considering
either (but not both as my bank manager gets jumpy!)

I'm planning some changes to motor mounts etc and I'd like to run some
simulations.  Does anyone have either Rock Sim files or dimension details
with which I can create a Rock Sim design from?

Regards,

Steve.

 
 
 

LOC Bruiser EXP or Esoteric

Post by Bob » Thu, 06 Sep 2001 22:57:08


Quote:

> I'd like to hear from anyone who has built these kits as I am considering
> either (but not both as my bank manager gets jumpy!)

Talk to Stephen Woolhead (also and EARS member), he's got a Brusier of some
description, don't know if it's an EXP or not.

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LOC Bruiser EXP or Esoteric

Post by mrtrito » Thu, 06 Sep 2001 23:10:06


How about Ray Halm? It's "only" a Bruiser, but it's seen a LOT of flights!
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Quote:

> > I'd like to hear from anyone who has built these kits as I am
considering
> > either (but not both as my bank manager gets jumpy!)

> Talk to Stephen Woolhead (also and EARS member), he's got a Brusier of
some
> description, don't know if it's an EXP or not.

> Bob.

http://www.fatboab.org/
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> "Crash programs fail because they are based on theory that,
>   with nine women pregnant, you can get a baby in a month."
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Braun

 
 
 

LOC Bruiser EXP or Esoteric

Post by None » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 06:10:54


Did my Cert II on a Bruiser EXP3 on a K1100, nice kit, I have cloned it
several times after that.

John

Quote:

> I'd like to hear from anyone who has built these kits as I am considering
> either (but not both as my bank manager gets jumpy!)

> I'm planning some changes to motor mounts etc and I'd like to run some
> simulations.  Does anyone have either Rock Sim files or dimension details
> with which I can create a Rock Sim design from?

> Regards,

> Steve.

 
 
 

LOC Bruiser EXP or Esoteric

Post by Woody Mille » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 07:56:42


I'm building the EXP-3 for my L3.  It's a LOC kit, like it's smaller cousins -
and the instructions are only 1 page.  I'm am doing a fair amt of mods/additions
(no glass).  The thing that surprised me most what that the fin tabs for TTW
were < 1/2".

Email me if you still need a rocksim for the exp-3.  (it does not include my
mods..)

Quote:

> Did my Cert II on a Bruiser EXP3 on a K1100, nice kit, I have cloned it
> several times after that.

> John


> > I'd like to hear from anyone who has built these kits as I am considering
> > either (but not both as my bank manager gets jumpy!)

> > I'm planning some changes to motor mounts etc and I'd like to run some
> > simulations.  Does anyone have either Rock Sim files or dimension details
> > with which I can create a Rock Sim design from?

> > Regards,

> > Steve.

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LOC Bruiser EXP or Esoteric

Post by Tom Binfor » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 12:09:35



Quote:
> I'd like to hear from anyone who has built these kits as I am considering
> either (but not both as my bank manager gets jumpy!)

Esoteric. Wait till you put 5 K185's in it:-) (That's when yout bank manager
gets really jumpy.)
They're both based on 7.5" tube, the Esoteric has a reducer to a 5.54"
payload section, the Bruiser's payload is the same as the booster section.
The Bruiser EXP has a 54 and 2 38 mm mounts, the Esoteric has 5 54 mm
mounts. Except for adding motor retention, changing the elastic to tubular
nylon, and using altimeter deployment, I'd build basically stock.

Tom

Quote:

> I'm planning some changes to motor mounts etc and I'd like to run some
> simulations.  Does anyone have either Rock Sim files or dimension details
> with which I can create a Rock Sim design from?

> Regards,

> Steve.

 
 
 

LOC Bruiser EXP or Esoteric

Post by Wolfgan » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 22:57:13


Woddy,

It would be great if you could mail me the RocSim file for a EXP 3".  I had
considered the 3" myself but the power to weight ratio of a 75mm K560 against a
54mm K550 is too big.  I don't want to have to use an L850 or M motor right now.  I
have planned on using five 54mm motor mounts which give me a lot of flexibility.  I
didn't like the idea of a 54mm & two 29mm as in the standard EXP though.

I'm planning on cloning it but I quite like the exta length and transition on the
Esoteric, so I may look at combining the two designs.

Thanks and kind regards,

Steve

Quote:

> I'm building the EXP-3 for my L3.  It's a LOC kit, like it's smaller cousins -
> and the instructions are only 1 page.  I'm am doing a fair amt of mods/additions
> (no glass).  The thing that surprised me most what that the fin tabs for TTW
> were < 1/2".

> Email me if you still need a rocksim for the exp-3.  (it does not include my
> mods..)


> > Did my Cert II on a Bruiser EXP3 on a K1100, nice kit, I have cloned it
> > several times after that.

> > John


> > > I'd like to hear from anyone who has built these kits as I am considering
> > > either (but not both as my bank manager gets jumpy!)

> > > I'm planning some changes to motor mounts etc and I'd like to run some
> > > simulations.  Does anyone have either Rock Sim files or dimension details
> > > with which I can create a Rock Sim design from?

