DCC-Ready

DCC-Ready

Post by Christopher Glaese » Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:28:49



What does DCC-Ready imply regarding HO locos and sound?  Does it mean the
loco has a speaker and all that is needed is a DCC decoder, or is it
necessary to add both the decoder and speaker?

Best,
Christopher

 
 
 

DCC-Ready

Post by Bruce Favinge » Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:18:43


Christopher,
It will vary depending on the locomotive and manufacturer. It could
mean............

1. That the motor is isolated
2. It has a plug for the decoder to pop right in
3. It has a decoder already installed
4. In the case of BLI locomotives and the HO Lionel Challenger and I think
the latest     Trix Big Boy it means that  a power/sound decoder and speaker
already installed.

Most DCC ready locomotives even if they have a decoder do not have a sound
decoder or a speaker installed but more and more they will. Soundtraxx makes
decoders that have sound and power in one decoder. Check out Loys Toys and
Tony's Train Exchange web sites. They both have good info on DCC products.
Tony's also sells quite a few different locomotives with regular decoders
and or power/sound decoders already installed if you want a locomotive
that's ready to run with DCC.

If you have not decided on a DCC system yet keep in mind that BLI  products
will run on both DCC and DC with sound. The Lionel Challenger will too. I'm
not sure about the Trix Big Boy.

Bruce


Quote:
> What does DCC-Ready imply regarding HO locos and sound?  Does it mean the
> loco has a speaker and all that is needed is a DCC decoder, or is it
> necessary to add both the decoder and speaker?

> Best,
> Christopher


 
 
 

DCC-Ready

Post by Pac Ma » Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:21:40



Quote:
> What does DCC-Ready imply regarding HO locos and sound?  Does it mean the
> loco has a speaker and all that is needed is a DCC decoder, or is it
> necessary to add both the decoder and speaker?

    "DCC Ready" means whatever the manufacturer wants it to mean.  I could
be as simple as a plug-n-play operation, or it could mean a solder job.
There really is no set standard for what "DCC Ready" means.
    However, most times when that lable is applied, it means that some
thought has gone into the loco design to make the installation of the
decoder easier.
    It reminds me of old brass steam engines.  Some of them were built to be
"sound ready" with the then-new PFM sound system.  All they did was drill
holes in the floor of the tender for the speaker and put a timing chuck on
one of the drivers.  You had to do all the work after that.
    Some DCC installations are like that.  Others are real simple.  Pay
attention to groups like this or others that offer good advice on new
products.  And, of course, keep asking questions...

Paul A. Cutler III
*************
Weather Or No Go New Haven
*************

 
 
 

DCC-Ready

Post by Frank Ev » Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:45:08


Quote:

> It will vary depending on the locomotive and manufacturer. It could
> mean............

> 1. That the motor is isolated
> 2. It has a plug for the decoder to pop right in
> 3. It has a decoder already installed
> 4. In the case of BLI locomotives and the HO Lionel Challenger and I think
> the latest     Trix Big Boy it means that  a power/sound decoder and
speaker
> already installed.

In my experience, DCC-ready has never meant that a decoder is installed.
This to me is "DCC-equipped". I don't think I've ever seen BLI use either
expression - they simply explain what their models contain.

--
Frank Eva
http://www.trainweb.org/digitalrailroader/

 
 
 

DCC-Ready

Post by Christopher Glaese » Mon, 26 Jan 2004 07:56:19


Quote:
> Most DCC ready locomotives even if they have a decoder do not have a sound
> decoder or a speaker installed but more and more they will.

Thanks for the quick response.  What about the following example ...

Bachmann Spectrum 2-8-0 Consolidation Steam Powered - DCC w/Sound Decoder.
Does this imply a speaker is included and installed?

Does Athearn have any HO locos with speakers installed?

Also, what about couplers?  My brother has two Lionel TMCC locos and they
include DCC command, sound, and couplers.  Are there some examples of HO
locos that include DCC couplers?

Best,
Christopher

 
 
 

DCC-Ready

Post by Bruce Favinge » Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:17:37


Christopher,

Quote:
> Bachmann Spectrum 2-8-0 Consolidation Steam Powered - DCC w/Sound Decoder.
> Does this imply a speaker is included and installed?

Probably does. Double check but if the loco comes with a sound decoder
installed the speaker should be too.

Quote:
> Does Athearn have any HO locos with speakers installed?

I don't know. Atlas does though.

Quote:
> Also, what about couplers?  My brother has two Lionel TMCC locos and they
> include DCC command, sound, and couplers.  Are there some examples of HO
> locos that include DCC couplers?

DCC couplers are a fairly new thing. Tony's Train Exchange has some
available IIRC for P2K SW switchers already installed. Best bet for couplers
is Kadee. These use under the track magnets to uncouple and will couple
automaticly when pushed together.

Bruce

 
 
 

DCC-Ready

Post by Froggy » Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:31:40


Quote:

>> Most DCC ready locomotives even if they have a decoder do not have a sound
>> decoder or a speaker installed but more and more they will.

>Thanks for the quick response.  What about the following example ...

>Bachmann Spectrum 2-8-0 Consolidation Steam Powered - DCC w/Sound Decoder.
>Does this imply a speaker is included and installed?

>Does Athearn have any HO locos with speakers installed?

>Also, what about couplers?  My brother has two Lionel TMCC locos and they
>include DCC command, sound, and couplers.  Are there some examples of HO
>locos that include DCC couplers?

