PT boat

PT boat

Post by Christine Kel » Sun, 13 Dec 1998 04:00:00



I was wondering what the smallest rocket was and how it is launched.Im
trying to add them to my 1/32 scale PT-109 the boat itself is 30 inches
long.Hope to get some ideas.Thanks in advance.
                 Allan Smith
                  Ayer MA.
 
 
 

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Post by The Silent Observe » Sun, 13 Dec 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

> I was wondering what the smallest rocket was and how it is launched.Im
> trying to add them to my 1/32 scale PT-109 the boat itself is 30 inches
> long.Hope to get some ideas.Thanks in advance.
>                  Allan Smith
>                   Ayer MA.

Do you have documentation that PT-109 carried rockets?  I seem to
remember most WW2 PT boats being armed only with a heavy machine gun
(IIRC, some had .50 Browning, and some had 20 mm), two torpedo tubes
with a couple fish for each tube, and a depth charge rack with something
like half a dozen to a dozen cans.

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Post by Christine Kel » Sun, 13 Dec 1998 04:00:00


yes they do have rocket launchers.In the later part of te war in the
pacific they used many differetnt types of armament.I asked for info on
rockets if you dont have any dont waste yours or my ***ing time on
telling me what the *** is on my ***ing boat.Thanks for your response
it was a big ***ing help
                  Allan Smith
                  Ayer Mass.
 
 
 

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Post by nojun » Sun, 13 Dec 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

> yes they do have rocket launchers.In the later part of te war in the
> pacific they used many differetnt types of armament.I asked for info on
> rockets if you dont have any dont waste yours or my ***ing time on
> telling me what the *** is on my ***ing boat.Thanks for your response
> it was a big ***ing help
>                   Allan Smith
>                   Ayer Mass.

(Nothing snipped, since it pretty much stands on its own.)

Christine/Allan:

hmmmm...with that attitude and language I'd be surprised if anybody else
in this newsgroup felt compelled to provide a great deal of help to you,
either.

Chill out; Don asked if you had documentation that PT-109 carried such
armament.  I don't blame him; I'd never heard of them carrying rockets,
either.  He asked a question, much like you did.  He didn't get in your
face, curse at you, and tell you that you were full of crap.  There was
no call whatsoever to go off on him like that.

In this newsgroup things usually work a little more like an exchange of
information.  You came here, and in your first post ever to this group
asked for help.  Someone asked for more information that could be
helpful to someone that might want to help you.  You blasted him.  Seems
like the end of the exchange to me.

Too bad; this might have made a good discussion, and people might have
learned something new about something they didn't know a whole lot
about.

I believe it's your turn, and you definitely owe Don a big apology.

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Post by The Silent Observe » Mon, 14 Dec 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

> yes they do have rocket launchers.In the later part of te war in the
> pacific they used many differetnt types of armament.I asked for info on
> rockets if you dont have any dont waste yours or my ***ing time on
> telling me what the *** is on my ***ing boat.Thanks for your response
> it was a big ***ing help
>                   Allan Smith
>                   Ayer Mass.

Thanks for your attitude.  It was immensely helpful in deciding whether
to offer more information on how to accomplish something that's only
marginally safe when done carefully and well.

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Post by R. J. Talle » Mon, 14 Dec 1998 04:00:00


Say Allen, If you're not a kid, why are you using Christine kelly's account?
You know, your response remided me a lot of what some of my students say
when they are questioned.
 
 
 

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Post by R. J. Talle » Mon, 14 Dec 1998 04:00:00


Well Allen, we don't speak to each other like that here; even when we are
angry. Your attitude is boorish and intellectually devoid of substance. The
question put to you about the historical relevancy of your project was a
legitimate question that I was wondering myself ( and I have  a graduate
degree in American History). There was a certain degree of concern that you
may have been a kid with an over-active imagination and a bent for
pyrotechnics. Enabling such a person would be a m***crime and a highly
irresponsible act.

      Rocket people are nothing if not responsible, just read the posts and
look between the lines and you can't miss it. No offense to you, but your
request was out of the ordinary and set off flags. Now, as is often the
case, there was no cause for alarm. But, had you been an unsupervised kid,
supplying you with too much specific information would be like putting a gun
in the hands of a would-be criminal. Note, I am not saying that you are
anything like that, only that those of us with specific knowledge that could
be used to the detriment of others, need some kind of proof that the people
we give it to will not turn around and misuse it.

     Please try an not be too defensive. People will help you once you earn
their trust. just a hint though, using abusive and profane language is not
the way to earn trust.

