Beginner's high_power rocket

Beginner's high_power rocket

Post by Gerald F. Fre » Fri, 20 Jan 1995 22:38:10




Quote:
> Does anyone suggest a beginner's high-power rocket? I've done A,B,C,D, and
>one  E before.

I would suggest a LOC/Precision  The AURA -or- LIL' NUKE.
That is what I am doing.  Not too expensive yet made well enough
for some Big 29mm motors (F42-12, F30-10, G50-12, G25-15)
But can be used on 24mm (with an adaptor) D12-5, E26-8, E28-8.

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Beginner's high_power rocket

Post by Buzz McDermo » Fri, 20 Jan 1995 23:08:55


:  Does anyone suggest a beginner's high-power rocket? I've done A,B,C,D, and
: one  E before.

LOC/Precision has a good line of models from which to choose.  So does Thoy.
From LOC my recommendations are:

    Graduator           2.6 dia., TTW fins
    Lil Nuke            54mm motor tube for body tube
    Aura                38mm motor tube for body tube

The LOC IV is also a good choice (3.0" diameter).

I like the Graduator since it has TTW plywood fins, ply centering rings,
and other things you'll find on large HPR models.  Flies great on E motors
thru G.  Can be built to fly on H as well.

Check out the FAQ for more recommendations and tips.

Buzz McDermott
Dallas, Texas

 
 
 

Beginner's high_power rocket

Post by Guy A Wadswor » Sat, 21 Jan 1995 09:19:47


Quote:

>I like the Graduator since it has TTW plywood fins, ply centering rings,
>and other things you'll find on large HPR models.  Flies great on E motors
>thru G.  Can be built to fly on H as well.

I recommend the Graduator also.  I "graduated" to high power last summer
with this rocket.  It also flies remarkably well on an Estes D12-3.  Kind of
like those "slow realistic" Big-Bertha flights.  Great for a small field.

Guy.

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Beginner's high_power rocket

Post by s.. » Fri, 20 Jan 1995 21:45:56



writes:

Quote:


> > Does anyone suggest a beginner's high-power rocket? I've done A,B,C,D, and
> >one  E before.

The Aerotech line is a good next-step up from the Estes style model rockets.
They have engine hooks and are pretty rugged.  Good rockets for the E-G range.
I would suggest any of their 2.56" rockets.

Stu

 
 
 

Beginner's high_power rocket

Post by r.. » Sat, 21 Jan 1995 09:19:02


Quote:

>  Does anyone suggest a beginner's high-power rocket? I've done

A,B,C,D, and one  E before.

If not an Aerotech model, then a Thoy Falcon.

 
 
 

Beginner's high_power rocket

Post by r.. » Sun, 22 Jan 1995 12:02:40


Quote:

>> I wouldn't recommend a 30+ ounce, 54mm motor-tubed rocket to someone

who's only done one E flight. While the FALCON is a great rocket (I have
one), any of THOY's 2.6" diameter birds with a 29mm motor tube would be
a much better choice.<<

That Thoy nicely comes with the conversion kits for 54-38 and 38-29, so
lower power flights are possible.

Constructionwise, it's a simple rocket.

 
 
 

Beginner's high_power rocket

Post by Bo Vig » Sun, 22 Jan 1995 04:41:04


: >  Does anyone suggest a beginner's high-power rocket? I've done
: A,B,C,D, and one  E before.

: If not an Aerotech model, then a Thoy Falcon.

I wouldn't recommend a 30+ ounce, 54mm motor-tubed rocket to someone who's
only done one E flight. While the FALCON is a great rocket (I have one),
any of THOY's 2.6" diameter birds with a 29mm motor tube would be a much
better choice.

Bo
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Beginner's high_power rocket

Post by kaplo.. » Mon, 23 Jan 1995 19:55:57


Quote:


> writes:

>> > Does anyone suggest a beginner's high-power rocket? I've done A,B,C,D, and
>> >one  E before.

> The Aerotech line is a good next-step up from the Estes style model rockets.
> They have engine hooks and are pretty rugged.  Good rockets for the E-G range.
> I would suggest any of their 2.56" rockets.

I'd go with a LOC Graduator, or perhaps the THOY Hornet over the Aerotech
kits. The Aerotech plastic fins seem to have problems, as reported here...
You just can't beat LOC for parts quality. Over the holidays I picked up a
as yet unbuilt Hornet when Magnum had their holiday sale. For $24, you
couldn't beat this deal. I don't know it's regular price.


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Post by kaplo.. » Tue, 24 Jan 1995 16:32:47


Quote:


>>  Does anyone suggest a beginner's high-power rocket? I've done
> A,B,C,D, and one  E before.

> If not an Aerotech model, then a Thoy Falcon.

Whoa! WAY too big for starting out. A 54mm motor for someone who's flown ONE
"E" motor?


