HO NS U23B HH

HO NS U23B HH

Post by Bruce Z. Friedma » Tue, 24 Mar 1998 04:00:00



Well, I want to model a HO NS U23B highhood. They came through
Wilmington, Delaware on CSX often. So which  Atlas Undec do I order for
the correct type of trucks? I know the undec's come in 2 versions, based
on different trucks.  Ideas on the highhood kit? I know there's a  new
company that makes thinwall cabs for GE engines. Do they make a highhood
kit too? Any input would help.

Bruce Z. Friedman

 
 
 

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Post by Andy Harm » Wed, 25 Mar 1998 04:00:00


On Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:37:12 -0500, "Bruce Z. Friedman"

Quote:

>Well, I want to model a HO NS U23B highhood. They came through
>Wilmington, Delaware on CSX often. So which  Atlas Undec do I order for
>the correct type of trucks? I know the undec's come in 2 versions, based
>on different trucks.  Ideas on the highhood kit? I know there's a  new
>company that makes thinwall cabs for GE engines. Do they make a highhood
>kit too? Any input would help.

NS (Southern) had a total of 70 U23B's.  Apparently two of them, 3940
and 3967 did not make it to the NS as they are not listed in the
Withers book.  All of course were high nose.  3900-3934 had AAR B
trucks, 3935-3969 had FB2 trucks, so you can model either or both with
the appropriate Atlas model.

NS also had 54 B23-7's, numbered where the U23B's left off at
3970-4023.  All had FB2 trucks, Dash 7 type 1 high noses.  Type 2,
with inverted number boards, was used only on B30-7A's, both the NS
and the BN cabless units.

Hi-Tech Details will be releasing both the U-boat high nose and the
Type 1 dash 7 high nose kit shortly.  He may also do the type 2, if
there is demand for it.  The Smokey Valley GE nose is a type 2, and
was made in conjunction with their BN B30-7A conversion kit (for RPP
B23-7) but up to now it has been the only GE high nose available...
therefore you'll see it standing in for a type 1 and even a U-boat
nose on many models it's not correct for.  Let me know if any of you
would like to see the type 2 hi-nose available from Hi-Tech.  The SV
kit is a bit on the crude side, and for my own selfish ends I'd like
to see Jim do all three, but it may not be a markettable product
without the demand since it is appropriate for so few units, and there
is already a kit for it out there.

If modeling a U23B in the NS era, you will want the Hi-Tech cab kit
with the oval window blanks on the sides, and the hi-nose version
which comes with two open walls instead of a front windshield.  There
are a total of 9 different HTD cabs, so look carefully!  There is the
4-window sidewall, the 2-window sidewall, and the 2 window with
blanked out extra windows, and each is available with pre-1972
headlight, post-1972 headlight, or a high-nose version.  While the
Atlas U23B has a nice cab, the HTD is nicer and with the right kit you
can correctly represent the blanked windows. I'm not sure when the
extra windows were removed, but all of the Withers photos in NS paint
have them blanked out.

The Atlas U23B will be equal to, or better than, their C30-7.  No ugly
copper plates showing through the truck sideframes, and it should run
more on par with the Kato cloned GP7's, than with the whiplash of the
C-boat drives.  And it will be here soon.  The only thing I'm not sure
of is the radiator grille arrangement - the first batch of NS units
(the ones with AAR trucks) have the forward square vent in the high
position, the second batch (with FB2 trucks) have it in the low
position.  I'm not sure which position Atlas's shell represents, or if
the other louvers will match... but if you care about this and don't
want to whack it, it may affect which variation you choose to model.

Andy
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Post by MHintz11 » Wed, 25 Mar 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
>I know there's a  new
>company that makes thinwall cabs for GE engines. Do they make a highhood
>kit too?

If they don't yet, they are planning one for release soon...

Otherwise, Smokey Valley (I think) makes one, too.

Marty

 
 
 

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Post by Bruce Z. Friedma » Wed, 25 Mar 1998 04:00:00


I looked in Withers NS book after posting, it stated that the original
Southern U23B's came with recycled RS-3 trucks, then later FB trucks. I
answered my own question!