> > > Regards,

> > > Steve.

> --
> Woody Miller
> NAR 74701 L2
> TRA  8539 L2
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Alpha 40 Project website: http://www.users.qwest.net/~woody8
> ----------------------------------------------------------------

 
 
 

LOC Bruiser EXP or Esoteric

Post by Wolfgan » Fri, 07 Sep 2001 23:03:09


Tom,

I quite like the extra height and transition on the Esoteric but I want to
glass the airframe and still fly it on a single K550 to >2000ft.   I'm pushing
it there already.  I like the idea of several 54mm motors over one 54 and two
38s.  I think it is more flexible.  Five K185s sounds cool though.  That's a
once a year flight I imagine!

Do you know the length of the transition and the two body tubes on the
Esoteric?  Fin edge lengths (root chord, tip cord, semi span etc) would really
help too.  If you have this rocket I'd really appreciate it if you could let me
have the dimensions.

Kind regards,

Steve.

Quote:



> > I'd like to hear from anyone who has built these kits as I am considering
> > either (but not both as my bank manager gets jumpy!)

> Esoteric. Wait till you put 5 K185's in it:-) (That's when yout bank manager
> gets really jumpy.)
> They're both based on 7.5" tube, the Esoteric has a reducer to a 5.54"
> payload section, the Bruiser's payload is the same as the booster section.
> The Bruiser EXP has a 54 and 2 38 mm mounts, the Esoteric has 5 54 mm
> mounts. Except for adding motor retention, changing the elastic to tubular
> nylon, and using altimeter deployment, I'd build basically stock.

> Tom

> > I'm planning some changes to motor mounts etc and I'd like to run some
> > simulations.  Does anyone have either Rock Sim files or dimension details
> > with which I can create a Rock Sim design from?

> > Regards,

> > Steve.

 
 
 

LOC Bruiser EXP or Esoteric

Post by JDcluste » Sat, 08 Sep 2001 04:54:20


You are thinking of the Magnum , that has a 54 mm w/ 2-29 mm out boards
.
The Bruiser EXP has 54 mm + 2-38 mm mounts , at least that's the way I
remember it .....

Jeff

Quote:

> Woddy,

> It would be great if you could mail me the RocSim file for a EXP 3".  I had
> considered the 3" myself but the power to weight ratio of a 75mm K560 against a
> 54mm K550 is too big.  I don't want to have to use an L850 or M motor right now.  I
> have planned on using five 54mm motor mounts which give me a lot of flexibility.  I
> didn't like the idea of a 54mm & two 29mm as in the standard EXP though.

> I'm planning on cloning it but I quite like the exta length and transition on the
> Esoteric, so I may look at combining the two designs.

> Thanks and kind regards,

> Steve


> > I'm building the EXP-3 for my L3.  It's a LOC kit, like it's smaller cousins -
> > and the instructions are only 1 page.  I'm am doing a fair amt of mods/additions
> > (no glass).  The thing that surprised me most what that the fin tabs for TTW
> > were < 1/2".

> > Email me if you still need a rocksim for the exp-3.  (it does not include my
> > mods..)


> > > Did my Cert II on a Bruiser EXP3 on a K1100, nice kit, I have cloned it
> > > several times after that.

> > > John


> > > > I'd like to hear from anyone who has built these kits as I am considering
> > > > either (but not both as my bank manager gets jumpy!)

> > > > I'm planning some changes to motor mounts etc and I'd like to run some
> > > > simulations.  Does anyone have either Rock Sim files or dimension details
> > > > with which I can create a Rock Sim design from?

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Steve.

> > --
> > Woody Miller
> > NAR 74701 L2
> > TRA  8539 L2
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > Alpha 40 Project website: http://www.users.qwest.net/~woody8
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------

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LOC Bruiser EXP or Esoteric

Post by Tom Binfor » Sat, 08 Sep 2001 13:04:28



Quote:
> Tom,

> I quite like the extra height and transition on the Esoteric but I want to
> glass the airframe and still fly it on a single K550 to >2000ft.   I'm
pushing
> it there already.  I like the idea of several 54mm motors over one 54 and
two
> 38s.  I think it is more flexible.  Five K185s sounds cool though.  That's
a
> once a year flight I imagine!

> Do you know the length of the transition and the two body tubes on the
> Esoteric?  Fin edge lengths (root chord, tip cord, semi span etc) would
really
> help too.  If you have this rocket I'd really appreciate it if you could
let me
> have the dimensions.

Sorry, haven't had one for 10 years. Made a huge pile of pieces though :-(

Tom

- Show quoted text -

Quote:

> Kind regards,

> Steve.




> > > I'd like to hear from anyone who has built these kits as I am
considering
> > > either (but not both as my bank manager gets jumpy!)

