Blanks Decal Shhets Needed

Blanks Decal Shhets Needed

Post by Dierenar » Thu, 19 Dec 1996 04:00:00



I can't seem to find any place around here that carries clear self
adhesive or water decal sheets for us in making my own decals for my
scratch built stuff that'll go through either a laser printer, photo
copier or bubble ink jet.  Yes people carry opaque sheets and the laser
labels come clear (but are too small).  Anyone out there have any ideas?

Koen

Never ask for permission, you may be told NO!

 
 
 

Blanks Decal Shhets Needed

Post by Lemuel E. Bryan » Thu, 19 Dec 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

> I can't seem to find any place around here that carries clear self
> adhesive or water decal sheets for us in making my own decals for my
> scratch built stuff that'll go through either a laser printer, photo
> copier or bubble ink jet.  Yes people carry opaque sheets and the laser
> labels come clear (but are too small).  Anyone out there have any ideas?

> Koen

> Never ask for permission, you may be told NO!

You can purchase 8 1/2 * 11 sheets of self-adhesive laminate at places
like Walmart.  It is sold to use as a plastic laminate for things like
id cards and photos.  I have used it in copiers and laser printers.  I
don't think it will work in a bubble jet though.

Lem

 
 
 

Blanks Decal Shhets Needed

Post by Chop » Fri, 20 Dec 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
> I can't seem to find any place around here that carries clear self
> adhesive or water decal sheets for us in making my own decals for my
> scratch built stuff that'll go through either a laser printer, photo
> copier or bubble ink jet.  Yes people carry opaque sheets and the laser
> labels come clear (but are too small).  Anyone out there have any ideas?

Go to a large "copy center" (ie "kinko's"), and see if they can copy onto
"repro-film" or "applique film."  Then see if they'll sell you a blank sheet
at the per-copy price (very likely!)  That's if you want one or two sheets.
If you want 50 sheets, you can talk to the mail-order printing supply houses
like "Reprint corporation" (Inkjet: 50 sheets = $39.  Assorted laser/copy
machine, about 100 sheets = $50.  Even a "white" film for color copiers
at 10 sheets = $8)  See htpp://www.reprint-draphix.com/

Also of interest (maybe): opaque white ink for plotters.

BillW

 
 
 

Blanks Decal Shhets Needed

Post by Rich » Fri, 20 Dec 1996 04:00:00




Quote:

>> I can't seem to find any place around here that carries clear self
>> adhesive or water decal sheets for us in making my own decals for my
>> scratch built stuff that'll go through either a laser printer, photo
>> copier or bubble ink jet.  Yes people carry opaque sheets and the laser
>> labels come clear (but are too small).  Anyone out there have any ideas?

>> Koen

>> Never ask for permission, you may be told NO!

Balnk decal sheets that work in laser printers are sold by a Model Railroad
supplier called" Walthers."  Most large model RR shops have a Walthers
catalog that you can order anything thru the store.  I've used them and they
work great with laser printers.  No go for bubble-jets.

Regards;
Rich O.

"When at first you DO succeed, try hard to hide your astonishment !"

 
 
 

Blanks Decal Shhets Needed

Post by Robert W. Blas » Fri, 20 Dec 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
> Balnk decal sheets that work in laser printers are sold by a Model Railroad
> supplier called" Walthers."  Most large model RR shops have a Walthers
> catalog that you can order anything thru the store.  I've used them and they
> work great with laser printers.  No go for bubble-jets.

I've heard about these laser decal sheets but I've not heard of people's
opinions on them.  I am currently using the aforementioned "repro-film" or
"applique film" -- and although it works well, I would still like to find
something that is thinner and more like a regular water-transfer decal
that comes in a kit.

So my question is... in your experience are they close to a water-transfer
decal, or do you think they are more like the "repro-film" or "applique
film"?

thanks,
-Robert

 
 
 

Blanks Decal Shhets Needed

Post by Kurt Schachne » Fri, 20 Dec 1996 04:00:00


Quote:


> > I can't seem to find any place around here that carries clear self
> > adhesive or water decal sheets for us in making my own decals for my
> > scratch built stuff that'll go through either a laser printer, photo
> > copier or bubble ink jet.  Yes people carry opaque sheets and the laser
> > labels come clear (but are too small).  Anyone out there have any ideas?

> > Koen

***********************

Koen,

Blank water transfer decal stock is available from Terminal Hobby Shop, 5619 W
Florist Ave, Milwaukee WI 53218 (414) 461-1050. This is the retail store for
Walthers. It is 8 1/2 x 11 in size, and costs about $8.00 for four sheets.
Terminal Hobby Shop is a huge model railroad model shop--it turns out that
model railroaders use a lot of decals.

I usually redraw a decal sheet in Adobe Illustrator (sometimes I use a scan
but the quality is not as good). My Orbital Tansport decals took me about
15-20 hours to redraw, although I was kind of learning the finer points of
Illustrator at the time. My Omega decals took less time, of course. my scanned
Mars Lander decals were pretty easy to do in Photoshop.

I then print out a master on a color laser printer (at Kinko's), and then
using that master, run the decal stock through a color copier. The reason I
don't run the decal stock directly through the laser printer is because the
Apple Color LaserWriter (the one at Kinko's) jams on the heavier decal stock.
Some color copiers ***on it too, but the Canon one at Kinko's works fine.
The Xerox one has a problem with it though.