Atlas part #'s  for undec HO U23B's

8650 - undec - AAR Type B     Truck
8651 - undec - Blomberg/FB-2  Truck

Bruce Z. Friedman

Quote:

> >I know there's a  new
> >company that makes thinwall cabs for GE engines. Do they make a highhood
> >kit too?

> If they don't yet, they are planning one for release soon...

> Otherwise, Smokey Valley (I think) makes one, too.

> Marty

 
 
 

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Post by Andy Harm » Wed, 25 Mar 1998 04:00:00



Quote:
>Otherwise, Smokey Valley (I think) makes one, too.

Yes, but it's not correct for the U23B.  HTD's will be worth waiting
for.

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Post by Tom Daspi » Wed, 25 Mar 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

> Well, I want to model a HO NS U23B highhood. They came through
> Wilmington, Delaware on CSX often. So which  Atlas Undec do I order for
> the correct type of trucks? I know the undec's come in 2 versions, based
> on different trucks.  Ideas on the highhood kit? I know there's a  new
> company that makes thinwall cabs for GE engines. Do they make a highhood
> kit too? Any input would help.

> Bruce Z. Friedman

In the January 95 issue of Mainline Modeler, Chris Toth has an article
on building a Southern B-23-7 using the Smokey Valley hood kit and a
Rail Power Products body.  

Good article, mine is waiting to be painted, and I learned that this
high hood kit is not accurate for the Southern units as stated in other
posts. I will finish this model, and also do one with the High Tech hood
kit when it is available.

This article plus many others on modeling the Southern, and Southern in
general can be found on my web site.  http://www.garlic.com/~tomd

Tom Daspit

 
 
 

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Post by Andy Harm » Thu, 26 Mar 1998 04:00:00


On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:50:48 GMT, "Matthew J. Frahm"

Quote:

>I would.  That is, provided Atlas does a B23-7 or B30-7A.  I'd like to
>build a couple of BN toasters.

I don't know if we can expect those locos from Atlas or not. They
clearly have a platform for doing many U-boats, and they are common
enough in design that a lot of diework can be re-used (as with the 6
Athearn U-boats).  But I wouldn't hold my breath for a B23 any time
soon, I'd look for perhaps a B30-7, U28B, or U30C but I could be
wrong... no inside knowledge at this point as to what's up next.  But
the RPP B23-7 is arguably Dana's worst shell, aside from the usual
problems such as heavy flash/bad alignment of the whole back end, the
shell itself is 2 feet too long and virtually no way to fix it.  I'm
going to be taking a serious look at combining parts of the C30-7 and
the U23B to make a B23 (and B30-7A) once I get my hands on the first
production units.  As to Jimmy doing the B30-7A noses... never know,
he may do 'em anyway even if only 10 people buy 'em, if he wants some
for himself <g>.

Andy

Quote:

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>Dakota, Minnesota & Eastern Railroad editor, CTC Board Magazine
>MP 0.0, DM&E's Waseca Subdivision  MP 308.6, CP's River Subdivision

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Post by Andy Harm » Thu, 26 Mar 1998 04:00:00


On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:05:51 -0500, "Bruce Z. Friedman"

Quote:

>8650 - undec - AAR Type B     Truck
>8651 - undec - Blomberg/FB-2  Truck

How can there be only one part number for the Blomberg and FB2 truck?
Something is amiss here, I understood it would be made with all three
different truck types.  Don't know of any railroad that ordered 'em
with one of each <g>.  Pauuuull... where are you?? What's up with
'dis??

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Post by Bruce Z. Friedma » Thu, 26 Mar 1998 04:00:00


Information was taken directly from the brochure. I  wasn't insinuating that the unit comes
with 1 of each truck(come on now), probably have 2 sets of snap on sideframes. From the
brochure,  the units will ship with the following trucks -

ATSF - AAR Type B truck
Conrail - Same
D&H - Same
LV - Same
MKT - Same
C&O - Blomberg
L&N - FB-2
Milw. RD - FB-2
UP - FB-2
WP -  Blomberg

Plus the undec's I stated earlier.