>Best,
>Christopher

DCC has nothing to do with either speakers or sound. I cannot imagine why anyone
wants sound in a model locomotive. It does not sound like a real locomotive and is
very annoying blasting out all over the railroad room.  This whole sound idea is
unsound IMO.

...................F>
Golden Silence, GA.

 
 
 

DCC-Ready

Post by Bruce Favinge » Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:56:13


Ok Frank..........if you want to pick nits you are correct. So I will too. I
said "could mean". I did not say "did mean". Christopher's experience with
DCC is brand new.  My response to him was a complete answer to his real
question not a text book definition of the term "DCC ready" because that
would not have answered the real question. You are right in the difference
between "DCC Ready" and "DCC Equipped" and BLI not using either term. Bruce
Quote:

> In my experience, DCC-ready has never meant that a decoder is installed.
> This to me is "DCC-equipped". I don't think I've ever seen BLI use either
> expression - they simply explain what their models contain.

> --
> Frank Eva
> http://www.trainweb.org/digitalrailroader/

 
 
 

DCC-Ready

Post by Paul Newhou » Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:32:07




Quote:

> DCC has nothing to do with either speakers or sound. I cannot imagine why anyone
> wants sound in a model locomotive. It does not sound like a real locomotive and is
> very annoying blasting out all over the railroad room.  This whole sound idea is
> unsound IMO.

IMO, most model sounds are way too loud.  Cutting them by more than
half (so you have to be within a few feet to hear it) is somewhat
interesting to me.  Especially, during a show.  I don't care for it
when I can hear it from the opposite end of the layout.

And all the diesel engine sound I've heard is bad, really, REALLY BAD.
Scratchy, too high pitched (I don't care if it's correctly scaled up,
I don't like it ... horn & bell I like).

Paul
--
Working the Rockie Road of the G&PX

 
 
 

DCC-Ready

Post by Christopher Glaese » Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:40:21


Quote:
> IMO, most model sounds are way too loud.  Cutting them by more than
> half (so you have to be within a few feet to hear it) is somewhat
> interesting to me.

Lionel TMCC has this feature via remote command.  I always set it low, and
for Froggy, they include a zero volume setting.

Best,
Christopher

 
 
 

DCC-Ready

Post by Hzak » Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:14:53


Quote:
>I cannot imagine why anyone
>wants sound in a model locomotive. It does not sound like a real locomotive
>and is
>very annoying blasting out all over the railroad room.  This whole sound
>idea is
>unsound IMO.

A sure-fire way to torture Froggy: lock him in a room, bound and gagged, with
sound-equipped locos running on a loop of track, with their sound turned all
the way up.

Just kidding, Froggy! :-)

Dieter Zakas
Imitation Sound, NJ

 
 
 

DCC-Ready

Post by Bruce Favinge » Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:33:37


Froggy,

We know you don't like sound in models.
We know you loath glad hands and magnets.
We know you don't care much for narrow gauge.

How about a great looking blond who is mute, carries a hand full of bamboo
skewers and has Santa Fe tattooed on her ass? Would you like that?

Anyway did you ever find any pictures or info on those Magnolia or
cottonseed tank cars? I still can't find my pictures. They appear to have
gone into the same back hole that small dropped parts do. If you come up
with somthing let me know and I will do the same. Bruce



Quote:
> On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:56:19 -0800, "Christopher Glaeser"

> >> Most DCC ready locomotives even if they have a decoder do not have a
sound
> >> decoder or a speaker installed but more and more they will.

> >Thanks for the quick response.  What about the following example ...

> >Bachmann Spectrum 2-8-0 Consolidation Steam Powered - DCC w/Sound
Decoder.
> >Does this imply a speaker is included and installed?

> >Does Athearn have any HO locos with speakers installed?

> >Also, what about couplers?  My brother has two Lionel TMCC locos and they
> >include DCC command, sound, and couplers.  Are there some examples of HO
> >locos that include DCC couplers?

> >Best,
> >Christopher

> DCC has nothing to do with either speakers or sound. I cannot imagine why
anyone
> wants sound in a model locomotive. It does not sound like a real
locomotive and is
> very annoying blasting out all over the railroad room.  This whole sound
idea is
> unsound IMO.

> ...................F>
> Golden Silence, GA.

 
 
 

DCC-Ready

Post by Dave Mitto » Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:30:13


Quote:

>Does Athearn have any HO locos with speakers installed?

No.

And the Athearn SD50 is supposedly DCC-ready, but the motor is typically not
isolated properly.

Dave.

 
 
 

DCC-Ready

Post by Frank Ev » Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:28:42



Quote:
> Bachmann Spectrum 2-8-0 Consolidation Steam Powered - DCC w/Sound Decoder.
> Does this imply a speaker is included and installed?

Yes, Bachmann did a limited run of leftover engines in which they had
SoundTraxx decoders and speakers installed. One wholesaler told me they did
not sell well...

Quote:
> Does Athearn have any HO locos with speakers installed?

Not at this time, but their upcoming Challenger will.
--
Frank Eva
http://www.trainweb.org/digitalrailroader/
 
 
 

DCC-Ready

Post by Frank Ev » Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:30:45



Quote:
> And all the diesel engine sound I've heard is bad, really, REALLY BAD.
> Scratchy, too high pitched (I don't care if it's correctly scaled up,
> I don't like it ... horn & bell I like).

Scratchiness (and perhaps high pitch) is a product of installing a really
cheap speaker. I did an install with a 1watt rectangular speaker and a
custom baffle in a GP9 and it sounds really terrific. Much better than my
first try, which simply used an 8ohm round speaker.

--
Frank Eva
http://www.trainweb.org/digitalrailroader/