You MUST coat the finished decal with Microscale Liquid Decal Film (available
from THS too). This seals in the toner--otherwise it will flake off when you
try to put the decals on your model.

One thing about these decals: This decal stock seems a bit thinner than the
normal Estes stuff, more brittle, and it takes a little practice to do a good
job. Work slowly, DON'T wipe the decal excessively, and make sure it is well
soaked and slides easily off the backing paper. Take your time and be very
gentle with the decal. Especially long thin ones.

As you may know, "real" decals are made using screen printing, with solid
color inks. I have seen hobbyist screen printing setups at a local art store,
but for my purposes, this method produces a decal that is acceptable to me.
Most people who see them say they look very nice. Toner colors are not the
same as solid color screen printing inks, but again, I am more than happy with
what I get. The only thing you absolutely cannot reproduce are white areas.

If you buy from Terminal Hobby Shop, make SURE you tell them you want their
private label 8 1/2 x 11 blank decal stock. They also sell a Microscale
product, but it is 6 x 9 or something like that.

A local art supply store (Artist and Display, here in Milwaukee) has 8 1/2 x
11 sheets of clear, very thin self-adhesive stock that comes in two types. One
is for a laser printer and the other is for ink jet printers. The stuff is
kind of expensive though.

Kurt Schachner

 
 
 

Blanks Decal Shhets Needed

Post by red.. » Fri, 20 Dec 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

> I can't seem to find any place around here that carries clear self
> adhesive or water decal sheets... Anyone out there have any ideas?

Letraset makes a product called CopyFX Gloss Self Adhesive film,
which is designed for use in copiers and printers. It works well,
but my paranoid local copy center has started refusing to run it
thru their color copiers for fear that it will overheat and ooze
glue into the machine. I see no evidence that this is a real risk,
but it makes sense to check with your local copy place before
investing heavily in materials. The stuff costs about $1/sheet
and comes in a pack of 10 sheets. I would avoid the similar
Letraset Invisible Self Adhesive film, which is a bit thinner
but comes on a stiffer backing sheet, doesn't stick as well and
costs twice as much.

Dave Redell

 
 
 

Blanks Decal Shhets Needed

Post by Rich » Sat, 21 Dec 1996 04:00:00


In article


Quote:
>> Balnk decal sheets that work in laser printers are sold by a Model
Railroad
>> supplier called" Walthers."  Most large model RR shops have a Walthers
>> catalog that you can order anything thru the store.  I've used them and
they
>> work great with laser printers.  No go for bubble-jets.

>I've heard about these laser decal sheets but I've not heard of people's
>opinions on them.  I am currently using the aforementioned "repro-film" or
>"applique film" -- and although it works well, I would still like to find
>something that is thinner and more like a regular water-transfer decal
>that comes in a kit.

>So my question is... in your experience are they close to a water-transfer
>decal, or do you think they are more like the "repro-film" or "applique
>film"?

>thanks,
>-Robert

They are thin film water decals.  I've used them on model trains and set them
into very fine details with decal solvents like Solvaset.

Regards;
Rich O.

"When at first you DO succeed, try hard to hide your astonishment !"

 
 
 

Blanks Decal Shhets Needed

Post by J. Steven Yo » Sun, 22 Dec 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>As you may know, "real" decals are made using screen printing, with solid
>color inks. I have seen hobbyist screen printing setups at a local art store,
>but for my purposes, this method produces a decal that is acceptable to me.
>Most people who see them say they look very nice. Toner colors are not the
>same as solid color screen printing inks, but again, I am more than happy with
>what I get. The only thing you absolutely cannot reproduce are white areas.

Which is the part that has me stumped.  My D-power Gemini capsule
still lacks proper decals, and of course it needs white lettering over
black.  This wouldn't be so bad, except the lettering has to wrap
around the complex curve of a shroud and would really tax my skills to
do properly by hand with transfer letters (I have enough trouble
laying them out in a straight line <G>).  So, I'd like to be able to
lay it out on the computer.  The only idea I've had so far is to
underpaint an area on the capsule white, then make a slightly oversize
decal in black and leave the lettering areas clear.  Thing is, I have
doubts that the laser printed decal will be dark enough or opaque
enough to hide the white paint underneath.  Would any of you with
decal-making experience care to venture an opinion?

I also need appropriately sized U.S. flags, but I suspect that someone
out there makes a sheet of flags in assorted sizes, and I just haven't
found them yet.  Any clues would be appreciated.

Hmmm, a last-resort idea just occurred to me.  I could print the
markings in black on the laser printer, then use them with a light-box
as a positioning guide for hand-applied transfer lettering.  Far from
ideal, but that may be what I end up doing.

Quote:
>If you buy from Terminal Hobby Shop, make SURE you tell them you want their
>private label 8 1/2 x 11 blank decal stock. They also sell a Microscale
>product, but it is 6 x 9 or something like that.
>A local art supply store (Artist and Display, here in Milwaukee) has 8 1/2 x
>11 sheets of clear, very thin self-adhesive stock that comes in two types. One
>is for a laser printer and the other is for ink jet printers. The stuff is
>kind of expensive though.
>Kurt Schachner