Bruce Z. Friedman

Quote:

> On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:05:51 -0500, "Bruce Z. Friedman"

> >8650 - undec - AAR Type B     Truck
> >8651 - undec - Blomberg/FB-2  Truck

> How can there be only one part number for the Blomberg and FB2 truck?
> Something is amiss here, I understood it would be made with all three
> different truck types.  Don't know of any railroad that ordered 'em
> with one of each <g>.  Pauuuull... where are you?? What's up with
> 'dis??

> Andy

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Post by Paul Gra » Thu, 26 Mar 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

> On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:05:51 -0500, "Bruce Z. Friedman"

> >8650 - undec - AAR Type B     Truck
> >8651 - undec - Blomberg/FB-2  Truck

> How can there be only one part number for the Blomberg and FB2 truck?
> Something is amiss here, I understood it would be made with all three
> different truck types.  Don't know of any railroad that ordered 'em
> with one of each <g>.  Pauuuull... where are you?? What's up with
> 'dis??

The wheel base for the FB-2 truck and the Blomberg truck are the same,
so the #8651 Undecorated will come with the FB-2 truck installed on the
model, and a set of Blomberg frames in the box.

Paul Graf
Atlas Model Railroad Co

 
 
 

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Post by Kevin Jon » Thu, 26 Mar 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

>> On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:05:51 -0500, "Bruce Z. Friedman"

>>>8650 - undec - AAR Type B     Truck
>>>8651 - undec - Blomberg/FB-2  Truck

>> How can there be only one part number for the Blomberg and FB2 truck?
>> Something is amiss here, I understood it would be made with all three
>> different truck types.  Don't know of any railroad that ordered 'em
>> with one of each <g>.  Pauuuull... where are you?? What's up with
>> 'dis??

>Maybe they include both sets?  If so, why not all 3 sets?

I belive the Center to Center Axel spacing on the AAR Type B is different
from the FB-2. Therfore the gearboxes for the trucks may be different.
However, the only road I know of that used the EMD blombergs under
their GE B Boats was SCL to FL to SBD to CSX. So that would be 4
pait schemes that would use the Blomberg. However, Atlas' initial
painted offerings do not include any of thoes schemes.

Kevin Jones
Louisville, KY  

 
 
 

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Post by Andy Harm » Thu, 26 Mar 1998 04:00:00




Quote:
>The wheel base for the FB-2 truck and the Blomberg truck are the same,
>so the #8651 Undecorated will come with the FB-2 truck installed on the
>model, and a set of Blomberg frames in the box.

Cool.

And you're doing both wheelbases correctly?

Double Cool.

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a cigah...

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Post by John Sherida » Thu, 26 Mar 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

> I belive the Center to Center Axel spacing on the AAR Type B is different
> from the FB-2. Therfore the gearboxes for the trucks may be different.
> However, the only road I know of that used the EMD blombergs under
> their GE B Boats was SCL to FL to SBD to CSX. So that would be 4
> pait schemes that would use the Blomberg. However, Atlas' initial
> painted offerings do not include any of thoes schemes.

FYI, The Providence & Worcester's only B23-7 has Blomberg B trucks.

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Post by Tim McClenaha » Thu, 26 Mar 1998 04:00:00


Not sure, The early MP U23Bs used trade-in trucks from the Alcos (AAR?),
later 'boats came with the FB2 trucks.  A couple of U23Bs were rebuilt with
EMD Spartan cabs:

http://www.trainpix.com/mopac/ge/U23B/MP4528.HTML

In Joe Collias' book there is a shot of 4506, AAR trucks (like the U25Bs)
and a Spartan cab.  I modeled it from a U30C, just don't count the steps!

Tim

Quote:

>Didn't the MP have B23s or U23Bs with Blombergs?

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Post by Jerrygl » Fri, 27 Mar 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
>Didn't the MP have B23s or U23Bs with Blombergs?  <BR>

MP's first order of U23's had AAR trucks: subsequent orders and ALL B23's had
FB2 trucks