S.P. DAYLIGHT #4449 (S.P. 4-8-4 GS-4)

S.P. DAYLIGHT #4449 (S.P. 4-8-4 GS-4)

Post by Fred Dabne » Wed, 22 Dec 1999 04:00:00




Quote:
> I'm new to model railroading and looking for this train. It's the black,
> yellow and
> orange S.P. DAYLIGHT #4449 (4-8-4  GS-4). Does anyone know if it has ever
> been made and, if so, which company makes it?

In what scale?  Aside from scads of brass models, painted and unpainted,
Bachmann has had it in HO plastic, and the same model was offered in the
"American Freedom Train" scheme by Lionel HO back during the Bicentennial
period.

Fred D.

 
 
 

S.P. DAYLIGHT #4449 (S.P. 4-8-4 GS-4)

Post by RBM » Thu, 23 Dec 1999 04:00:00


I'm new to model railroading and looking for this train. It's the black,
yellow and
orange S.P. DAYLIGHT #4449 (4-8-4  GS-4). Does anyone know if it has ever
been made and, if so, which company makes it?

RBM

 
 
 

S.P. DAYLIGHT #4449 (S.P. 4-8-4 GS-4)

Post by Ernie Fis » Thu, 23 Dec 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

> I'm new to model railroading and looking for this train. It's the black,
> yellow and
> orange S.P. DAYLIGHT #4449 (4-8-4  GS-4). Does anyone know if it has ever
> been made and, if so, which company makes it?

You'll never find it if you are looking for black, yellow and orange.
It is black,
red and orange.  Fred has given you the makers.

ernie fisch

 
 
 

S.P. DAYLIGHT #4449 (S.P. 4-8-4 GS-4)

Post by Tutor Helpe » Thu, 23 Dec 1999 04:00:00


Bachmann makes it in not only the Daylight scheme (those wonderful yellow and
oranges) but also in the Freedom train scheme. Thumb through Model Railroader
and you'll see a couple of ads for it. The Freedom version is a red, white
and blue scheme that is pretty nice looking, too.

Here's hoping you're looking for it in HO!  :)

Tutor

Quote:

> I'm new to model railroading and looking for this train. It's the black,
> yellow and
> orange S.P. DAYLIGHT #4449 (4-8-4  GS-4). Does anyone know if it has ever
> been made and, if so, which company makes it?

> RBM

 
 
 

S.P. DAYLIGHT #4449 (S.P. 4-8-4 GS-4)

Post by Pete » Fri, 24 Dec 1999 04:00:00


Bachmann makes it in not only the Daylight scheme (those wonderful yellow and
oranges) but also in the Freedom train scheme. Thumb through Model Railroader
and you'll see a couple of ads for it. The Freedom version is a red, white
and blue scheme that is pretty nice looking, too.

In addition to the above, Bachmann makes this in the so-called "War Baby"
paint, which is a good stand-in for a Western Pacific GS-66 (481 class).

This model was once made in a Western Pacific 481 class paint as well.

Incredibly, Bachmann actually painted this model in Chesie System colors, too.

If you remove the twin light smokebox front and substutute a PSC GS-2 smokebox
front, you'll have a nearly perfect stand-in for a GS-6 (SP) or a GS-66 (WP).

The Bachmann GS-4 model is actually closer to the dimensions correct for a GS-2
than it is for a GS-4.

The crankpin design is fatally flawed on this and other Bachmann 4-8-4 engines.

This fatal flaw can be corrected by using my Bachmann crankpin modification.