> > Esoteric. Wait till you put 5 K185's in it:-) (That's when yout bank
manager
> > gets really jumpy.)
> > They're both based on 7.5" tube, the Esoteric has a reducer to a 5.54"
> > payload section, the Bruiser's payload is the same as the booster
section.
> > The Bruiser EXP has a 54 and 2 38 mm mounts, the Esoteric has 5 54 mm
> > mounts. Except for adding motor retention, changing the elastic to
tubular
> > nylon, and using altimeter deployment, I'd build basically stock.

> > Tom

> > > I'm planning some changes to motor mounts etc and I'd like to run some
> > > simulations.  Does anyone have either Rock Sim files or dimension
details
> > > with which I can create a Rock Sim design from?

> > > Regards,

> > > Steve.

 
 
 

LOC Bruiser EXP or Esoteric

Post by Wolfgan » Sat, 08 Sep 2001 18:44:40


Yes you're ring the EXP does have two 38mm not 29mm.
Quote:

> You are thinking of the Magnum , that has a 54 mm w/ 2-29 mm out boards
> .
> The Bruiser EXP has 54 mm + 2-38 mm mounts , at least that's the way I
> remember it .....

> Jeff


> > Woddy,

> > It would be great if you could mail me the RocSim file for a EXP 3".  I had
> > considered the 3" myself but the power to weight ratio of a 75mm K560 against a
> > 54mm K550 is too big.  I don't want to have to use an L850 or M motor right now.  I
> > have planned on using five 54mm motor mounts which give me a lot of flexibility.  I
> > didn't like the idea of a 54mm & two 29mm as in the standard EXP though.

> > I'm planning on cloning it but I quite like the exta length and transition on the
> > Esoteric, so I may look at combining the two designs.

> > Thanks and kind regards,

> > Steve


> > > I'm building the EXP-3 for my L3.  It's a LOC kit, like it's smaller cousins -
> > > and the instructions are only 1 page.  I'm am doing a fair amt of mods/additions
> > > (no glass).  The thing that surprised me most what that the fin tabs for TTW
> > > were < 1/2".

> > > Email me if you still need a rocksim for the exp-3.  (it does not include my
> > > mods..)


> > > > Did my Cert II on a Bruiser EXP3 on a K1100, nice kit, I have cloned it
> > > > several times after that.

> > > > John


> > > > > I'd like to hear from anyone who has built these kits as I am considering
> > > > > either (but not both as my bank manager gets jumpy!)

> > > > > I'm planning some changes to motor mounts etc and I'd like to run some
> > > > > simulations.  Does anyone have either Rock Sim files or dimension details
> > > > > with which I can create a Rock Sim design from?

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Steve.

> > > --
> > > Woody Miller
> > > NAR 74701 L2
> > > TRA  8539 L2
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Alpha 40 Project website: http://www.users.qwest.net/~woody8
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------

> --

> Working on the sound barrier.......

> Don't forget to remove:"spambuster" from reply Address .


> Jeff Davenport
> http://www.users.nac.net/jdcluster/JDindex.html

> METRA  B.O.D & Web Master
> http://www.users.nac.net/jdcluster/Metra.html

> TRA: 4486 L3
> NAR: 63238 L: coming soon

 
 
 

LOC Bruiser EXP or Esoteric

Post by Wolfgan » Sat, 08 Sep 2001 18:46:26


Oh dear, sorry to hear that.  I have a Bruiser EXP RockSim file now wjich I can
use as a basis for my design.

Thanks to everyone who has contributed.

Steve.

Quote:



> > Tom,

> > I quite like the extra height and transition on the Esoteric but I want to
> > glass the airframe and still fly it on a single K550 to >2000ft.   I'm
> pushing
> > it there already.  I like the idea of several 54mm motors over one 54 and
> two
> > 38s.  I think it is more flexible.  Five K185s sounds cool though.  That's
> a
> > once a year flight I imagine!

> > Do you know the length of the transition and the two body tubes on the
> > Esoteric?  Fin edge lengths (root chord, tip cord, semi span etc) would
> really
> > help too.  If you have this rocket I'd really appreciate it if you could
> let me
> > have the dimensions.

> Sorry, haven't had one for 10 years. Made a huge pile of pieces though :-(

> Tom

> > Kind regards,

> > Steve.




> > > > I'd like to hear from anyone who has built these kits as I am
> considering
> > > > either (but not both as my bank manager gets jumpy!)

> > > Esoteric. Wait till you put 5 K185's in it:-) (That's when yout bank
> manager
> > > gets really jumpy.)
> > > They're both based on 7.5" tube, the Esoteric has a reducer to a 5.54"
> > > payload section, the Bruiser's payload is the same as the booster
> section.
> > > The Bruiser EXP has a 54 and 2 38 mm mounts, the Esoteric has 5 54 mm
> > > mounts. Except for adding motor retention, changing the elastic to
> tubular
> > > nylon, and using altimeter deployment, I'd build basically stock.

> > > Tom

> > > > I'm planning some changes to motor mounts etc and I'd like to run some
> > > > simulations.  Does anyone have either Rock Sim files or dimension
> details
> > > > with which I can create a Rock Sim design from?

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Steve.