Routing Program/Simulated Operations

Routing Program/Simulated Operations

Post by Robert D. Taylo » Wed, 29 Nov 2000 04:00:00



First post here, folks so please bear with me.  Dad and I have recently
finished our layout to the point where we can run the thing.  We've modeled
it after the local area where Dad grew up complete with the Industries and
businesses of the day.  We've also collected various types of rolling stock
to complement these industries.  Now the hard part.  We'd like to operate
the railroad as realistically as possible.
    What we're looking for is a computer program that will allow us to
simulate operations.  I'd like to input the data for the various industries
such as siding capacity, delivery types, etc.  Then I'd like to input data
relative to the available rolling stock.  From all of this data, I would
like to get routing assignments for a particular train. ie:  Take this car
to industry X, pick up car Z and take to industry Y.  Does this make sense?
    I would like a freeware program if available that will allow the above.
Please provide sites for download or links to available software.  TIA.
I/We certainly would appreciate any help provided.  We're looking forward to
"playing with" our trains.
 
 
 

Routing Program/Simulated Operations

Post by Steve Lync » Wed, 29 Nov 2000 04:00:00


Try Mad River & Big Timber waybills program:
http://www.go.com/?win=_search&sv=M6&lk=noframes&nh=10&ud9=IE5&qt=mad...
%26+big+timber&oq=&url=http%3A//home.att.net/%7Ecycleriders/Mad_River_Waybil
l.htm&ti=Hi+and+welcome+to+my+web+page.+My+name+is+Lee+Solomon+and+I+dabble+
in+programming.+The+...&top=

Yup the long, but the program should get you started. SL



Quote:
> First post here, folks so please bear with me.  Dad and I have recently
> finished our layout to the point where we can run the thing.  We've
modeled
> it after the local area where Dad grew up complete with the Industries and
> businesses of the day.  We've also collected various types of rolling
stock
> to complement these industries.  Now the hard part.  We'd like to operate
> the railroad as realistically as possible.
>     What we're looking for is a computer program that will allow us to
> simulate operations.  I'd like to input the data for the various
industries
> such as siding capacity, delivery types, etc.  Then I'd like to input data
> relative to the available rolling stock.  From all of this data, I would
> like to get routing assignments for a particular train. ie:  Take this car
> to industry X, pick up car Z and take to industry Y.  Does this make
sense?
>     I would like a freeware program if available that will allow the
above.
> Please provide sites for download or links to available software.  TIA.
> I/We certainly would appreciate any help provided.  We're looking forward
to
> "playing with" our trains.


 
 
 

Routing Program/Simulated Operations

Post by Donald Kinne » Thu, 30 Nov 2000 04:00:00



Quote:
> Try Mad River & Big Timber waybills program:

http://www.go.com/?win=_search&sv=M6&lk=noframes&nh=10&ud9=I
E5&qt=mad+river+
%26+big+timber&oq=&url=http%3A//home.att.net/%7Ecycleriders/
Mad_River_Waybil
l.htm&ti=Hi+and+welcome+to+my+web+page.+My+name+is+Lee+Solom
on+and+I+dabble+
Quote:
> in+programming.+The+...&top=

> Yup the long, but the program should get you started. SL

Just to help out; this is a shorter version of the link:-)

http://home.att.net/%7Ecycleriders/Mad_River_Waybill.htm

--
Donald
Haggis RR FAQ Maintainer
http://members.nbci.com/djkinney/index.html

 
 
 

Routing Program/Simulated Operations

Post by Mike Tennen » Thu, 30 Nov 2000 04:00:00



Quote:
>    I would like a freeware program if available that will allow the above.
>Please provide sites for download or links to available software.  TIA.
>I/We certainly would appreciate any help provided.  We're looking forward to
>"playing with" our trains.

I've written several varieties of waybill programs for myself, so I
was interested in seeing what the program that Steve pointed you to
looked like.

Hey, I'm impressed. It's simple to set up and easy to understand. It
doesn't select and track individual cars all around your layout,
doesn't have the bells and whistles of a commercial program, but for a
lot of folks, it'll do fine.

The system's premise is easy to grasp, so you'll be up and operating
in a minimum of time and still have a nice level of realism. I sat
down and created an imaginary layout and had printed waybills 15
minutes after installing. That's outstanding.

