UP Color Schemes

UP Color Schemes

Post by Spookshow Int' » Fri, 18 Jun 1999 04:00:00



I have purchased a small collection of N-scale locomotives in UP livery,
ranging from models produced in the 1960s right up to the latest relases
from Atlas, Kato and Lifelike. And I have to say, they certainly come in a
dazzling array of colors. The UP "yellow" varies from bright canary yellow
to dark orange, including just about every shade in between. Which color is
correct? Did UP actually use different shades of yellow over the years, or
is this just  bad color matching on the part of the mfrs?

TIA,
-Mark

"Quitters never win, winners never quit, but those who never win AND never
quit are idiots"

 
 
 

UP Color Schemes

Post by Tom Madd » Fri, 18 Jun 1999 04:00:00


: I have purchased a small collection of N-scale locomotives in UP livery,
: ranging from models produced in the 1960s right up to the latest relases
: from Atlas, Kato and Lifelike. And I have to say, they certainly come in a
: dazzling array of colors. The UP "yellow" varies from bright canary yellow
: to dark orange, including just about every shade in between. Which color is
: correct? Did UP actually use different shades of yellow over the years, or
: is this just  bad color matching on the part of the mfrs?

To quote from a 1994 letter from Greg Gneier of the American Southwest
Railway Association: "When we did a sanding test on "The Little Nugget"
[club car for the 1938 City of San Francisco, now at Griffith Park in Los
Angeles], we uncovered about 20 layers of paint, including 8+ different
versions of Armour Yellow. I guess there is no truly "right" answer."

Paint manufacturers change(d) their formulations all the time, and model
paint manufacturers are no different. The UP used at least two different
versions of Autumn (a.k.a. Leaf) Brown between the introduction of the
M-10000 in 1934 and the switch to Harbor Mist Gray in 1941. Their
yellow/gray color scheme is the longest-lived one in existence, with many
different pieces of equipment going through many different paint shops.
It's not surprising there would be many variations over the years.

We're in the middle of a "paint war" on the Passenger Car mailing List.
So far, the consensus (as supported by both anecdotal and physical
evidence) says that Santa Fe Coach Green and Pullman Green are the same
paint, but that all model Pullman Greens are too dark and not "olive"
enough. Now, we're into SOO Line Maroon and PRR/N&W passenger Tuscan.

A fellow could drive himself crazy with it all!

Tom

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Post by PFloyd » Fri, 18 Jun 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
>Did UP actually use different shades of yellow over the years, or
>is this just  bad color matching on the part of the mfrs?

You hit the nail on the head ----- 'sounds as if you need to do some
re-painting or selective weathering to try and tone down, or even out the
colors.

To date, the best match for Armour Yellow and Harbormist Gray that I've seen is
by Modelflex. Floquil's gray tends to be a bit warm and to the brown side. So
far everything I've painted with Modelflex has passed the "color test" by even
the most ardent UP modelers.

Good Luck,
John

 
 
 

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Post by Steve Ka » Fri, 18 Jun 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

> >Did UP actually use different shades of yellow over the years, or
> >is this just  bad color matching on the part of the mfrs?

> You hit the nail on the head ----- 'sounds as if you need to do some
> re-painting or selective weathering to try and tone down, or even out the
> colors.

> To date, the best match for Armour Yellow and Harbormist Gray that I've seen is
> by Modelflex. Floquil's gray tends to be a bit warm and to the brown side. So
> far everything I've painted with Modelflex has passed the "color test" by even
> the most ardent UP modelers.

> Good Luck,
> John

I have not seen Modelflex paint applied, but Scalecoat Armour Yellow and
Harbormist Gray match the chips I recieved from the UP EXACTLY.  I have
not noticed any differenct between Scalecoat I & II colors.  By the way,
these paints dry glossy--very handy if you're going to decal!!

Steve in Cleve

 
 
 

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Post by jale » Fri, 18 Jun 1999 04:00:00



Quote:

>> >Did UP actually use different shades of yellow over the years, or
>> >is this just  bad color matching on the part of the mfrs?