R. Talley
NAR 69594

 
 
 

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Post by Dick Haskin » Mon, 14 Dec 1998 04:00:00


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                  Allan Smith
                  Ayer Mass.

Allen's response only proves it was a punk kid looking to get into trouble.

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Post by HighFl.. » Tue, 15 Dec 1998 04:00:00



Quote:

>yes they do have rocket launchers.In the later part of te war in the
>pacific they used many differetnt types of armament.I asked for info on
>rockets if you dont have any dont waste yours or my ***ing time on
>telling me what the *** is on my ***ing boat.Thanks for your response
>it was a big ***ing help
>                  Allan Smith
>                  Ayer Mass.

Gees, touchy!  Just when I was about to offer some great photos of PT
boats *with* rockets too.  The PT-109 never carried rockets BTW.  But
then, we shouldn't waste your time, so don't read this.

If, however, anyone *else* would like to know, you know my e-mail
address.

Norseman Rocketry Group
Perth Advanced Rocketry Club #15
http://www.FoundCollection.com/~nitehawk/rocketry.htm

 
 
 

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Post by Kevin Purce » Tue, 15 Dec 1998 04:00:00


Howdy
 If he's new, he might have mis-understood Don's sig lines?


Quote:

>yes they do have rocket launchers.In the later part of te war in the
>pacific they used many differetnt types of armament.I asked for info on
>rockets if you dont have any dont waste yours or my ***ing time on
>telling me what the *** is on my ***ing boat.Thanks for your response
>it was a big ***ing help
>                  Allan Smith
>                  Ayer Mass.

Later
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Post by Lars » Tue, 15 Dec 1998 04:00:00


<snip snip>
"Christine! Allan's using the computer again!"
Lars
 
 
 

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Post by Helen Rapoz » Tue, 15 Dec 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

> I was wondering what the smallest rocket was and how it is launched.Im
> trying to add them to my 1/32 scale PT-109 the boat itself is 30 inches
> long.Hope to get some ideas.Thanks in advance.

The smallest flying model rocket would be either the Estes Mosquito
or the Custom Sunracer.  Both are around the 3 to 4 inch range.

However you have to keep in mind that you need to have a 32 inch
launch rod sticking out from the boat plus the blast deflector
plate.  This might cause the boat to be much lower in the water.

Plus you need to make sure that while your boat is moving in
the water that the microclips don't get disconnected from the
ignitor.

 
 
 

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Post by Chris Taylo » Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:00:00


There is NO rule anywhere in the regulations that says you NEED a 32" launch
rod or that you even NEED a launch rod at all

It only specifies that a launcher be used that provides SUfficient stability
until the rocket is stable on its own

a 3" rod is MORE than enough for a mosquito

My Quest UFO technically can be flown without a launch rod with no wind

I have done it and it is perfectly stable (No wind only) and was repeatable

I personally do not advise launching without a launch rod of at least 3feet
BUT if you can do it safetly the rules allow it !

Chris
http://www.nerys.com/rocketry/

PS to semi Quote the Rules state that need a Launch Rod "Or" Other Device to
provide Rigid Guidance until the rocket has reached a speed adequate to
ensure a safe flight

Also you do NOT need a blast deflector in this situation
It says you will use a jet deflector plate to prevent the exhaust from
directly hitting the ground

In his situation there is "no" ground therfore No Plate needed (I would have
at least Metal Ducting to prevent the Burning of the boat though :-)

Quote:


>> I was wondering what the smallest rocket was and how it is launched.Im
>> trying to add them to my 1/32 scale PT-109 the boat itself is 30 inches
>> long.Hope to get some ideas.Thanks in advance.

>The smallest flying model rocket would be either the Estes Mosquito
>or the Custom Sunracer.  Both are around the 3 to 4 inch range.

>However you have to keep in mind that you need to have a 32 inch
>launch rod sticking out from the boat plus the blast deflector
>plate.  This might cause the boat to be much lower in the water.

>Plus you need to make sure that while your boat is moving in
>the water that the microclips don't get disconnected from the
>ignitor.

 
 
 

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Post by Helen Rapoz » Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

> Also you do NOT need a blast deflector in this situation
> It says you will use a jet deflector plate to prevent the exhaust from
> directly hitting the ground

> In his situation there is "no" ground therfore No Plate needed (I would have
> at least Metal Ducting to prevent the Burning of the boat though :-)

True, there is no ground.  The purpose of the blast deflector plate
was to protect the boat from the exhaust.

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