If you feel the need for more detail later, you can move up to
something like Ship It.

Mike Tennent
"IronPenguin"
Operating Traffic Lights
HO and N Scale
http://www.catalog.com/webrun/ipe

 
 
 

Routing Program/Simulated Operations

Post by Robert D. Taylo » Thu, 30 Nov 2000 04:00:00


Thanks, guys.  Dad and I will try this one.  Have also heard of "Railstar".
Anyone else heard/used it?  How might it compare?  Would appreciate any
input.  Thanks again.

Quote:

> >    I would like a freeware program if available that will allow the
above.
> >Please provide sites for download or links to available software.  TIA.
> >I/We certainly would appreciate any help provided.  We're looking forward
to
> >"playing with" our trains.

> I've written several varieties of waybill programs for myself, so I
> was interested in seeing what the program that Steve pointed you to
> looked like.

> Hey, I'm impressed. It's simple to set up and easy to understand. It
> doesn't select and track individual cars all around your layout,
> doesn't have the bells and whistles of a commercial program, but for a
> lot of folks, it'll do fine.

> The system's premise is easy to grasp, so you'll be up and operating
> in a minimum of time and still have a nice level of realism. I sat
> down and created an imaginary layout and had printed waybills 15
> minutes after installing. That's outstanding.

> If you feel the need for more detail later, you can move up to
> something like Ship It.

> Mike Tennent
> "IronPenguin"
> Operating Traffic Lights
> HO and N Scale
> http://www.catalog.com/webrun/ipe

 
 
 

Routing Program/Simulated Operations

Post by Steve Lync » Thu, 30 Nov 2000 04:00:00


Thanks Don, The other URL was scary <G>

<snip>

Quote:

> Just to help out; this is a shorter version of the link:-)

> http://home.att.net/%7Ecycleriders/Mad_River_Waybill.htm

> --
> Donald
> Haggis RR FAQ Maintainer
> http://members.nbci.com/djkinney/index.html

 
 
 

Routing Program/Simulated Operations

Post by Pac Ma » Sat, 02 Dec 2000 04:00:00


<snip>

Quote:
>Hey, I'm impressed. It's simple to set up and easy to understand. It
>doesn't select and track individual cars all around your layout,
>doesn't have the bells and whistles of a commercial program, but for a
>lot of folks, it'll do fine.

    Actually, it's better than that.  :-)  It's made for clubs, and our club
liked it enough to have Lee Solomon (the programmer) modify it for our use.
Our method of operations (car card & waybill) has to be very flexible
(because of members' cars appearing and disappearing from month to month),
and commercial "switch list" generators are too restrictive for our use (we
would have spent hours just adding and removing cars every month), not to
mention we'd have to s***our popular car card & waybill operations.
However, even the MRBT program printed a "switch list" more than a waybill.
    So, we asked him to modify his print out.  Our custom program now prints
out 2" x 2" waybills that fit into the clear pocket on our 3" x 5" car card.
The waybill shows From, To, VIA, Class Code (eg. XM, RS, etc.) and Lading.
All we have to fill out is From and Lading.  This is a vast improvement over
what we used to do.  And besides, I like being a business agent ("Hey,
'Western Car Loading' needs two empty boxcars.  Where can I find'em?  OK,
there's one."), rather than the "confuser" doing it for me.

Quote:
>The system's premise is easy to grasp, so you'll be up and operating
>in a minimum of time and still have a nice level of realism. I sat
>down and created an imaginary layout and had printed waybills 15
>minutes after installing. That's outstanding.

Yeah, it's a sweet little program.  And there are a few more tricks you can
pull with it.  For instance, if a factory gets four times as many boxcars
(XM) as reefers (RS), simply enter XM four times and RS once in the "cars to
be used" field.  Neat and simple.

Quote:
>If you feel the need for more detail later, you can move up to
>something like Ship It.

Not us.  <grin>  This has probably the only computer program that is
compatible with the ol' standard, car cards & waybills, which we are loathe
to leave (at least, I am).  ^_^

Paul A. Cutler III
South Shore Model Railway Club
Hingham, MA

 
 
 

Routing Program/Simulated Operations

Post by tshry.. » Sat, 02 Dec 2000 04:00:00


I'd like to add my two cents in case someone is looking for
alternatives like I was.

