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Post by Ismaeel Abdur-Rashee » Fri, 16 Jan 2004 01:20:13



Quote:

> I wouldn't do it, and I wouldn't RSO any rocket that did.
> Wedge Oldham
> http://BlackBrant2.com

would you RSO a rocket that used thrust vectoring to maintain steady
course despite a motor failure within the cluster?

awesome project, BTW: http://BlackBrant2.com

- iz

Quote:


>>this may sound absurd, but suppose the engine was actually internalized,
>>with the thrust ducted to the pods

>>haven't seen anything like that at LDRS!

>>it would handle the balance issue

 
 
 

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Post by Wedge Oldha » Fri, 16 Jan 2004 03:13:24


Not only would I RSO it, but I implemented it on my Nike-Hercules. Four
M1315 motors were canted to point at the C/G of the rocket. Four M1315s all
canted toward the C/G looks really cool in flight.

Check out http://NikeProject.com for the entire project.
For the picture of booster ignition see:
http://nikeproject.com/ldrs21/IgnitionBitmaps/Ignition.htm
For a video of the flight see: http://nikeproject.com/ldrs21/videos.htm I
recommend Video#1

And for something REALLY cool check out: http://nikeproject.com/Collage.htm

--
Wedge Oldham
http://BlackBrant2.com
Only those who risk going too far,
will ever know how far they can go.


Quote:

> > I wouldn't do it, and I wouldn't RSO any rocket that did.
> > Wedge Oldham
> > http://BlackBrant2.com

> would you RSO a rocket that used thrust vectoring to maintain steady
> course despite a motor failure within the cluster?

> awesome project, BTW: http://BlackBrant2.com


 
 
 

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Post by Wedge Oldha » Fri, 16 Jan 2004 03:16:33


Smoke Charges in the pods is a good idea. Airstarting long burn low thrust
motors like the 38mm H73 might also work with a large 75mm in the main
section.
--
Wedge Oldham
http://BlackBrant2.com
Only those who risk going too far,
will ever know how far they can go.


Quote:
> Heck, I might as well just put all the parts in a pile and set fire to
them
> now rather than try that.  I have been playing with the stress factors
> involved with trying to use power in the pods, as well as the alignment
> issues and have become fairly convinced that it would be too much trouble.
> Now maybe using smoke canisters in the pods set off at 1st stage burnout
> might give a very interesting effect wouldn't you think?
> I really need to come up with something different for this bird if I am
> going to spend this much money and time to build it.  Not that the
> engineering for this as a 2 stage rocket isn't a project in itself!

> Bill Ellick

 
 
 

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Post by Bob Kapl » Fri, 16 Jan 2004 03:43:48



Quote:

>> I wouldn't do it, and I wouldn't RSO any rocket that did.
>> Wedge Oldham
>> http://BlackBrant2.com

> would you RSO a rocket that used thrust vectoring to maintain steady
> course despite a motor failure within the cluster?

What about something like John Pursley uses with actual gimballed motors for
his scale model. The only problem I see with his ystem is that after burnout
you lose control.

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Post by BB » Fri, 16 Jan 2004 04:05:03


Quote:

> What about something like John Pursley uses with actual gimballed motors for
> his scale model. The only problem I see with his ystem is that after burnout
> you lose control.

This is why the model needs to be at least 'somewhat' stable, once the
motor's propellant is expended.  Otherwise the model will begin to tumble.
1/2 caliber positive stability is probably sufficient.

Of course, some folks might see tumbling as a feature, not a bug.

 
 
 

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Post by Ismaeel Abdur-Rashee » Fri, 16 Jan 2004 04:33:10


Quote:

> Not only would I RSO it, but I implemented it on my Nike-Hercules. Four
> M1315 motors were canted to point at the C/G of the rocket. Four M1315s all
> canted toward the C/G looks really cool in flight.

> Check out http://NikeProject.com for the entire project.
> For the picture of booster ignition see:
> http://nikeproject.com/ldrs21/IgnitionBitmaps/Ignition.htm
> For a video of the flight see: http://nikeproject.com/ldrs21/videos.htm I
> recommend Video#1

'watched 1 & 2, had problems loading 3 into QuickTime

AWESOME!!!  To say that is one impressive rocket would be an
understatement!  BTW, isn't that the one on the FlyRockets.com print ad?
http://www.potrocs.org/images/rocket_poster.pdf

that airstart is truly a beautiful think to see, you guys musta thought
you died and went to rocket heaven!

Quote:
> And for something REALLY cool check out: http://nikeproject.com/Collage.htm

DUDE!!!!  All I can say is THANK YOU!!!

this movie gave me chills!!!  And the launch video in this one is the
best of all!

perfect soundtrack, and a better selection of pics I can't imagine.  You
have certainly set the bar high with this one.

WOW!!!

- iz  :))))))))))) !!

 
 
 

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Post by Ismaeel Abdur-Rashee » Fri, 16 Jan 2004 05:01:14


Quote:


>>would you RSO a rocket that used thrust vectoring to maintain steady
>>course despite a motor failure within the cluster?

> What about something like John Pursley uses with actual gimballed motors for
> his scale model. The only problem I see with his ystem is that after burnout
> you lose control.