Setting aside the "Color Realism, Accuracy, & Precision (CRAP)" discussions,
the shade of yellow used for "Armour Yellow" by the various model
manufacturers is, in many cases, just plain wrong.  Many manufacturers use
paints that are too orange, and others use too intense a yellow (akin to TTX
yellow).  Short of repainting, your best bet is to weather the equipment to
tone down the incorrect colors.  In the case of the orange paint, use a light
colored weathering, such as white chalk dust.

Some amount of color variation is prototypical (as many will attest), but the
deep orange used by IHC on their diesels is just plain wrong.

Regards,

-Jeff

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Post by Miracle Castings In » Sat, 19 Jun 1999 04:00:00



Quote:

>To date, the best match for Armour Yellow and Harbormist Gray that I've seen is
>by Modelflex. Floquil's gray tends to be a bit warm and to the brown side. So
>far everything I've painted with Modelflex has passed the "color test" by even
>the most ardent UP modelers.

>Good Luck,
>John

Hi!  To see an example of these two paints in action, try our web
pages where we have photos of one of our Erie-built models painted up
in UP.  The pages are at http://mc.cyklon.com/erie.htm   I agree that
they appear to be quite accurate.

Regards,

Pat Lawless
Miracle Castings Inc.

 
 
 

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Post by Jim Hi » Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

>I have not seen Modelflex paint applied, but Scalecoat Armour Yellow and
>Harbormist Gray match the chips I recieved from the UP EXACTLY.

While I agree that Scalecoat paints are a good match for UP colors (and I have
used it almost exclusively) I cannot agree with the method you've suggested
for "matching" model paints to prototype colors.

The problem is that--in real life--you view the prototype in sunlight and you
view your models indoors under artificial light. What you really want is a
model paint that looks the same under artificial light as the prototype looks
in sunlight. Absent some scientific measuring device, this is always going to
be a judgment call . . . as in "It looks right to me".

Further, the official "paint chips" from the Union Pacific will vary since
they don't always use the same brand of paint. And then there's the fact that
the colors of prototype equipment start to lighten with exposure to the sun
and weather the moment they leave the paint shop.

Then then there's the problem of compatibility with your other equipment. If
you've already got a number of factory painted models of UP passenger cars, do
you want to paint that dome car you just scratchbuilt in "correct" colors even
if they're visibly different from the colors of the rest of your passenger
fleet?

Jim Hill
Madison WI

 
 
 

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Post by Spookshow Int' » Thu, 01 Jul 1999 04:00:00


How bad are the colors on the N-scale Life-Like SD7/9? The gray is a lot
darker than I've seen on any other models, and the trucks and fuel tank are
simply black. Is that correct?

Thanks,
-Mark

 
 
 

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Post by Lindy91 » Fri, 02 Jul 1999 04:00:00


I think the UP colors on the lIfe LIke SD7/9 look fine. Just remember they all
are not all painted out of the same can of paint, some fade faster than others
etc.

Close does count...

Dave
in Kansas

 
 
 

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Post by Spookshow Int' » Fri, 02 Jul 1999 04:00:00


Including the black trucks? I thought they were supposed to either be silver
or gray...?

-Mark

Quote:

>I think the UP colors on the lIfe LIke SD7/9 look fine. Just remember they
all
>are not all painted out of the same can of paint, some fade faster than
others
>etc.

>Close does count...

>Dave
>in Kansas

 
 
 

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Post by TOM » Fri, 02 Jul 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

> I think the UP colors on the lIfe LIke SD7/9 look fine. Just remember they all
> are not all painted out of the same can of paint, some fade faster than others
> etc.

> Close does count...

> Dave
> in Kansas

Ah keep tellin' ya: Yeller and Gray, that's all you gotta know... :>))

Oops, throw in a bottle of red too, any shade...

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Post by John Tim » Sat, 03 Jul 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

>How bad are the colors on the N-scale Life-Like SD7/9? The gray is a lot
>darker than I've seen on any other models, and the trucks and fuel tank are
>simply black. Is that correct?

>Thanks,
>-Mark

Mark,

As a long-time UP modeler (in HO), it seems as though nobody has ever really
gotten the right shade of grey.  I've noticed variations even from the same
manufacturer.

John Timm