I too found the MRBT program to be excellent, easy and FREE! I had
looked at the various computer programs available, and while I liked
ShipIt the best, it still looked like I was going to spend too much
time balancing databases and such rather than running trains.

I liked the traditional car card system too, but didn't like the
somewhat static nature of the waybills. But it was important to me to
know the lading of each car, because that's something I enjoy knowing.
My solution was to combine the MRBT program and the car card concept.

In place of the MRBT car types, I used ladings instead. For example, I
deleted "boxcar" and replaced it with "chemicals". I added all the
commodities shipped on my pike. Now, the MRBT, with its "controlled"
randomness, acts as the "order generator."
It generates a list of my industries and what commodities they need.
For example: The program might tell me that King Richard Brewery has
ordered a carload of bottles. Bottles on my layout originate at a glass
plant in Chicago. I go to the Chicago yard, find a card for an empty
boxcar, and have it routed to the glassworks.

My car cards have two plastic slots to hold standard business cards. I
have printed cards for each industry and each lading. In the bottle
example, the card would have a "glassworks" card placed in the
destination slot, with a "King Richard Brewery" placed beneath the
glassworks card. When the car arrives at the glassworks, that card is
removed, revealing the final destination, and a lading card of
"bottles" is inserted into the second slot. When the car arrives at the
brewery, the lading card is removed along with the destination, and the
car is routed back to its home yard via information on the car card
itself.

This works well for my medium-sized pike. There's a bit of work on the
front end, but it works for me. I also use it for offboard traffic as
well. If anyone wants more detail, please e-mail me offlist and I'll
explain it better.

Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

 
 
 

Routing Program/Simulated Operations

Post by Frank A. Rosenbau » Sat, 02 Dec 2000 04:00:00


This sounds like something I would like to try. What is the file name, and
where can I download it from?

--
Frank R.

The train club I belong to is the Gratiot Valley. See us at:
http://www.michvhf.com/~gvrr

If at first you don't succeed, throw it in the spare parts box.
Thanks to Lindy9113

Quote:

> I'd like to add my two cents in case someone is looking for
> alternatives like I was.

> I too found the MRBT program to be excellent, easy and FREE! I had
> looked at the various computer programs available, and while I liked
> ShipIt the best, it still looked like I was going to spend too much
> time balancing databases and such rather than running trains.

> I liked the traditional car card system too, but didn't like the
> somewhat static nature of the waybills. But it was important to me to
> know the lading of each car, because that's something I enjoy knowing.
> My solution was to combine the MRBT program and the car card concept.

> In place of the MRBT car types, I used ladings instead. For example, I
> deleted "boxcar" and replaced it with "chemicals". I added all the
> commodities shipped on my pike. Now, the MRBT, with its "controlled"
> randomness, acts as the "order generator."
> It generates a list of my industries and what commodities they need.
> For example: The program might tell me that King Richard Brewery has
> ordered a carload of bottles. Bottles on my layout originate at a glass
> plant in Chicago. I go to the Chicago yard, find a card for an empty
> boxcar, and have it routed to the glassworks.

> My car cards have two plastic slots to hold standard business cards. I
> have printed cards for each industry and each lading. In the bottle
> example, the card would have a "glassworks" card placed in the
> destination slot, with a "King Richard Brewery" placed beneath the
> glassworks card. When the car arrives at the glassworks, that card is
> removed, revealing the final destination, and a lading card of
> "bottles" is inserted into the second slot. When the car arrives at the
> brewery, the lading card is removed along with the destination, and the
> car is routed back to its home yard via information on the car card
> itself.

> This works well for my medium-sized pike. There's a bit of work on the
> front end, but it works for me. I also use it for offboard traffic as
> well. If anyone wants more detail, please e-mail me offlist and I'll
> explain it better.

> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

 
 
 

Routing Program/Simulated Operations

Post by Steve Lync » Mon, 04 Dec 2000 14:04:15


http://home.att.net/%7Ecycleriders/Mad_River_Waybill.htm

sl

 
 
 

Routing Program/Simulated Operations

Post by Mike Tennen » Tue, 05 Dec 2000 04:00:00


<snip>

Quote:
>    So, we asked him to modify his print out.  Our custom program now prints
>out 2" x 2" waybills that fit into the clear pocket on our 3" x 5" car card.
>The waybill shows From, To, VIA, Class Code (eg. XM, RS, etc.) and Lading.
>All we have to fill out is From and Lading.  This is a vast improvement over
>what we used to do.  And besides, I like being a business agent ("Hey,
>'Western Car Loading' needs two empty boxcars.  Where can I find'em?  OK,
>there's one."), rather than the "confuser" doing it for me.