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Post by Craig Altenbu » Wed, 25 Jan 1995 07:39:31


Try the LOC Graduator.  It flies gread on F & G power and will even
handle a Vulcan H100-10 if built correctly.

Craig

 
 
 

Beginner's high_power rocket

Post by kaplo.. » Tue, 24 Jan 1995 16:36:05



Quote:


>> Does anyone suggest a beginner's high-power rocket? I've done A,B,C,D, and
>>one  E before.

> I would suggest a LOC/Precision  The AURA -or- LIL' NUKE.
> That is what I am doing.  Not too expensive yet made well enough
> for some Big 29mm motors (F42-12, F30-10, G50-12, G25-15)
> But can be used on 24mm (with an adaptor) D12-5, E26-8, E28-8.

I'd disagree. They are both to small to take larger motors. The Aura will
get lost on anything even F sized, unless you have Black Rock in your back
yard. The Lil Nuke borders on unstable with some of the larger motors, even
Gs. I'll stand by my suggestion of a Graduator. While not recommended by
LOC, it WILL handle H reload flights. Some of the THOY kits are close.


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Post by s.. » Wed, 25 Jan 1995 07:47:34



writes:

Quote:

> I'd go with a LOC Graduator, or perhaps the THOY Hornet over the Aerotech
> kits. The Aerotech plastic fins seem to have problems, as reported here...
> You just can't beat LOC for parts quality. Over the holidays I picked up a
> as yet unbuilt Hornet when Magnum had their holiday sale. For $24, you
> couldn't beat this deal. I don't know it's regular price.

I think that THOY has better quality parts than LOC (at least they did before
Rocket R&D took them over).

BTW:  What kind of problems have been reported with Aerotech kits?

Stu

 
 
 

Beginner's high_power rocket

Post by r.. » Wed, 25 Jan 1995 09:23:40


Quote:

> > If not an Aerotech model, then a Thoy Falcon.

> Whoa! WAY too big for starting out. A 54mm motor for someone who's
> flown ONE "E" motor?

As I said before, the Thoy is of simple design, and does include the
adapters for 38 & 29mm.  I also listed it after AT <g>.
 
 
 

Beginner's high_power rocket

Post by Bo Vig » Thu, 26 Jan 1995 02:14:12


: > > If not an Aerotech model, then a Thoy Falcon.
: >
: > Whoa! WAY too big for starting out. A 54mm motor for someone who's
: > flown ONE "E" motor?

: As I said before, the Thoy is of simple design, and does include the
: adapters for 38 & 29mm.  I also listed it after AT <g>.

No one's denying that the THOY Falcon isn't an excellent high-powered
rocket, it is. However, the original poster only recently did his first
E flight, and needs many more, plus F, plus G before he can be said to have
"mid-power" experience.

Let's assume they are ready NOW for G80 flights. My THOY Falcon weighs 55
ounces ready to fly but without motor. Sure it's got a couple of extra coats
of glossy paint, it's designed to kick off the pad with up to a J275 motor,
which doesn't pay much attention to 2-3 extra ounces of paint. Back out my
Adept timer/battery (2.5 ounces), its payload bracket (1 ounce) and the
gas generator it fires for primary ejection (2 ounces) plus extra epoxy and
it might be down to 48 ounces (including chute).

Note that I haven't added back in the weight of the 54-to-29mm adapter.
So I ran the numbers in RSIM and I get an altitude of 650 feet with only
32 MPH airspeed at the end of a 6 ft. rod on a G80. Not my idea of a stable,
predictable flight envelope for a *novice* to mid-power. Toss in a breath of
wind, and you've got a simple-to-build, but expensive, lawn dart.

Now the THOY Condor, on the other hand, can easily fly on E thru mid-H motors
(I confirmed with mine using an H128). This would be a much preferred step
for this person than leaping immediately to the FALCON. Then, they can get the
FALCON when they've confirmed and can buy H thru J motors for it.

Bo
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Post by mpra.. » Thu, 26 Jan 1995 10:04:35


Quote:

>  Does anyone suggest a beginner's high-power rocket? I've done
> A,B,C,D, and one  E before.

I know it has been said before, but I will say it again, start with a
Graduator from LOC Precision.  It is reasonably priced, can be epoxied
heavily, filled and painted well, and weigh 13 oz ready for motor and
flight.  Tough, virtually indestructable (built with 30 mix epoxy) and
a great flier with D12-3 through G80 motors.  This testimonial is all from
experience.  

Two suggestions, 1. do yourself a favor, and avoid using 5 minute epoxy on
the fin fillets - I used it, and had the fin across from the shock cord mount
'pop' off on every landing, until I used 30 minute epoxy (fin and tube never
broke, just came loose)
2.  make the shock cord 6 feet of 3/4" elastic from the sewing supply
store.  
If it sounds like the Graduator is my favorite BIG rocket, you're
RIGHT!!!!

good luck, and clear skies,
mik