See:

http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=292656604

which is the index for:

Bachmann Eccentric Crankpin Repair/Modification Procedure (Revised)
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Revised 11/25/97: Manufacturer's part numbers included, if known; prices, if
stated, are not necessarily current.
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Required tools:
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1) 0-80 drill and tap set,
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2) hex driver for #0 hex head machine screw,
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3) (optional) Bowser rivet setting tool.
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Required supplies:
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1) two (2) each, 0-80 hex head machine screw, 1/4-inches long (or 5/16-inch,
your choice ... I use 5/16-inch and then trim any projection past the inside of
the driver disk using a Dremel tool with a small cut-off disk),
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2) two (2) each, #1 flat washer,
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3) two (2) each, Mantua or Bowser eccentric crank,
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4) two (2) each, Mantua or Bowser eccentric crank rivet.
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Recommended Sources/Part Numbers:
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Bowser Eccentric Crank: P/N 9870 (priced each, $0.45 each)
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Bowser Rivet: P/N 67010 (priced by package of 20, $1.50/package)
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Bowser 0-80 X 5/16" Hex Head Machine Screw: P/N 805 (priced by package of 12,
$1.79/package)
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Bowser Rivet Set: P/N (not available)
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Mantua Eccentric Crank: P/N 8458 (price not available)
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Mantua Rivet: P/N (not available)
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Hob-Bits #1 flat washer: P/N (not available)
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Hob-Bits #0 hex head driver: P/N (not available)
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Repair/Modification procedure, repeat for each side:
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1) separate the eccentric crank, crankpin and spacer; you will be re-using the
spacer only; separate the eccentric crank and the eccentric rod; rivet Mantua
or Bowser eccentric crank to Bachmann eccentric rod using Mantua or Bowser
rivet,
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2) drill and tap the (tapered) crankpin hole 0-80 all the way through the main
driver; use obvious caution about lubrication, chip removal, et cetera; I
usually remove the tap, blow it and the bore off and re-lubricate it several
times,
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3) clean all parts,
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4) install front siderod,
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5) install rear siderod,
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6) install Bachmann eccentric crank spacer,
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7) install mainrod,
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8) install #1 flat washer,
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9) install Mantua or Bowser eccentric crank with eccentric rod already
installed,
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10) install the 0-80 hex head machine screw,
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11) adjust eccentric crank for proper angle (use your judgment ... a zero angle
gives the least mechanism wear, but the least prototypical "look"; 15-degrees
is somewhat "standard"),
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12) tighten the hex screw.
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That's it.
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I have successfully used this procedure to repair several Bachmann steamers
(all were 4-8-4s) with mangled eccentric crankpins, and I now use this
procedure on all new Bachmann steamers even if the crankpin isn't mangled ...
because it eventually will be anyway!
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Best of luck,
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Peter.

 
 
 

S.P. DAYLIGHT #4449 (S.P. 4-8-4 GS-4)

Post by Edward A. Oate » Sat, 25 Dec 1999 04:00:00


FYI: The Daylight 4-8-4 from Bachmann Plus is available in two road numbers:
4449 and 4446. I have never seen the prototype 4446 referenced or pictured in
any literature or books. Anyone know anything about the 4446? We all know about
the 4449 railfair engine and the trip to New Orleans (I even have the video
tape!).

Thanks!

Ed Oates

Quote:


> > I'm new to model railroading and looking for this train. It's the black,
> > yellow and
> > orange S.P. DAYLIGHT #4449 (4-8-4  GS-4). Does anyone know if it has ever
> > been made and, if so, which company makes it?

> You'll never find it if you are looking for black, yellow and orange.
> It is black,
> red and orange.  Fred has given you the makers.

> ernie fisch

--
Edweirdo
"I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter."

!!! Remove the adventurous magic word from the
!!! reply to address to send me mail. Sigh...

 
 
 

S.P. DAYLIGHT #4449 (S.P. 4-8-4 GS-4)

Post by John10 » Sun, 26 Dec 1999 04:00:00


The number 4446 is a legitimate number for a GS-4.  Same as all the rest of the
series, with 4458 and 4459 the roller-bearing equipped, but otherwise identical
GS-5 class.
Quote:
>The Daylight 4-8-4 from Bachmann Plus is available in two road numbers:
>4449 and 4446. I have never seen the prototype 4446 referenced or pictured in
>any literature or books. Anyone know anything about the 4446?