Let me see if I have this... Instead of the single switch list, your
special version prints out individual waybills with the same info -
then you manually match that with a specific car on the layout and put
that card into the car's "car card," right?

It says a lot for the programmer that he would do that for you.

Any chance I could get a copy of your version, too?

<snip>

Quote:

>Yeah, it's a sweet little program.  And there are a few more tricks you can
>pull with it.  For instance, if a factory gets four times as many boxcars
>(XM) as reefers (RS), simply enter XM four times and RS once in the "cars to
>be used" field.  Neat and simple.

Thanks for that tip.

Mike Tennent
"IronPenguin"
Operating Traffic Lights
HO and N Scale
http://www.catalog.com/webrun/ipe

 
 
 

Routing Program/Simulated Operations

Post by Mike Tennen » Tue, 05 Dec 2000 04:00:00


Quote:

>In place of the MRBT car types, I used ladings instead. For example, I
>deleted "boxcar" and replaced it with "chemicals". I added all the
>commodities shipped on my pike. Now, the MRBT, with its "controlled"
>randomness, acts as the "order generator."

What a neat idea. I'll have to think a while about which of the
variations mentioned so far that I'll use.

<snip>

Quote:
>This works well for my medium-sized pike. There's a bit of work on the
>front end, but it works for me. I also use it for offboard traffic as
>well. If anyone wants more detail, please e-mail me offlist and I'll
>explain it better.

Your explanation was quite clear to me. Thanks for posting it.

Mike Tennent
"IronPenguin"
Operating Traffic Lights
HO and N Scale
http://www.catalog.com/webrun/ipe

 
 
 

Routing Program/Simulated Operations

Post by Mike Tennen » Tue, 05 Dec 2000 04:00:00



Quote:
>This sounds like something I would like to try. What is the file name, and
>where can I download it from?

Hi:

It's at:

http://home.att.net/~cycleriders/Mad_River_Waybill.htm

Mike Tennent
"IronPenguin"
Operating Traffic Lights
HO and N Scale
http://www.catalog.com/webrun/ipe

 
 
 

Routing Program/Simulated Operations

Post by Frank A. Rosenbau » Tue, 05 Dec 2000 04:00:00


Thanks! I got it. Cute site too.

--
Frank R.

The train club I belong to is the Gratiot Valley. See us at:
http://chives.michvhf.com/~gvrr/index.htm

If at first you don't succeed, throw it in the spare parts box.
Thanks to Lindy9113


Quote:

> >This sounds like something I would like to try. What is the file name,
and
> >where can I download it from?

> Hi:

> It's at:

> http://home.att.net/~cycleriders/Mad_River_Waybill.htm

> Mike Tennent
> "IronPenguin"
> Operating Traffic Lights
> HO and N Scale
> http://www.catalog.com/webrun/ipe

 
 
 

Routing Program/Simulated Operations

Post by Pac Ma » Tue, 05 Dec 2000 04:00:00


Quote:
>Let me see if I have this... Instead of the single switch list, your
>special version prints out individual waybills with the same info -
>then you manually match that with a specific car on the layout and put
>that card into the car's "car card," right?

Something like that.  The whole thing is more complex, but yeah that's the
general idea.

Quote:
>It says a lot for the programmer that he would do that for you.

Umm, I see I forgot to mention something.  When we originally asked him
about it, we said we'd be willing to pay for it, so he asked for $60.  I
figured what the heck?  If it works as advertized, we'd be saving hours of
work every time we operate.  Besides, I can't program in C++ (or whatever he
used) to save my life.  I still think it was a good deal.

Quote:
>Any chance I could get a copy of your version, too?

Ours has been modified a bit.  For instance, it says "East Coast Lines" on
every waybill (our home road).  Why don't you ask Lee Solomon for it?  After
all, he's already been paid for the R&D.  :-)  Contact him at:

Paul A. Cutler III