NARAM 41 Vanguard gimballing detail
http://www.accur8.com/Vanguard/Vanguard2.htm

thanks for the tip, Bob

- iz

 
 
 

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Post by Wedge Oldha » Fri, 16 Jan 2004 05:14:45


Sadly, that's NOT my rocket. It was done by somebody else who did a
fantastic job of painting, decal, and overall attention to detail. If there
was ever a showcase rocket showing what is possible, this one was it. Wish I
could remember the guy's name.  What I lacked in details (paint, lettering
and so on) I made up for in size and power.

The launch video set to music was shot at Lucerne during LDRS 20, that
flight was four K700s in the booster, staging to an M1939, then airstarting
four H73s in pairs of two.

There *is* another Nike-Hercules on the drawing board, but it's more of a
pipe dream than anything else.......But it's a start.  If you're interested
you can check out the other projects I'm currently working on at
http://wedgeoldham.com/other_projects.htm The Nike is at the bottom of the
list.

Wedge


Quote:
> AWESOME!!!  To say that is one impressive rocket would be an
> understatement!  BTW, isn't that the one on the FlyRockets.com print ad?
> http://www.potrocs.org/images/rocket_poster.pdf

> that airstart is truly a beautiful think to see, you guys musta thought
> you died and went to rocket heaven!

> > And for something REALLY cool check out:

http://nikeproject.com/Collage.htm
Quote:

> DUDE!!!!  All I can say is THANK YOU!!!

> this movie gave me chills!!!  And the launch video in this one is the
> best of all!

> perfect soundtrack, and a better selection of pics I can't imagine.  You
> have certainly set the bar high with this one.

> WOW!!!

> - iz  :))))))))))) !!

 
 
 

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Post by Mike Schmi » Fri, 16 Jan 2004 05:22:28


http://www.truemodeler.com/
Click on "Sneak Previews"

Mike

 
 
 

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Post by zoot » Fri, 16 Jan 2004 05:42:20


On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:01:14 GMT, Ismaeel Abdur-Rasheed

Quote:

>NARAM 41 Vanguard gimballing detail
>http://www.accur8.com/Vanguard/Vanguard2.htm

I don't remember that rocket flying at 41. Did it ever fly? If so,
how'd it turn out?

The rocket  was a work of art, IMNSHO.

Zooty

 
 
 

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Post by Ismaeel Abdur-Rashee » Fri, 16 Jan 2004 05:50:49


Quote:

> Sadly, that's NOT my rocket. It was done by somebody else who did a
> fantastic job of painting, decal, and overall attention to detail. If there
> was ever a showcase rocket showing what is possible, this one was it. Wish I
> could remember the guy's name.  What I lacked in details (paint, lettering
> and so on) I made up for in size and power.

right, that was Pat Floyd's Nike-Hercules, boosted on four K550s with a
K550 sustainer

http://www.tripoliidaho.org/images/XPRS-1/54205_16.jpg

lifting off in the distance at XPRS 2002 - Black Rock

http://www.tripoliidaho.org/images/XPRS-1/54205_04.jpg

- iz

 
 
 

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Post by Ismaeel Abdur-Rashee » Fri, 16 Jan 2004 05:56:50


Quote:

> There *is* another Nike-Hercules on the drawing board, but it's more of a
> pipe dream than anything else.......But it's a start.  If you're interested
> you can check out the other projects I'm currently working on at
> http://wedgeoldham.com/other_projects.htm The Nike is at the bottom of the
> list.

looks like a real ambitious project, Wedge

I followed come links around the site while I was there

the Project 463 incident was too bad
http://www.fatcatrockets.com/project%20463%20page%20three.htm

BTW, "Locomotive Breath" is my favorite Tull song.  I saw him do it in
concert back in 1974/5 in El Paso when I was in the USAF.

- iz

 
 
 

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Post by Ismaeel Abdur-Rashee » Fri, 16 Jan 2004 06:09:17


wayl that's one mighty purdy fire-breathin' rocket ya got there, waa haa

actually that Aries "Fat Albert" looks nice.  When I was stocking up on
MR kits for the kids a while back I couldn't find much in the way of
clusters.  'ended up getting a Phoenix Rocketry Mighty Kat
http://www.discountrocketry.com/prod.itml/icOid/630

we could use more cluster models in that motor range, thanks!

- iz

Quote:

> http://www.truemodeler.com/
> Click on "Sneak Previews"

 
 
 

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Post by Leonard Fehsken » Fri, 16 Jan 2004 07:26:37



4ax.com:

Quote:
> On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:01:14 GMT, Ismaeel Abdur-Rasheed

>>NARAM 41 Vanguard gimballing detail
>>http://www.accur8.com/Vanguard/Vanguard2.htm

> I don't remember that rocket flying at 41. Did it ever fly?

No.  Would have been memorable, had it.

len.

 
 
 

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Post by BB » Fri, 16 Jan 2004 07:29:37


Quote:

> BTW, "Locomotive Breath" is my favorite Tull song.  I saw him do it in
> concert back in 1974/5 in El Paso when I was in the USAF.

Wasn't that when he sang a duet with Lynyrd Skynyrd?